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Capitol One
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.02.17 22:52:25 -
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Assigning fighters offgrid is super lame in my opinion. I've done it, my alliance mates do it every day and it's still lame.
The risk is minimal, close to zero, and you're getting a carriers worth of dps on a grid without risking said carrier. Should only work on the same grid in my opinion. |
Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
412
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Posted - 2015.02.18 04:41:25 -
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Capitol One wrote:Assigning fighters offgrid is super lame in my opinion. I've done it, my alliance mates do it every day and it's still lame.
The risk is minimal, close to zero, and you're getting a carriers worth of dps on a grid without risking said carrier. Should only work on the same grid in my opinion.
I agree about assigning fighters being lame, assigning fighter bombers though is super legit though! |
RonPaul Rox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
79
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:45:51 -
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Agent Unknown wrote:
Fair enough. However, with the Nyx being worth 20b+, being unable to defend itself when tackled since fighters die pretty easily and it can field less than 3 full flights of fighters, and having to compromise its tank for drone damage mods make this pretty balanced.
Sure, it's not pretty, but it's no worse than the 0-risk hyperdunking or other questionable acts that are perfectly legal. If the Nyx pilot onlines the POS, drop some dreads on his face and bubble the POS...his tank will be laughable and melt in pretty short order.
As a bonus, the POS method must be done by a super because it can't dock...
1. you cant bubble in low sec
2. that doesnt matter because you can stront the pos and the carrier will have up to 4 days and 15 hours hours to de-agress and safe log off
3. it takes 15 minutes to de-agress and safe-log, so that should be plenty of time
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infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2015.02.18 08:52:51 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Trey Kutoi wrote:if by skynetting, you mean assigning fighters, I personally think that it sucks, but that's because I don't have any fighters of my own. its just another form of power projection.
did a little googlefu,apparently fighters have absolute garbage for scan res.
I assume that means that for skynetting to happen, you need to be tackled pretty hard, (maybe triple web?) and probably would have died from other means. the fighters just make you die faster Wut? Are you confusing scan res with tracking? Now it just takes a little longer for fighters to start shooting you, but once they do, they can even track interceptors. They can one shot an active tanked t3 cruiser! All while the Nyx / Thanatos is very save. Not 100%, but still very save. In the end, this projects ~7300 dps ( 48k volley) to another grid.
Popping an active tanked t3 isn't saying much, it is just a cruiser hull afterall. Anyway, I've been chased by fighters plenty of times. Just warp to your pos and let your pos guns pick em off, dam skeeters anyway. |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2015.02.18 09:00:04 -
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Capitol One wrote:Assigning fighters offgrid is super lame in my opinion. I've done it, my alliance mates do it every day and it's still lame.
The risk is minimal, close to zero, and you're getting a carriers worth of dps on a grid without risking said carrier. Should only work on the same grid in my opinion.
Why is everyone bitching about this tactic when it has been going on ever since fighters were put in the game? Why all the uproar now, did I miss something, I am a bit dense, please fill me in. What's next, are we going to reopen the thread on how lame afk cloakers are, or how lame it is to be scammed in jita? Maybe it has something to do with the influx of new players and they run to the forums the first time they get broadsided by game mechanics they don't fully understand. Let's reopen the thread on how lame offgrid boosters are while were at it. |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2015.02.18 09:04:21 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:I believe I had this happen to me. I was in my Executioner in low-sec and was playing around with these fools on a station. Well one of them undocked some capital ship I believe, anyway, I ended up warping off to a nearby station, and yet even while I was by myself in grid on this station, I began taking damage from some drones. At the time I was absolutely perplexed at how this could happen with nobody else on the grid with me. I immediately docked and was in shock.
OK, so are you asking for a nerf on something, or just telling war stories? Fighters will warp after you, read up on it. |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2015.02.18 09:10:30 -
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Bienator II wrote:funny that so many broken game mechanics are connected to poses, isn't it?
What game mechanic is broken? A carrier that assigns his fighters to another pilot? When did you start playing this game, first time out of highsec maybe? ? This has been going on for years and it's not broken, it's working as intended. |
RonPaul Rox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
79
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Posted - 2015.02.18 09:14:41 -
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infra52x wrote:Capitol One wrote:Assigning fighters offgrid is super lame in my opinion. I've done it, my alliance mates do it every day and it's still lame.
The risk is minimal, close to zero, and you're getting a carriers worth of dps on a grid without risking said carrier. Should only work on the same grid in my opinion. Why is everyone bitching about this tactic when it has been going on ever since fighters were put in the game? Why all the uproar now, did I miss something, I am a bit dense, please fill me in. What's next, are we going to reopen the thread on how lame afk cloakers are, or how lame it is to be scammed in jita? Maybe it has something to do with the influx of new players and they run to the forums the first time they get broadsided by game mechanics they don't fully understand. Let's reopen the thread on how lame offgrid boosters are while were at it.
well, now that you mention it, off-grid boosters ARE lame
WHO'S WITH ME?!
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Agent Unknown
Night Theifs DamnedNation
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:09:44 -
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infra52x wrote:Bienator II wrote:funny that so many broken game mechanics are connected to poses, isn't it? What game mechanic is broken? A carrier that assigns his fighters to another pilot? When did you start playing this game, first time out of highsec maybe? ? This has been going on for years and it's not broken, it's working as intended.
Now that you mention it, that's true ...this has been going on for quite a long time. It's probably only come up recently because the DDAs affect fighters and make them do even more damage, but fighter assignment and "attack and follow" have existed since fighters were in the game.
Sure, you can't kill the carrier/super, but you can either kill the fighters or the ship the fighters are assigned to. |
Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:20:30 -
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infra52x wrote:
OK, so are you asking for a nerf on something, or just telling war stories? Fighters will warp after you, read up on it.
Calm down son.
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like makin' stuff and doin' things ~~~~~~ 0% Efficiency in Fucks Given ~~~~~~~ nun wow mom unu
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:26:11 -
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I don't know that these off-grid drone squads should be nerfed but I don't think anybody can realistically deny that drones are super strong right now.
Sentry Vexors are freaking ridiculous, then you've got carriers that are able to strike you from anywhere across the solar system... pretty damn powerful
You go look at the frigate level warfare and when you look at Tristans and stuff like that they are nowhere near as dominant in their field as Ishtars and Vexors are in their class. You've got sentries and geckos and off-grid fighter squads, it's pretty crazy. Probably a lot of people right now wished they had trained Gallente drone boats.
Realistically I don't see this going on for that much longer until CCP bring about some kind of nerf, even if it is a minor nerf.
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like makin' stuff and doin' things ~~~~~~ 0% Efficiency in Fucks Given ~~~~~~~ nun wow mom unu
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Agent Unknown
Night Theifs DamnedNation
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:29:39 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:I don't know that these off-grid drone squads should be nerfed but I don't think anybody can realistically deny that drones are super strong right now.
Sentry Vexors are freaking ridiculous, then you've got carriers that are able to strike you from anywhere across the solar system... pretty damn powerful
You go look at the frigate level warfare and when you look at Tristans and stuff like that they are nowhere near as dominant in their field as Ishtars and Vexors are in their class. You've got sentries and geckos and off-grid fighter squads, it's pretty crazy. Probably a lot of people right now wished they had trained Gallente drone boats.
Realistically I don't see this going on for that much longer until CCP bring about some kind of nerf, even if it is a minor nerf.
Again, carriers and fighters have been around for years...it's likely gotten worse because more people have trained capital ships with the price dropping so rapidly (seriously, a carrier is about as much as a Black Ops).
Fighters die very quickly under concentrated fire and webs. Sentries aren't much different and they're vulnerable once the controlling ship is out of scoop range. They can also be bombed off the field in 0.0. In lowsec...well...pick your battles better. |
Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
212
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:51:37 -
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Just because something has been going on for a long time, that is not a good reason to keep it around, especially if it's broken.
You just can't use that as an excuse. "Well, it's been happening for years so why complain now?"
If the game was crap for years that doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed.
I'm not even saying this mechanic is broken, I'm just saying the fact that it has been around for a long time really has nothing to do with discussing the balance of the game mechanic.
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like makin' stuff and doin' things ~~~~~~ 0% Efficiency in Fucks Given ~~~~~~~ nun wow mom unu
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l0rd carlos
TURN DOWN. The Camel Empire
1169
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Posted - 2015.02.18 15:03:38 -
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infra52x wrote:Bienator II wrote:funny that so many broken game mechanics are connected to poses, isn't it? What game mechanic is broken? A carrier that assigns his fighters to another pilot? When did you start playing this game, first time out of highsec maybe? ? This has been going on for years and it's not broken, it's working as intended.
Yes, it's working as intended. We are saying that the intended game mechanic is not well balanced any more with the changes from the lsat couple of releases.
Jump changes means there is less risk of an anemy titan or super comming after you. DDA and Onis working on fighter mean they can now track interceptors.
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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
669
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Posted - 2015.02.18 15:09:00 -
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infra52x wrote:Capitol One wrote:Assigning fighters offgrid is super lame in my opinion. I've done it, my alliance mates do it every day and it's still lame.
The risk is minimal, close to zero, and you're getting a carriers worth of dps on a grid without risking said carrier. Should only work on the same grid in my opinion. Why is everyone bitching about this tactic when it has been going on ever since fighters were put in the game? Why all the uproar now, did I miss something, I am a bit dense, please fill me in. What's next, are we going to reopen the thread on how lame afk cloakers are, or how lame it is to be scammed in jita? Maybe it has something to do with the influx of new players and they run to the forums the first time they get broadsided by game mechanics they don't fully understand. Let's reopen the thread on how lame offgrid boosters are while were at it.
This came up since Tracking links, drone hp rigs and DDAs now affect Fighters and theyre able to hit subcaps reliably.
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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
327
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Posted - 2015.02.18 18:53:12 -
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Fighters should work like drones.
You want to assist your inty friend with a few thousand DPS? Be a man and put that capital ship on the field.
That'd be so easy.
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
551
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:09:02 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:infra52x wrote:Capitol One wrote:Assigning fighters offgrid is super lame in my opinion. I've done it, my alliance mates do it every day and it's still lame.
The risk is minimal, close to zero, and you're getting a carriers worth of dps on a grid without risking said carrier. Should only work on the same grid in my opinion. Why is everyone bitching about this tactic when it has been going on ever since fighters were put in the game? Why all the uproar now, did I miss something, I am a bit dense, please fill me in. What's next, are we going to reopen the thread on how lame afk cloakers are, or how lame it is to be scammed in jita? Maybe it has something to do with the influx of new players and they run to the forums the first time they get broadsided by game mechanics they don't fully understand. Let's reopen the thread on how lame offgrid boosters are while were at it. This came up since Tracking links, drone hp rigs and DDAs now affect Fighters and theyre able to hit subcaps reliably.
Pretend I could be bothered to quote this about a dozen times for people going "but you could assign Fighters for years, why is it suddenly a problem now?" |
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