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Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
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Posted - 2015.02.04 13:29:17 -
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Why Hello
So i trained up two of my characters to fly Black OPs battleships so i could run sites in nullsec and also help with ganking.
My alt lights a covert cyno and the Black Ops jump in
The problem i have found is that 4 max jumps into deep nullsec and im down to less than half of my fuel.
Question
I thought that i would be jumping all over nullsec but ive realised that im pretty limited in what i can do because of fuel considerations.
1. Is there anyway around this limitations or do i have to have a secondary character in a cloaky hauler carrying fuel for me.
Also
I trained for 5 months just to find this out now
Thanks for the help
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ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.02.04 13:32:44 -
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There are so many things wrong here im not sure if troll lol
No Worries
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Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
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Posted - 2015.02.04 14:04:39 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:There are so many things wrong here im not sure if troll lol
Please tell me where i went wrong.
Also no troll |
Janna Windforce
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.04 14:34:50 -
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Let's get this straight: Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers. Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands. Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).
Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).
Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.
If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot. |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.02.04 19:00:46 -
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Janna Windforce wrote:Let's get this straight: Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers. Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands. Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).
Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).
Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.
If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot.
Earlier in 2014 I did use a Sin for PVE missions in null. It ran sites faster than a T3 and cost less than a blinged up T3 that you need in order to get high DPS.
Not getting caught was easy as you would just warp to a safe and cloak whenever anything came near on dscan.
Now, however, it is stupid to try this. With Lachesis immune to d-scan you will never know one is coming until it is already within boosted faction point range.
So dock up your Black Ops BS until you have a gang you need to cyno through to somewhere.
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Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
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Posted - 2015.02.04 19:54:52 -
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Degnar Oskold wrote:Janna Windforce wrote:Let's get this straight: Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers. Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands. Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).
Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).
Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.
If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot. Earlier in 2014 I did use a Sin for PVE missions in null. It ran sites faster than a T3 and cost less than a blinged up T3 that you need in order to get high DPS. Not getting caught was easy as you would just warp to a safe and cloak whenever anything came near on dscan. Now, however, it is stupid to try this. With Lachesis immune to d-scan you will never know one is coming until it is already within boosted faction point range. So dock up your Black Ops BS until you have a gang you need to cyno through to somewhere.
I know that this is all true but i much assume that scanner probes will still appear on D-scan
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Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.02.04 20:07:36 -
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Jonathan De'Winter wrote:Degnar Oskold wrote:Janna Windforce wrote:Let's get this straight: Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers. Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands. Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).
Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).
Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.
If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot. Earlier in 2014 I did use a Sin for PVE missions in null. It ran sites faster than a T3 and cost less than a blinged up T3 that you need in order to get high DPS. Not getting caught was easy as you would just warp to a safe and cloak whenever anything came near on dscan. Now, however, it is stupid to try this. With Lachesis immune to d-scan you will never know one is coming until it is already within boosted faction point range. So dock up your Black Ops BS until you have a gang you need to cyno through to somewhere. I know that this is all true but i much assume that scanner probes will still appear on D-scan
What if someone had previously probed the site and was waiting for someone to come run it? |
Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
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Posted - 2015.02.04 20:13:53 -
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yes ofc i forgot that the EVE denizens can be ****** like that.
scan down a site and then spent hours picking off anyone trying to enter it |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.02.04 20:43:30 -
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Jonathan De'Winter wrote:yes ofc i forgot that the EVE denizens can be ****** like that.
scan down a site and then spent hours picking off anyone trying to enter it
It's not just that. Someone comes into your system, realises that you are trying to run a site, tries to probe you and you run.
They then go to all surrounding systems and probe down the combat sites in those, for when you move on.
They use an alt to figure out which system you move on to.
Between d-scan and their pre-scanned list, they instantly realised where you are and bring in their faction-point boosted lachesis within 70 km of you and point you.
You are clever, you have your MJD. You activate.
But they are burning in towards you, their snake set and skirmish boosts and nanofibres giving incredible speed. Now they have you scrammed just before your MJD kicks in.
Then their gang enters system..... |
Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
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Posted - 2015.02.04 20:57:51 -
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Degnar Oskold wrote:Jonathan De'Winter wrote:yes ofc i forgot that the EVE denizens can be ****** like that.
scan down a site and then spent hours picking off anyone trying to enter it It's not just that. Someone comes into your system, realises that you are trying to run a site, tries to probe you and you run. They then go to all surrounding systems and probe down the combat sites in those, for when you move on. They use an alt to figure out which system you move on to. Between d-scan and their pre-scanned list, they instantly realised where you are and bring in their faction-point boosted lachesis within 70 km of you and point you. You are clever, you have your MJD. You activate. But they are burning in towards you, their snake set and skirmish boosts and nanofibres giving incredible speed. Now they have you scrammed just before your MJD kicks in. Then their gang enters system.....
A further question is this... Can a black op jump to a cyno if it has been pointed? |
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Torothin
TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
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Posted - 2015.02.04 21:19:03 -
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Have you ever thought about basing out of or parking in npc 0.0 stations and then run your black ops from there once you find sites? |
Torothin
TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
263
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Posted - 2015.02.04 21:21:43 -
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Janna Windforce wrote:Let's get this straight: Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers. Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands. Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).
Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).
Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.
If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot.
Incorrect kind sir. Recons, T3, and Bombers do not have jump drive capability. Therefore, you are not able to jump to targets solo like a black ops can. you need a bridger. you are also wrong about running sites. Dual sins work perfectly and as long as you're not an idiot. you will see probes in local longer before you're sniffed out.
My advice to you: learn in game mechanics before attempting to provide advice because you're wrong on so many levels. |
Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
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Posted - 2015.02.04 21:29:11 -
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Torothin wrote:Janna Windforce wrote:Let's get this straight: Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers. Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands. Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).
Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).
Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.
If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot. Incorrect kind sir. Recons, T3, and Bombers do not have jump drive capability. Therefore, you are not able to jump to targets solo like a black ops can. you need a bridger. you are also wrong about running sites. Dual sins work perfectly and as long as you're not an idiot. you will see probes in local longer before you're sniffed out. My advice to you: learn in game mechanics before attempting to provide advice because you're wrong on so many levels.
I can agree with this. Ive run angel and guristia 8/10 and 10/10 on sisi with dual sins. It took a while to work out the correct fit but once you know how its pretty easy to do. Its just finding these things plus the added problems of A the local Denizens and B the cost of fuel per jump.
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Janna Windforce
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.06 09:18:28 -
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Torothin wrote:Janna Windforce wrote:Let's get this straight: Black Ops = TAXI, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. Anything you can accomplish with Black Ops (which is T2 battleship without T2 resists, with idiotic cloak (bonus) with all the penalties) you can accomplish with T3 or Recons or Bombers. Yes there are lads having fun in blops small gangs, but above still stands. Considering the price of the hulls/fits, you certainly don't want to run sites in it and risk getting caught (you need fuel AND cap to jump).
Even when doing taxi service, you'll need to refuel usually after 1 op (bridge friends - jump - bridge back - jump).
Sad to break OP's dream, but Vic Lacuna's times are in far future, if ever.
If your goal is to "ninja" run nullsec sites, I'd recommend you training into T3, travelling in covert/nullification configuration and switch to combat subsystems via Mobile Depot. Incorrect kind sir. Recons, T3, and Bombers do not have jump drive capability. Therefore, you are not able to jump to targets solo like a black ops can. you need a bridger. you are also wrong about running sites. Dual sins work perfectly and as long as you're not an idiot. you will see probes in local longer before you're sniffed out. My advice to you: learn in game mechanics before attempting to provide advice because you're wrong on so many levels.
Ehm, ofc you need bridger... and dual Sins is what then? You can use one Sin and T3, you need cyno anyway. So "solo" for you means you + your alts? Incorrect assumption, sir. |
Mr Morimoto
Solar Sails
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Posted - 2015.02.07 14:22:15 -
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A Simple Solution to a simple problem - fuel truck alt with a covert cyno, such as the Viator |
Gal Udan
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.09 10:39:25 -
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I wouldn't be too terrible disappointed just yet. Blops have always been in a strange place. CCP knows this, and I believe once they turn their gaze to Blops they will be made to become viable for being more than just a taxi for cloaked hot drops. They've even stated the idea of breaking them into two different groups, support/attack, at some point to try to make one type do bridges, and one do dmg. Not sure where they stand on that now as it was said about 2 years ago.
Even in their current state they are used to pretty high effect by people who think outside of the box.
Edit: For running sites in null..... just join a sov holding alliance/coalition. Your life will be much better off than trying to jump everywhere in a 1b+ ship that will die to just about everything solo. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:44:22 -
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Buddy of mine used to run dual Sin's in nullsec anom's. Just jump around until you find a quiet system and start ratting. Of course you are looking at 3x accounts base, he had 4x accounts and one of them was a covert hauler fuel truck.
If you have 4x accounts with that many SP just join a nullsec coalition and use 4x ishtars lol
Not today spaghetti.
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Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
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Posted - 2015.02.10 19:51:20 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Buddy of mine used to run dual Sin's in nullsec anom's. Just jump around until you find a quiet system and start ratting. Of course you are looking at 3x accounts base, he had 4x accounts and one of them was a covert hauler fuel truck.
If you have 4x accounts with that many SP just join a nullsec coalition and use 4x ishtars lol
thanks for the info.
I run two sins and have them jump to a covert cyno. But to get to the real outer reaches of nullsec requires a fuel back up. You are completely right if i have to train up a 4th character i may as well join a nullsec alliance and use all 4 for dps |
Antillie Sa'Kan
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
907
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Posted - 2015.02.10 22:14:36 -
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Jonathan De'Winter wrote:A further question is this... Can a black op jump to a cyno if it has been pointed? Nope. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
1366
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Posted - 2015.02.11 19:46:25 -
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Two things:
1. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but these are all questions you likely should have asked before spending the time and ISK to train for and purchase these expensive ships. Welcome to EvE.
2. Train your cyno alt to fly a Blockade Runner and have them haul extra fuel. That's really all you can do aside from taking a few gates here and there.
I trained for BlOps as a side effect of having trained capital ships back when you needed BS V to train them. I have yet to use one and in their current state I doubt I ever would. They have their uses (albeit limited uses), it's just that none of them dovetail with how I play.
My Many Misadventures
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I seek to create content, not become content.
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Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
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Posted - 2015.02.15 03:03:46 -
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So here is how it went
I was about to quit this game as i was so bored of highsec. So i left and went to nullsec and suddenly this game is fantastic.
run some 10/10s and 8/10s and a single 6/10 and its been great.
Was scanned down and a dozen locals jumped in and i got out just in time.
Long and short of it is this. the rewards are fantastic but if you mess up the losses are very very painful.
worst case ive had so far was being scanned down by a dedicated scanner who managed to find me outside of the 14AU range (he told me this later). Some one else warped in and did not show up on D-scan, got into the plex and it was only because i was far enough away that i got out in time.
This game has really opened up to me.
I got around the fuel problems by filling the lows with cargo expanders and filling up on fuel i then make a base in and refit and run the site. Its extra work but it allows me to go deep into nullsec.
Lastly i never much looked at local when i was in highsec but now i never stop looking at it |
Matti Harkonnen
Kyoko-na Sen'yu Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:46:07 -
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are sins the only BOs that can be used for 10/10? |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:58:38 -
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This thread is giving me eye cancer. Carry on! |
Jonathan De'Winter
The Outlet
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Posted - 2015.02.18 20:47:03 -
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Matti Harkonnen wrote:are sins the only BOs that can be used for 10/10?
No the Widow can do them solo . It harder with the Sins as they are static whereas the Widow can keep moving and it has massive range |
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