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Shoele Lialos
Gallente MCB Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:10:00 -
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There's a not overly long thread on fitting a Helios in the stickies, but nothing on the Cheetah.
Is it viable to fit a Scan Probe Launcher on the Cheetah along with the CO Cloak, or will that gimp the rest of the fittings?
I had in mind a CO Cloak, Scan Probe, some ECM, AB or MWD, and some Nanofibers to get the speed up.
Anyone have any good suggestions?
I've got CO trained to IV at this point, but feel free to assume CO V as it will be moving on up there soon enough.
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Sincere MarkXIII
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:11:00 -
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Covops cloack , probe launcher
meds : waheteva you can still fit.
lows : 2x local hull nanofiber, copro
fits with covops V....
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Hoshi
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:21:00 -
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Personaly I think that if you are not going to use 3x nanofiber you are not using the ship to it's full power and are better of with another covert like the buzzard.
Yes the ship is a ***** to fit, you probably have to offline any ecm you have on it to online the probe launcher. But better that than to waste it's potential.
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Sincere MarkXIII
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:24:00 -
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I use that ship as a SS buster + fleet intel. it's the most efficient due to its alignment speed + velocity.
i don't use it as a ganking machine or solopwnmobile, I have other ships for that. Go ahead, be though fit ECM + tackling, and pop virtually instantly to light t2 drones
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Hoshi
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:56:00 -
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Seems we are in agreement :) I wrote my post when you still had a co-pro in one of the lows but by the time it was posted you had edited it to 3 nanos.
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Sincere MarkXIII
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Posted - 2006.09.28 23:36:00 -
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Yeah, I did it by memory as i've been flying more recons recently; but i had a setup with some mids in for some specific purpose that did need a copro....
When i realized that for just the old fleet setup i didn't need i, my post turned into the mess of edits you saw.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.09.28 23:39:00 -
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You cannot fit a probe launcher a COCD unless you have Cov Ops 5... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Lord Violent
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Posted - 2006.09.28 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu You cannot fit a probe launcher a COCD unless you have Cov Ops 5...
You can fit a COCD and probe launcher and still have some CPU left for your imagination to play with by using 3 co-pro 2's at cov ops level 4.
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Linium
Without Reason FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.05 21:24:00 -
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Covert Cloak, 125t2 ac, Recon Launcher. Ab t2, 20km Scram, 2 x Phased Muon Dampners 3x Local Nanofibres
2 x Speed Rigs
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Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.02.05 22:47:00 -
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Going to the opposite extreme, it's also the best covert ops frig for hauling large quantities of t2 modules around ------
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Venkhar Krard
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Posted - 2007.02.06 22:22:00 -
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Covert ops cloak, recon launcher 1mn mwd, nothing, nothing, some offline stuff 3x locall hull/domination nano
Fits with cov ops lvl 4.
The mwd is VERY nice for leaving large camped bubbles, creating tactical bookmarks in empty systems and draining cap for scanning.
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Mark Weston
Caldari The Graduates Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Venkhar Krard
The mwd is VERY nice for leaving large camped bubbles, creating tactical bookmarks in empty systems and draining cap for scanning.
Could you explain the "draining cap for scanning" comment please?
Also, could anyone explain why you'd be fitting local hull nanos as opposed to, say, Mark 1 SS nanos? I'm all for the expensive kit when it makes a difference, but is 4 m/s really worth the 7.5 mil ISK per module difference (at Jita prices)?
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Mark Weston
Caldari The Graduates Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Venkhar Krard
The mwd is VERY nice for leaving large camped bubbles, creating tactical bookmarks in empty systems and draining cap for scanning.
Could you explain the "draining cap for scanning" comment please?
Also, could anyone explain why you'd be fitting local hull nanos as opposed to, say, Mark 1 SS nanos? I'm all for the expensive kit when it makes a difference, but is 4 m/s really worth the 7.5 mil ISK per module difference (at Jita prices)?
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Sonorra Baki
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Weston
Also, could anyone explain why you'd be fitting local hull nanos as opposed to, say, Mark 1 SS nanos? I'm all for the expensive kit when it makes a difference, but is 4 m/s really worth the 7.5 mil ISK per module difference (at Jita prices)?
If you use that reasonning for every module you have fitted, you end up slow, with a weak tank and poor damage, with bad skills.
Generally one should persue max performance in every niche of a setup. But since the majority of pilots dont have a wallet to support that, its important to know where those last isk or that 30 days extra training make or break a setup.
You will never prevail through mediocracy.
Local hull nanoes x 3 instead of vanilla nanoes, would net you 12m/s before skills. This could be the speed that allowed you to exit a dictor bubble before ceptors decloak you, or reach the enemy snipers before they warp out.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 17/02/2007 11:27:49 I even use t2 nanos on my cheetah, only about 13 mil atm in jita.
The point here is that cov ops are - unless you make a dumb error like warping into a POS field or in an bubble via the main route and bumb into wrecks - very high survivability ships. So investements you make into them have a very long life.
It depends on your financial situation of cource, if you constantly hover below 100 mil you're more likely to save money than if you have 1 bil+.
Originally by: Mark Weston Could you explain the "draining cap for scanning" comment please?
Cov ops warp very fast (14 au/sec max warp speed). If you know a target is safespotted around *here* it can be difficult to make good bookmarks for scanning since you "overshot" it easily. Another use is scouting for camps at far away gates. Since running into a bubblecamp can have problematic results for a cov ops you won't want to run without taking a look first. By draining your cap you can warp to the gate in baby steps till you are within scanning range.
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Minas Reul
Dark Horizons
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:13:00 -
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I'm going to get a cheetah for my alt soon to use as a scout/prober, and I'm wondering what the best rig combo would be: Tech II scan time reduction rig + speed rig, or two tech I scan time reduction rigs?
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Yseult Atreus
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Minas Reul I'm going to get a cheetah for my alt soon to use as a scout/prober, and I'm wondering what the best rig combo would be: Tech II scan time reduction rig + speed rig, or two tech I scan time reduction rigs?
Probably speed rigs. You can use Cov Ops v and signal aquisition to get yr probe time down. Or ofc, get two cheetahs and rig one for ship speed and the other for scan speed.
Or.
Rig for scan speed and stick some Snakes in!
There y'go.
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Barasu
Minmatar E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.26 03:53:00 -
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With the recent changes what is best for the cheetah? My favorite TV show is The Red Green Show. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected]) |
Sexorella hotz
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2007.03.26 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Barasu With the recent changes what is best for the cheetah?
Pretty much same as above except maybe just a mix of overdrive, intertia, nano in the lows, or straight overdrives for high speed, as the speed of the cheetah is its most redeeming quality.
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:52:00 -
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I have spent all day trying to fit my Covet-ops... And I DID IT!
I am less than a week off Covert-ops 4, and 2hrs off Energy Grid Upgrades, of course I will likely change what I have by then, but I think what I have now, with just those two skills at leave 4 is pretty damn good.
I use the Covet-ops for Probing and Scouting, nothing more. So here it is:
I have fitted High Covert-ops Covert Cloak II Recon Probe Launcher -Empty-
Medium 1MN Afterburner 2x Small Capacitor Battery II -Empty-
Lows Micro Auxiliary Power Core Reactor Control Unit I Dread Guristas Co-Processor
That gives me 396|397.03 CPU, and 34|34.38 PG (Squeezed it on!)
The reason for the Cap Batteries ofcourse is those damn long systems. I needed two small to manage anything over 155AU.
I have two Gravity Capacitor Upgrade Rigs (The scan time reduction ones) - Since that time is the most important to me.
When I get Cov-Ops 5, I will aim to fit a Ship Scanner and a Salvager, or, Remove the Co-Pro, fit a Micro 'Vigor' and then some Overdrives.
Like others have mentioned, spending some isk on it normally isn't a bad idea. I nearly bought a Named Covet-ops; but seeing as in 10d or so I can have Covet-Ops 5, there isn't much point.
Was a hella challenge to fit - and quite fun to be honest.
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Ilea Celentay
Exiled.
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:19:00 -
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After loosing my Cov-ops by a suicider in Jita, I refitted it, better... Since I had Cov-ops level 5 now...
I have fitted High Covert-ops Covert Cloak II Recon Probe Launcher Salvager
Medium 1MN Afterburner II 2x Small Capacitor Battery II Rudimentary Ship Scanner
Lows Micro B88 Core Augmentation Reactor Control Unit II Co-Processor II
That gives me 374|378 CPU, and 37|37.38 PG (Squeezed it on some more!)
Think this will be my perminant fit, with 2 Probe related Rigs ofcourse. Don't think it would be any better as a Scout/Recon ship with anything more or less.
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SelanirO
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Posted - 2007.06.24 23:47:00 -
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Hello,
I am mostly interested in 0.0 exploration. And I thought of this setup for probing:
------------------------------------------ PG: 18|18.75 / CPU: 255|343.75 CPU
Highs:
Cov Ops Cloaking II Scan Probe Launcher I Salvager I (Offline)
Meds:
Catalyzed Cold Arcjet Thrusters (2 less pg use than MWD II) Cap Recharger II Analyzer I (Offline) Code Breaker I (Offline)
Lows:
Nanofiber Internal Structure II Inertia Stabilizers II Overdrive Injection System II
Rigs:
Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I x 2
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This would allow me to both probe and loot in the cov ops offlining the probe launcher and turning the appropriate module on. I think is safer, aspecially if hostiles turn up in the system.
I've considered fitting only overdrives in lows, However this would give me too little cargo space to carry enough probes and traveling back and forth to restock isn't much fun.
I've considered replacing the nanofiber with a PDU. This would allow me to fit MWD II but than I wouldn't be able to fit the cap recharger.
Any tips or comments more than welcome!
SelanirO
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Academy Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.25 03:40:00 -
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Cheetah:
1xCovops Cloak 1xRecon/Scan probe launcher 1xAB T2 2xLow Frequency Sensor Damps 1xwhatever 1xcopro T2 1xBest named or T2 OD 1xBest i-stab or nano 2xGravity Capacitor rigs
The damps are for gang emergency use. Train Signal Supression (advanced sensor damps) for best results and safety. Very fast (in excess of 550 m/s cloaked)...and can go faster with slightly different lows. Requires AWU3 CO4 and very good fitting support skills.
I don't carry a point to ensure I resist stupid temptation to tackle
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Ilea Celentay
Exiled.
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Posted - 2007.06.25 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: SelanirO Hello, ------------------------------------------ PG: 18|18.75 / CPU: 255|343.75 CPU
Highs: Cov Ops Cloaking II Scan Probe Launcher I Salvager I (Offline)
Meds: Catalyzed Cold Arcjet Thrusters (2 less pg use than MWD II) Cap Recharger II Analyzer I (Offline) Code Breaker I (Offline)
Lows: Nanofiber Internal Structure II Inertia Stabilizers II Overdrive Injection System II
Rigs: Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I x 2
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If you swapped the I-stab; that for a Cheetah I believe is not really that important, and replaced it with a Reactor Control II, you would be able to online all your other modules.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.25 11:47:00 -
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Does anyone know a decent setup with a cyno generator aswell? Assuming cov op 5. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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SelanirO
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Posted - 2007.06.27 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: SelanirO on 27/06/2007 18:23:20
Originally by: Ilea Celentay
Originally by: SelanirO Hello, ------------------------------------------ PG: 18|18.75 / CPU: 255|343.75 CPU
Highs: Cov Ops Cloaking II Scan Probe Launcher I Salvager I (Offline)
Meds: Catalyzed Cold Arcjet Thrusters (2 less pg use than MWD II) Cap Recharger II Analyzer I (Offline) Code Breaker I (Offline)
Lows: Nanofiber Internal Structure II Inertia Stabilizers II Overdrive Injection System II
Rigs: Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I x 2
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If you swapped the I-stab; that for a Cheetah I believe is not really that important, and replaced it with a Reactor Control II, you would be able to online all your other modules.
In that case I think I would be better off with a named micro auxiliary powercore. Give more powergrid than the Reactor Control.
On the side notice, what is indeed more important aside from overdrives? Nano or istabs?
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SelanirO
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Posted - 2007.06.27 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: SelanirO on 27/06/2007 23:07:36 After Some consideration, I've decided to strip all exploration related modules aside from the probe launcher. Here is what I came up with. This fit requires lots of skills. But I am trying to compile something to work for. Any comments are much appreciated
------------------------------------------ PG: 36.25|37.125 / CPU: 342|343.75 CPU
Highs: Cov Ops Cloaking II Scan Probe Launcher I <Empty>
Meds: Gistii A-Type MWD 'Crucible' Small Capacitor Battery I Micro Capacitor Battery II Small Shield Extender II
Lows: Micro 'Vigor' I Core Augmentation Overdrive Injection System II Overdrive Injection System II
Rigs: Gravity Capacitor Upgrade II x 1 Ancillary Current Router I x 1
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This gives me roughly 3.3km/s with mwd that I can run indefinitely (all according to Quickfit)
As you can see I decided to go for speed and dropped the nano. I wonder how viable this setup makes it to be able to escape after jumping into a bubble :)
In other words, whether it's not stupid to make it all this expensive.
I also added batteries to handle those long warps. And the choice for rigs is obviously cause the 5% difference scanning time with 2 x t1 gravity capacitors is only a couple of seconds. While it allows for more powergrid to be added.
SelanirO
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Marco P
Really Nice And Laidback Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.19 10:30:00 -
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Just wondering why noone fits wcs in the lows?
Especially for exploration in 0.0. It just saves you from that insta-lock inty, and as you never need to lock anything, there is no penalty. Whilst the speed is nice, it isn't really necessary - and wont save you against that inty.
Thoughts?
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Bluestealth
Minmatar BlueLabs
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Posted - 2007.07.19 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Marco P Just wondering why noone fits wcs in the lows?
Especially for exploration in 0.0. It just saves you from that insta-lock inty, and as you never need to lock anything, there is no penalty. Whilst the speed is nice, it isn't really necessary - and wont save you against that inty.
Thoughts?
If you have to worry about an inty locking you, your not a very good covert ops pilot
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.19 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Marco P Just wondering why noone fits wcs in the lows?
Especially for exploration in 0.0. It just saves you from that insta-lock inty, and as you never need to lock anything, there is no penalty. Whilst the speed is nice, it isn't really necessary - and wont save you against that inty.
Thoughts?
I'm going to pretend I didn't read this .
Hi Mal and the rest of the Llamas
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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