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Apprehentive	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:09:00 - [1] Basically... Im looking for a very ebil pvp tank setup that can roughly tank 2 torp ravens long enough to kill one of them. Yes, i know taht ECM is the best tank out there, but lets not go there. Ive thought of something with 1x LAR II, 2x 1600mm plates, 3x t2 hardeners, EANM II and DCU. Would that be enough?
Gor Kraon Minmatar Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:13:00 - [2] If one LAR II can repair through 2 Ravens, the Raven pilots are crap. Double up on the LAR IIs, fill the high with NOS to keep the cap going.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:14:00 - [3] you need 2 large reps, 3 hards (exp therm kin) an eanm2. Some nos and a cap booster to keep it running. Also need good drone skills (t2 heavies) if you want to be able to kill them quick enough. In rust we trust!!!
Megri ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:16:00 - [4] 1 LAR is not capable of tanking 2 ravens, a single lar is generally used in combination with ew. IF I WIN ANYTHING FROM YOUR AUCTION PLEASE CONTACT ME INGAME BEFORE ESCROWING TO ME, AS I WOULD PREFER IT ESCROWED TO MY ALT.
Apprehentive	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:18:00 - [5] The reason wy i chose 1 repairer over 2, is because i wanted to fit 2 1600mm plates without dropping a resistance mod, with wich, it would give em enough hp to chew on while im cycling my single rep. If i dont have any plates on, they will just fry me before i even cycle my repairer twice...
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:27:00 - [6] single LAR + 2 plates might be worth it for short fights! Approximative maths: 1600mm RT plates+skills = 4000+ hp LAR2= reps 800hp/10s takes 50s to repair 4000hp So if the fights is shorter than 1"40 min, LAR2+plate is better than 2 LAR2 Apart from this comment, if your ravens are skilled pilots, a single, not so experienced, Domi pilot will have a hard time without ECM. ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Complacency's Bane	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:30:00 - [7] You'll lose to good ravens because they'll have ECM and you wont get any locks. You'll lose to bad ravens if you try to go with Nos and no ECM. You can probably kill at least one of them with a mass-plated dual 250 gank setup, assuming theyre lousy pilots with no skills. Unless you need a -3 scramble, you really dont have anything better then ECM to put in your midslots though.
Megri ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Apprehentive So basicly, ECM is ubar... Oh well, so be it. Better get my electronics skills up... yes. IF I WIN ANYTHING FROM YOUR AUCTION PLEASE CONTACT ME INGAME BEFORE ESCROWING TO ME, AS I WOULD PREFER IT ESCROWED TO MY ALT.
Apprehentive	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:36:00 - [9] So basicly, ECM is ubar... Oh well, so be it. Better get my electronics skills up...
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.04 22:19:00 - [10] I remember facing a corpm8 in my raven the other day and him in his domi....well, a single raven will take out the domi's shield in one volley, and if the ravens switch to expl torps, and they are somewhat decent raven pilots, itll be very hard Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
LWMaverick Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Areconus I remember facing a corpm8 in my raven the other day and him in his domi....well, a single raven will take out the domi's shield in one volley, and if the ravens switch to expl torps, and they are somewhat decent raven pilots, itll be very hard Who cares about how fast he can take of your shields, if your armour tanked? A well piloted/equipped domi, can rather easy handle a raven, if no ecm is involved. With ecm?.. a question of who jams first <.< 2 ravens without vs. domi with ecm = domi wins usually <3
jamesw Omniscient Order	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:16:00 - [12] Edited by: jamesw on 04/10/2006 23:16:54 With a well tanked nos/ecm domi you are in with a chance, but many ravens (esp. pvp setup ones) will also be running cap injectors, and have a tank that lasts just as long as yours. Drones will take a while to get through a reasonable tank, and if they are t2 fitted they will most likely be doing too much damage to tank yourself... That said, where there's a will, there's a way..... First, start with a tank. 1 Large Accom, 2 Med rep II, 1600 tungsten, 2 x EANM II, Damage Control. Thats my basic "heavy tank" lowslot setup which has served me well for a long, long time. Next, midslots. Power the tank - Heavy Electrochemical Injector. Next, you need a scrambler - 20km. The last 3 slots can be a mix of ECCM and ECM. Running 2x ECM and 1 x ECCM works well against jamming ships, however if you know the ravens are not jamming, fit 3x ECM. Use Gravimetric instead of Multispecs for added nastiness against Caldari. Highslots, well for this type of setup I usually go a mix of heavy and medium nos. Powergrid is a little tight by now, so you should be looking at maybe 3 heavy nos, 2 medium nos and a medium neutralizer. That kills the same amount of cap as around 5 heavy nos. Load up on some Ogre II and Praetor II drones for Thermal and EM damage, and off you go. If any ship can take on 2x ravens, thats got to be one of them. It's not a guaranteed win, but it will give them a run for their money at lest -- NEW Vid: Domi For the Win!
Dr Happy	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:19:00 - [13] Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Areconus I remember facing a corpm8 in my raven the other day and him in his domi....well, a single raven will take out the domi's shield in one volley, and if the ravens switch to expl torps, and they are somewhat decent raven pilots, itll be very hard Who cares about how fast he can take of your shields, if your armour tanked? A well piloted/equipped domi, can rather easy handle a raven, if no ecm is involved. With ecm?.. a question of who jams first <.< 2 ravens without vs. domi with ecm = domi wins usually well he said then if the raven switches to exp torps . . . he just didn't go into details. INFERENCE POEPLE INFERENCING Is your friend
Swiftness Caldari VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:27:00 - [14] fit ECM, they'll warp out thanks to stabs ... fit several scramblers, you'll die
Flabida jaba	Posted - 2006.10.05 02:20:00 - [15] How can i fit out my Raven?? to tank 2 Nos domi's long enough to kill just one of them????
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.10.05 03:48:00 - [16] tank a raven long enough to kill 2 dommis? officer mods. lots of them..... 5 tech I cruisers, 2 assault firsg, an intie, and 3 tech I frigs can spank a faction fitted dommi real fast though
Benglada Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.05 03:55:00 - [17] While two ravens is rather hard, The only raven setup that should take out a domi is a rage torp raven, and even then, hes got to have a ** tank to do decent damage with rages, so if you get two jams, hes screwed... 1v1 a domi should never lose to a raven 1v2 is quite different. --------------------------- Originally by:** Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Flabida jaba	Posted - 2006.10.05 04:02:00 - [18] Edited by: Flabida jaba on 05/10/2006 04:02:37 Edited by: Flabida jaba on 05/10/2006 04:02:17 Originally by: Benglada While two ravens is rather hard, The only raven setup that should take out a domi is a rage torp raven, and even then, hes got to have a **** tank to do decent damage with rages, so if you get two jams, hes screwed... 1v1 a domi should never lose to a raven 1v2 is quite different. How do i fit my raven to tank long enough to kill 1 nos domi???
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.05 04:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Flabida jaba How do i fit my raven to tank long enough to kill 1 nos domi??? Torps, Med nos, Sensor Booster, Warp Disruptor, 4x ECM Ion IIs, Plate tank + BCUs. Cross fingers. If you can keep him jammed you'll win. Otherwise not. Random combat is super #1 fun! Who needs skill when you have dice.
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.05 04:24:00 - [20] I dont believe some of the advice this poor guy is being given here Domis dont kill extra fast. Not even with interf 5 and tech II Ogres. They need to be able to tank incoming. EW? yes ok. But it will only work if you can keep at least one Raven tanked at all times... What sort of Raven pilots are they? Cruise - EW - armor tnak? Forget about it as EW favours numbers. Cruise - shield tank - can collectors - pdus? yeah they are tankable long enough with dual LAR = you win NPCers sure you ll win with a normal set up they might even be using heavy missles lol. If you lose then warp out as npcers dotn carry scrams 90% of the time. However if we assume the most likely scenario Ravens will be something like...: 6xsiege II 1xHeavy Nos 1xmed neut, 4slot tank 20km med cap injector, 2xbcuII Here you are in trouble: You can tank them for 30 secs max I d say. in this time: If you are running dual LAR you only have room for 4 NOS tops or 3 and a plate if I remember correctly... they ll also have 2 NOS and 2 med neuts on you so you gain no cap...in 30 secs you ll either run out of cap or out of hp... probably both... will you have taken a Raven down in 30 secs? I d say nope. I didnt do no maths but say based on what I have seen... I d say if you can get a good warp in on them try an Electron set up with 1 LAR and plates or 6xElectrons 1xAb 1x20km 1xXLIIbooster 1x invulnII 1xL Injector, 4xmagstabII 1xdcu 2xpduII... again havent seen the math for this in a long time but I think if they attack you with Banes or with 2 mjolnir 4 bane loaded you ll probably down the one at least before they realise whats happening... Dont underestimate the power of the blaster... I was trying with a corpy Torps+tank+bcu Raven (me) v his weird cruise and half EW half shield tank set up. the relevance of this is he had as much EW as a Domi has more or less... Well he couldnt break my tank so long as I had cap charges. I was breaking him very fast (obviously) but he was boosting it back during the succesfull jams... 20 secs just wasnt enough to take him to 1/4 armour (arbitrary duel end). I docked and exchanged the 2 NOS for 2xModal Ions (no ship bonus no dmg mod of course) and 20 secs was more than enough time
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.05 04:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Crellion Domis dont kill extra fast. Not even with interf 5 and tech II Ogres. They need to be able to tank incoming. Hence my advice for the dual 250 gank domi. It's range-versatile, EW-heavy, well-plated, and it throws 950 DpS or so. If you roll well on your ECM, you'll probably get at least one of the ravens.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 08:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Complacency's Bane Originally by: Flabida jaba How do i fit my raven to tank long enough to kill 1 nos domi??? Torps, Med nos, Sensor Booster, Warp Disruptor, 4x ECM Ion IIs, Plate tank + BCUs. Cross fingers. If you can keep him jammed you'll win. Otherwise not. Random combat is super #1 fun! Who needs skill when you have dice. Getting OT here a bit, but a cap injector tank raven, with sensor backups will tear a nos domi to shreds. Especially if you take smartbombs.
Faruda	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:38:00 - [23] You can't tank single t2 torp Raven.

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