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altyrel
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:28:00 -
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2006.10.04 20:29
Victim: Mktxormivretohjq Alliance: NONE Corp: Republic Military School Destroyed: Mammoth System: Niarja Security: 0.5
Involved parties:
Name: Mordoci (laid the final blow) Security: -1.9 Alliance: NONE Corp: Bad Karma. Ship: Armageddon Weapon: Garde I
Hi,
Attacking in empire space is not considered and exploit. The player who attacked you lost his standing and his ship in the process.
As stated in the article http://kb.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=172 (out of game browser): "Being based in a system with a security status above 0.5 should be relatively safe. Player pirates can not enter these systems because of their negative security status and therefore there are less pirates there, than in the lower security systems. Note, though, that you are never invulnerable to hit-and-run attacks, so if you are transporting valuables, always ensure you are either on a ship that can withstand a short attack, or that you have backup."
I'm sorry for you loss but everything was done according to the game mechanics and sadly we're unable to reimburse your losses.
Best regards, GM Xamother
Q:k so if i`m coming to jita with 10 freinds and i start rendom atacks on non war targets and they remote repair me is OK is a game mechanic YES ?
R:Yes it is.
Best regards, GM Xamother
k so teoretical CCP say is ok to start atack in organized fation all NON war TARGETS :), how about CONCORD? Because if i have 5-6 BS for suport i think a ghedon can tank relatively easy.
Kali will change something about this kind of actions ?
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Sovarin
Caldari Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:46:00 -
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Well you only have a few seconds of firing in 0.5+ system before CONCORD come in and save the day, most people dont see much profit in loosing a battleship for the sake of killing a frig in empire space. And for those who have ever accidentally shot at the wrong target whilst aiming for a war target will know how quickly CONCORD can pwn anything in seconds.
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BenYGW
Caldari Syncore Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.04 21:46:00 -
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i think concord have uber ecm that jams you instantly + totaly or somesuch thing
eitherway, concord h4x im sure the (tempting) plan wouldnt work :(
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allanvv
Solar Wind Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.04 22:26:00 -
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Sure, you could try that. Then concord comes in and blows everyone up, including the remote reppers since they're aiding a criminal.
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Outa Rileau
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Posted - 2006.10.04 23:07:00 -
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If you remote repair a flagged person you will receive a flagging yourself, resulting in more ubarwtfpwn concord spawning to destroy your "friends" until you all die. If you survive long enough to kill something it's a viable tactic though.
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Hoshpa Covo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.05 04:35:00 -
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Posting your correspondance with the GM is a bit of a forum no-no, ie:
Quote: Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue.
In any case, the other guys here have covered the rules for criminality in high sec Empire.
You can shoot at anyone at any time. If you do shoot at a random person in high sec space that is not flagged as a criminal, you will lose your ship (it's an exploit if you don't). It is entirely possible to kill the other guy before you die. If you aid a criminal in high sec, you have to die to Concord too (once again, it's an exploit if you don't).
It's not worth remote repping someone, you don't really gain enough time doing it. And Concord will not split their fire between multiple ships, they'll just spawn more ships to deal with each individual offender.
Still, there's enough juicy ships carrying very nice cargo that it's often worth suiciding your ship to try and get at
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Mr Stargate
Caldari Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.05 05:43:00 -
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Concord will swoop in and kill you fast. If they dont, they will just call in more reinforcements.
Btw, you do know that this thread is going to get locked because you posted the log of a petition, right ? ------------
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Marsha11
Bad Karma.
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Posted - 2006.10.05 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: altyrel 2006.10.04 20:29
Victim: Mktxormivretohjq Alliance: NONE Corp: Republic Military School Destroyed: Mammoth System: Niarja Security: 0.5
Involved parties:
Name: Mordoci (laid the final blow) Security: -1.9 Alliance: NONE Corp: Bad Karma. Ship: Armageddon Weapon: Garde I
Hi,
Attacking in empire space is not considered and exploit. The player who attacked you lost his standing and his ship in the process.
As stated in the article http://kb.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=172 (out of game browser): "Being based in a system with a security status above 0.5 should be relatively safe. Player pirates can not enter these systems because of their negative security status and therefore there are less pirates there, than in the lower security systems. Note, though, that you are never invulnerable to hit-and-run attacks, so if you are transporting valuables, always ensure you are either on a ship that can withstand a short attack, or that you have backup."
I'm sorry for you loss but everything was done according to the game mechanics and sadly we're unable to reimburse your losses.
Best regards, GM Xamother
Q:k so if i`m coming to jita with 10 freinds and i start rendom atacks on non war targets and they remote repair me is OK is a game mechanic YES ?
R:Yes it is.
Best regards, GM Xamother
k so teoretical CCP say is ok to start atack in organized fation all NON war TARGETS :), how about CONCORD? Because if i have 5-6 BS for suport i think a ghedon can tank relatively easy.
Kali will change something about this kind of actions ?
I was the hauler that scooped the 2.1 billion you lost.
Thanks man, its people like you that mean i dont need to go ratting
Im sorry you were not aware of the logistics of hauler ganking but as long as it is not an exploit and we have the security status to get away with it haulers shall continue to pop for our financial gain.
Thanks again
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Kai'Ckul
Caldari Solar Storm
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Posted - 2006.10.05 11:14:00 -
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If you have to move valuables in empire, you have to consider how much it would be worth in lost ships and gear for suicide gankers to get a chance at looting your cargo.
Your small fast interceptor might be a hard target to lock, but a bombdomi or bombgeddon will still get you. Cruisers are also too light to stop most well coordinated ganks. Tanked HAC/Transport/BS or moving a freighter might be a better choice.
Some of the inventory used by the ones going after your hard earned assets include:
Smartbombships like dominix or armageddon. With current prices and insurance cost on these it's next to breakeven.
The classic suicide kessie. 3-5 of these can take out any industrial before concord gets there.
Vexors with sentries. A pack of these = ouch.
Artyravens. --------- Another popular trick is the Invite-to-waring-gang. Seen it tried in jita/kisogo a lot. Don't accept invites from people you don't know. Period!
On a sidenote: Recycling suicideganking alts to avoid the security status hit is an exploit, and a bannable one at that, so if you get hit by the same person in an obviously recycled alt, get it banned.
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altyrel
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Posted - 2006.10.05 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Marsha11
Originally by: altyrel 2006.10.04 20:29
Victim: Mktxormivretohjq Alliance: NONE Corp: Republic Military School Destroyed: Mammoth System: Niarja Security: 0.5
Involved parties:
Name: Mordoci (laid the final blow) Security: -1.9 Alliance: NONE Corp: Bad Karma. Ship: Armageddon Weapon: Garde I
Hi,
Attacking in empire space is not considered and exploit. The player who attacked you lost his standing and his ship in the process.
As stated in the article http://kb.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=172 (out of game browser): "Being based in a system with a security status above 0.5 should be relatively safe. Player pirates can not enter these systems because of their negative security status and therefore there are less pirates there, than in the lower security systems. Note, though, that you are never invulnerable to hit-and-run attacks, so if you are transporting valuables, always ensure you are either on a ship that can withstand a short attack, or that you have backup."
I'm sorry for you loss but everything was done according to the game mechanics and sadly we're unable to reimburse your losses.
Best regards, GM Xamother
Q:k so if i`m coming to jita with 10 freinds and i start rendom atacks on non war targets and they remote repair me is OK is a game mechanic YES ?
R:Yes it is.
Best regards, GM Xamother
k so teoretical CCP say is ok to start atack in organized fation all NON war TARGETS :), how about CONCORD? Because if i have 5-6 BS for suport i think a ghedon can tank relatively easy.
Kali will change something about this kind of actions ?
I was the hauler that scooped the 2.1 billion you lost.
Thanks man, its people like you that mean i dont need to go ratting
Im sorry you were not aware of the logistics of hauler ganking but as long as it is not an exploit and we have the security status to get away with it haulers shall continue to pop for our financial gain.
Thanks again
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it was 1.2 bil dont be to*****y
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Marsha11
Bad Karma.
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:41:00 -
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It was 2.1 Billion, we totalled it all up at Jita market prices about 10mins after ganking you.
Plus there was another 500mil(ish) that got destroyed.
Here is a list of what we recovered:
ECM - Ion Field Projector II x 50 ECM - Phase Inverter II x50 ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II x 50 ECM - White Noise Generator II x50 Tracking Computer II x 50 Mega Beam Laser II x40 Tachyon Beam Laser II x16 Gyrostabilizer II x20 Heat Sink II x 30 425mm Railgun II x 23 Ion Blaster Cannon II x14 Neutron Blaster Cannon II x 7 Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x20 Tracking Enhancer II x57
Thank You for your custom
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.05 16:16:00 -
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if i had to move valueble stuff id use a T2 hauler that is tanked, or for small shipments my Ferox. Ferox is good as i doubt anyone can blast off 12000hp of shields before concord pwns them.
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Mordoci
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Posted - 2006.10.05 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Mordoci on 05/10/2006 18:29:14 You simply need to be more aware of game mechanics if you're going to move around valuables worth that amount. On second thoughts, stay ignorant, that's how I make money.
Put a bounty on me if you want, it might make you feel better.
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Dragon Sworn
DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.05 20:06:00 -
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you really need to watch this video.
Concordokken'd!
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Rotag
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.05 21:56:00 -
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Ya know, it IS considered an exploit to evade concord. You WILL and MUST die by concord. Otherwise the GM's will push the I-Quit button for you.
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Xorus
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.05 22:00:00 -
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