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Lew Dicrous
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:31:26 -
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Well let's be fair SkyFlyer, not alot of folks would even try doing what you do solo. I saw the Nestor in Vecamia last week and the trail of dead behind it. Why do people even shoot at you again?
It burns when I PVP
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
423
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Posted - 2015.02.15 00:01:57 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:I don't understand why the Bhaalgorn is an Armageddon hull. It's not that I don't like the Armageddon hull, it's just that the Cruor and the Ashimmu both have unique hulls, and I think it would be cool if the Bhaalgorn also had a unique hull.
Same with the Vigilant, Vindicator, Worm, Gila, and Rattlesnake.
Way too many people would ***** to high heaven if art considered changing them now. Look at how people have treated all the other remodels, they whine for the "ishkur's lance", crow and raptor are "too symmetrical", the old moa "was ugly as sin but we liked it that way", etc.
Hell, even I'm just as guilty; when they redid the Golem, I had a hissy fit about the hammerhead look even though without a doubt it looks pretty bad ass (I still feel like the wings need to be redone, though).
Art is doing a fine job with the ships' visual overhauls, but they maybe concerned people would raise too much a stink about "old traditional" is better than "new and improved". |
Orla- King-Griffin
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Posted - 2015.02.15 02:44:35 -
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Lew Dicrous wrote:Well let's be fair SkyFlyer, not alot of folks would even try doing what you do solo. I saw the Nestor in Vecamia last week and the trail of dead behind it. Why do people even shoot at you again? that awkward moment when you forget who your main is .
Ah shite...
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Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
1442
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Posted - 2015.02.15 17:19:06 -
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Lew Dicrous wrote:Well let's be fair SkyFlyer, not alot of folks would even try doing what you do solo. I saw the Nestor in Vecamia last week and the trail of dead behind it. Why do people even shoot at you again? Your name made me chuckle
Skyflyer 4 lyfe
I wear my goggles at night.
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Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
136
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:13:08 -
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Obligatory Bhaals Deep reference
http://youtu.be/lQa7Qy0s9AM
http://youtu.be/-bMa3QZOWuU |
SkyFlyer
DUST Expeditionary Team Good Sax
101
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Posted - 2015.02.16 09:23:42 -
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Lew Dicrous wrote:Well let's be fair SkyFlyer, not alot of folks would even try doing what you do solo. I saw the Nestor in Vecamia last week and the trail of dead behind it. Why do people even shoot at you again?
Because they may win when they shoot at me which in all fairness i dont mind aslong as they dont bring 100 logis/geddons!
But back to subject, yeah i think the bhaalgorn is a viable ship right now as it has the Old nos mechanics making it just perfect to **** those ishtars up hard (corpus x type Nos = 42kms) + fed navy or domination webs , have plenty of range to defend yourself vs nanoers, now on the other side sure you can claim not everyone has the isk to use it but blah blah learn to make money (easiest thing in game)
Sure you can also argue yeh its hard to solo but my answer to that is also blah learn to play or contact me if you want a list of places that are soloable <3 |
Lyron-Baktos
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
471
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Posted - 2015.02.16 14:03:23 -
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Just used my Bhaal yesterday. If you want to see all the pimp ships fight in a small gang setting, try worm hole space.
The fight yesterday saw 3 dreads go down along with a bhaal, vindicator, nestor and multiple shiny T3's |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8962
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Posted - 2015.02.16 14:13:06 -
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SkyFlyer wrote:Lew Dicrous wrote:Well let's be fair SkyFlyer, not alot of folks would even try doing what you do solo. I saw the Nestor in Vecamia last week and the trail of dead behind it. Why do people even shoot at you again? Because they may win when they shoot at me which in all fairness i dont mind aslong as they dont bring 100 logis/geddons! But back to subject, yeah i think the bhaalgorn is a viable ship right now as it has the Old nos mechanics making it just perfect to **** those ishtars up hard (corpus x type Nos = 42kms) + fed navy or domination webs , have plenty of range to defend yourself vs nanoers, now on the other side sure you can claim not everyone has the isk to use it but blah blah learn to make money (easiest thing in game) Sure you can also argue yeh its hard to solo but my answer to that is also blah learn to play or contact me if you want a list of places that are soloable <3 actually, their fairly cheap for what they offer.
hmm, i may have to buy another one
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Wander Prian
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
59
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Posted - 2015.02.16 16:01:50 -
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As it's been said before, us wormholers use Bhaalgorns extensively. It is one of the best ways to make a triage archon's job alot harder. It is also a great ship for a smaller corp who don't have the manpower to field 5+ neuting legions and you just need more power than the Armageddon can bring.
Since the Bhaalgorn was rebalanced, I have been running 5 neuts and 2 NOS. It is perfectly possible to keep the thing going full power with one heavy cap booster and the 2 NOS, if you have a capital to NOS from.
The issue with Bhaalgorns in K-space (That's Known-space for you non-wormholers) is that as a battleship, it is big and slow. It is easy prey for the fast escalations that may happen, not to mention the capitals. Instead of wasting a 1 bill on a bhaalgorn, you can just bring a geddon and do almost the same thing.
It is one of my favourite ships to fly and fight in. You just need to know when to bring the demon out to play. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
541
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:53:29 -
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The Bhaalgorn is a very strong ship, but it has a niche role. Unless you absolutely need to get as much neuting as possible out of a single hull and cost is not an issue, there are better options. For larger fleets, the Armageddon is not only cheaper, but also often better, because against the popular HAC/T3 doctrines they are most effective against the primary difficulty is getting them in neut range in the first place; it doesn't take many heavy neuts to screw over a cruiser sized hull, with or without bonuses.
The Bhaalgorn's web range and damage potentials are not that generally useful, because if you're in a situation where you are fielding a Bhaalgorn you probably have it fitted out for maximum cap murdering and you probably also have a dedicated web boat better suited for that role.
It makes a terrifying solo boat in theory if you overlook the fact that you would have to be suffering from a significant mental impairment to try to 1v1 a ******* Bhaalgorn. |
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
309
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:12:03 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Stil Harkonnen wrote:Two different ewar bonuses that are insanely good (Web range on a BS, yes please), and then holy **** the neuts/nos get double bonused!! Able to take several ships out of a fight with just one of its bonused ewar. And then it gets a freaking huge damage role bonus that let's it fit all the ewar without sacrificing dps.
... (snip)...
Why? Is there something I'm not understanding? Something that should be pointed out... That damage role bonus merely increases the effective turrets on the Bhaalgorn to 8... allowing the ship to fit neuts AND damage but without actually adding any more damage. Basically... it has the same "number" of turrets as an Abaddon... but no damage bonus. Tech 1 battleships can often out-dps this thing. Hell... a gank-fit Vexor can EASILY out-dps a Bhaal (by a fairly good margin too). In a full tank setup (and you should be using a full tank setup with this ship)... the damage a Bhaalgorn can pump out is fairly anemic for a battleship. Less than 700 dps. That is this ship's primary weakness. It can disable multiple ships via Ewar... but it has difficulty killing anything by itself (even under favorable conditions). It can perform favorably against ships of smaller classes because of it's bonuses though. The Vindicator too but only against brawlers. The Bhaalgorn can web out close to 30km and with the new NOS bonus can disable ships close to 45km. Lower DPS is not so much an issue when you can apply it like that all while disabling the tank of the enemy ships.
A personal note: I can attest to being in a 5 man cruiser gang that got whelped by a solo Bhaalgorn pilot who clearly knew how to take advantage of these bonuses, but then again we are pretty bad at EVE
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ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
837
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Posted - 2015.02.17 08:31:31 -
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So still very rarely used...
Once in a blue moon for a cap fight in WH's, and when someone feels a bit ballsy and flys a solo Bhall (unicorn *cough*)
I think im just going to pretend its a T1 cruiser or something... take it out for the hell of it lol
No Worries
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SkyFlyer
DUST Expeditionary Team Good Sax
102
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Posted - 2015.02.17 09:39:24 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:So still very rarely used... Once in a blue moon for a cap fight in WH's, and when someone feels a bit ballsy and flys a solo Bhall (unicorn *cough*) I think im just going to pretend its a T1 cruiser or something... take it out for the hell of it lol. Now the trick is how to fit the darn thing.... pimp but not too much, and that age old question of just how many neuts
The fit you are really looking for is
is roughly : 1-2 Dmg mods, rack of good tank mwd long point 2x web 1x cap booster 4x pulse 2x corpus nos + 1 heavy neut
that'll easily rek a 5-8 man cruiser gang while maintaining a good tank...
Also whos this unicorn you are speaking off? as far as ive seen apart from me and bloods there are very few solo bhaal pilots |
Garrett Osinov
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.02.17 10:23:53 -
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SkyFlyer wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:So still very rarely used... Once in a blue moon for a cap fight in WH's, and when someone feels a bit ballsy and flys a solo Bhall (unicorn *cough*) I think im just going to pretend its a T1 cruiser or something... take it out for the hell of it lol. Now the trick is how to fit the darn thing.... pimp but not too much, and that age old question of just how many neuts The fit you are really looking for is is roughly : 1-2 Dmg mods, rack of good tank mwd long point 2x web 1x cap booster 4x pulse 2x corpus nos + 1 heavy neut that'll easily rek a 5-8 man cruiser gang while maintaining a good tank... Also whos this unicorn you are speaking off? as far as ive seen apart from me and bloods there are very few solo bhaal pilots
All cruisers in our allliance are armor plated with passive hardeners and capboosters to run guns / scrambls. So against that kind of gang bhall is kinda useless. |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
837
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Posted - 2015.02.17 10:38:19 -
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SkyFlyer wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:So still very rarely used... Once in a blue moon for a cap fight in WH's, and when someone feels a bit ballsy and flys a solo Bhall (unicorn *cough*) I think im just going to pretend its a T1 cruiser or something... take it out for the hell of it lol. Now the trick is how to fit the darn thing.... pimp but not too much, and that age old question of just how many neuts The fit you are really looking for is is roughly : 1-2 Dmg mods, rack of good tank mwd long point 2x web 1x cap booster 4x pulse 2x corpus nos + 1 heavy neut that'll easily rek a 5-8 man cruiser gang while maintaining a good tank... Also whos this unicorn you are speaking off? as far as ive seen apart from me and bloods there are very few solo bhaal pilots
Obviously il modify to the situation (as much as i can), but was thinking along these lines...
[Bhaalgorn, Lord of Flies] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Large Micro Jump Drive Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dark Blood Heavy Energy Neutralizer Corpus C-Type Heavy Nosferatu Dark Blood Heavy Energy Neutralizer
Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5
T2 trimarks im debating due to cost, but ive gone this far right? Will be in a sizable fleet so points will be taken care of. What do you think? too much bling? not enough?
Quote:All cruisers in our allliance are armor plated with passive hardeners and capboosters to run guns / scrambls. So against that kind of gang bhall is kinda useless.
and? some small gangs only bring a pair of logi... there will always be a hard counter to any ship... or should be
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Garrett Osinov
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.02.17 10:42:59 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:SkyFlyer wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:So still very rarely used... Once in a blue moon for a cap fight in WH's, and when someone feels a bit ballsy and flys a solo Bhall (unicorn *cough*) I think im just going to pretend its a T1 cruiser or something... take it out for the hell of it lol. Now the trick is how to fit the darn thing.... pimp but not too much, and that age old question of just how many neuts The fit you are really looking for is is roughly : 1-2 Dmg mods, rack of good tank mwd long point 2x web 1x cap booster 4x pulse 2x corpus nos + 1 heavy neut that'll easily rek a 5-8 man cruiser gang while maintaining a good tank... Also whos this unicorn you are speaking off? as far as ive seen apart from me and bloods there are very few solo bhaal pilots Obviously il modify to the situation (as much as i can), but was thinking along these lines... [Bhaalgorn, Lord of Flies] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Heat Sink Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Large Micro Jump Drive Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Dark Blood Heavy Energy Neutralizer Corpus C-Type Heavy Nosferatu Dark Blood Heavy Energy Neutralizer Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 T2 trimarks im debating due to cost, but ive gone this far right? Will be in a sizable fleet so points will be taken care of. What do you think? too much bling? not enough? Quote:All cruisers in our allliance are armor plated with passive hardeners and capboosters to run guns / scrambls. So against that kind of gang bhall is kinda useless. and? some small gangs only bring a pair of logi... there will always be a hard counter to any ship... or should be
any decent gang, will have some sort of EW, like sensor dampeners, so if you will be soloing against experienced PvP-ers, you will be nothing more then a thick juicy target. |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
837
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Posted - 2015.02.17 12:03:14 -
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Garrett Osinov wrote:
any decent gang, will have some sort of EW, like sensor dampeners, so if you will be soloing against experienced PvP-ers, you will be nothing more then a thick juicy target.
Yep the decent gang primaries our EW and we them... nothing new. The differance is that with the Bhaal its somewhat harder to get rid of lol. Cant say what a Decent FC would do but i would target the squishier problems like scorps or Lecheisis than a 200k Hp Bhaal that aparently has been taken out of the fight by my own EW....
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Asp IV
Apex Abyss
1
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Posted - 2015.02.17 13:16:39 -
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Bla bla bla
Buff Cruor! |
SkyFlyer
DUST Expeditionary Team Good Sax
102
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:34:50 -
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Garrett Osinov wrote:
All cruisers in our allliance are armor plated with passive hardeners and capboosters to run guns / scrambls. So against that kind of gang bhall is kinda useless.
Not really kinda useless tbh, you can still neut out guns/scramblers even if the other person is using cap boosters, you clearly haven't come accross a bhaal pilot who knows what their doing, or else your ego is just to big :Z |
LordInvisible
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
7
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:07:15 -
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I can see a problem with ECM or heavy damps.. |
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ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
841
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Posted - 2015.02.18 22:25:04 -
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LordInvisible wrote:I can see a problem with ECM or heavy damps..
No different then any other ship. And ECM of any type is usually primary for that reason... Bhaal is a lot tougher than your usual EWAR tho
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LordInvisible
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
7
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Posted - 2015.02.19 07:27:00 -
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Let me introduce you to my ABing kitsune, my armor tanked (in armor tanked fleet) scorpion and my 100 ecm vespas (with fleets of 100+, thats not really a dps loss).
yes, OFC, all that can again be countered, but it is also easy to replace in the middle of the fight.. |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
841
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Posted - 2015.02.19 08:40:01 -
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LordInvisible wrote:Let me introduce you to my ABing kitsune, my armor tanked (in armor tanked fleet) scorpion and my 100 ecm vespas (with fleets of 100+, thats not really a dps loss).
yes, OFC, all that can again be countered, but it is also easy to replace in the middle of the fight..
100+ fleets... id prob just refit to SB's, lose the webs for Sensor boosters and ive never really heard of scorps lasting very long...
but of course then im sure theres an arguement to that... and then one to that... and one to that...
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