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Jallukola
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Posted - 2015.02.17 12:46:55 -
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Yes it's a bit early to talk about this, but I wonder what sort of bonuses should the ship see. Purists and history lovers would argue missile systems over hybrids, but I think Claradi has already plenty of missile boats at disposal, and Caldari deserves more hybird platform love IMO.
When the time comes, Gallente can keep their drone bonuses for all I care like they have for ages already, but I think purism with Caldari's T3 would be a waste.
But I also feel this would be a perfect opportunity to break a certain formula; Yes all 4 factions have access to Drone capabilities, and out of the 4 factions, 3 have Missile ships. Perharps CCP should blow a hole unto this titanic instead let it be miscruised. Give Caldari their Hybrid bonuses in time, but make Gallente's T3 Destroyer a Missile Ship.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
564
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Posted - 2015.02.17 15:02:28 -
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No!
I want citadel torpedo launchers on that destroyer or six times that new jove super-doomsday turret.
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erg cz
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2015.02.17 15:24:19 -
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Jallukola wrote:... I think Claradi has already plenty of missile boats at disposal, and Caldari deserves more hybird platform love IMO. ... purism with Caldari's T3 ..., but make Gallente's T3 Destroyer a Missile Ship.
elitatwo wrote:No!
I want citadel torpedo launchers on that destroyer or six times that new jove super-doomsday turret.
Forum troll detected. Both of them. |
Hagika
Doughboys Snuffed Out
279
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Posted - 2015.02.17 19:39:45 -
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Caldari already has 2 missile destroyers and only 1 hybrid. The new T3 Dessie should be rail fit with ridiculous range. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
57
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Posted - 2015.02.18 01:34:07 -
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U think we need another railgu but smaller size? |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.02.18 01:38:21 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:U think we need another railgu but smaller size?
LML boat would be more overpowered.
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Brumortateu Rhadoshm
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.02.18 02:21:47 -
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How about some bonuses to shields in general and to capacitor size, to build on some Caldari strengths?
Caldari are efficient, so they could come up with better power grids/cpu grids, agility etc.
Maybe give them some drone bonuses, perhaps a new drone technology that allows it to use drones more efficiently, perhaps some kind of drone scripting that allows drones to have better tracking, better range, better speed as needed.
Since Caldari are the ultimate capitalists, perhaps tie that into it somehow, maybe some kind of remote freighter boost, planet colony boost, or damage bonuses against pos's and such. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
39
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Posted - 2015.02.18 02:36:27 -
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Caldari will get rails, Gallente will get guns. It's what follows the amarr and then minmatar t3 tactical destroyers 'roles'. |
Trey Kutoi
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
65
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Posted - 2015.02.18 03:28:18 -
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Brumortateu Rhadoshm wrote:How about some bonuses to shields in general and to capacitor size, to build on some Caldari strengths?
Caldari are efficient, so they could come up with better power grids/cpu grids, agility etc.
**** CPU is a caldari trait apparently |
Dante Romanov
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2015.02.18 05:56:41 -
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I might get flamed for this but oh well..
I wouldn't mind either Railguns or Missiles, but maybe some ECM bonus's, and i would like a 3rd defensive stat, like passive shield regen boost or active shield regen boost, i think based of the sketches we have seen so far an ECM boat would look beautiful, but i doubt it, but in all honesty i think it will be a Railgun platform, mainly do to the fact that it fits with the theme of these T3's.. Maybe Missiles (And i am hoping for them more) but the bonus would be smaller, you can't have missiles with a 66% range bonus.. That is 125km+ with Faction Launchers.. and that is more then 1200-1500 damage per volley then.. Maybe more, so yeah.. Money on the Rails, heart on the Missiles |
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Iyokus Patrouette
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
338
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:24:32 -
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lol
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
57
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Posted - 2015.02.18 10:30:46 -
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Brumortateu Rhadoshm wrote:How about some bonuses to shields in general and to capacitor size, to build on some Caldari strengths?
Caldari are efficient, so they could come up with better power grids/cpu grids, agility etc.
Maybe give them some drone bonuses, perhaps a new drone technology that allows it to use drones more efficiently, perhaps some kind of drone scripting that allows drones to have better tracking, better range, better speed as needed.
Since Caldari are the ultimate capitalists, perhaps tie that into it somehow, maybe some kind of remote freighter boost, planet colony boost, or damage bonuses against pos's and such.
Sounds like guristas. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
57
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Posted - 2015.02.18 10:54:42 -
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I think ccp would pick hybrids for it.
Wonder what they offer for propulsion mode, velocity bonus or sig bonus while mwd. Or maybe warp speed bonus.
In regard of defence how about shield hp bonus or shield booster efficiency and cap requirement. |
Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
212
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:43:02 -
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It's going to get rail-gun bonuses (or blasters if you are a hipster) from the sniper mode, a shield resistance bonus from the defense mode, and probably a velocity bonus from the propulsion mode.
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
375
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Posted - 2015.02.18 18:12:42 -
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It won't get missiles because the Corax and SB's are missile boats, what we really need is another Naga-like rail platform to free up the Gallente hull to fit blasters and drones. And if you specced missiles because they're the Caldari primary... well you're SOL. Anyways.... I would love to see it as a potent missile boat but I honestly don't expect it to be. If I was guessing, range mode will give it rail optimal, defensive might give it a resistance boost or possibly a shield boost amount, and I'm not sure about speed exactly.
Edit: I think everyone might be pleasantly surprised if they decide to make it dual-weapon bonused. Both at the same time would not, and should not, be viable but this would make for interesting possibilities and would set a precedent for mayne having the Gallente the same way. |
Trey Kutoi
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
65
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:23:54 -
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if anything, the Minmatar D3 should have been the split weapon system |
Lew Dicrous
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.02.19 07:48:16 -
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In staying with the naming theme, I hope it's called "The Chicken."
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Etocoreda Grey
Kings of Lamaa
0
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Posted - 2015.02.19 09:37:10 -
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I'd like it if the caldari dessie was an upgrade from my hookbill that used ROCKETS. Although i don't know if T3 dessie is really meant to fill that role. Worm and garmur are missle only. |
Tiberius Rexius
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2015.02.19 10:46:42 -
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My Guess on the coming Caldari destroyer is:
Highs: 7 6x guns 1 utility Meds : 5 Lows : 3
defence bonus would be % boost ammount and shield resist % ammount
speed mode: velocity and inertia like the confessor. tho id hope for velocity and warp speed.
sharpshootermode: would be the same as the svipul giving it a optimal bonus and tracking buff
As for the weaponsystem its going to be hybrid for sure as CCP dosent understand missiles Would make the ship pretty well pointed to the mix of a hawk and the harpy and well ballanced vs the other t3 wile giving it some caldari uniqueness
However a ECM dessy from caldari would be unique especially if it had a nice bonus to ecm burst modules like a scorpion swap one tank slot for 1 ecm burst slot with a bonus to range and jam strenght along with reduced cycle time and cap usage.
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lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
75
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Posted - 2015.02.19 11:22:34 -
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defender bonused mode passive shield tank mode falcon mode
caling it now |
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:36:06 -
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Etocoreda Grey wrote:I'd like it if the caldari dessie was an upgrade from my hookbill that used ROCKETS. Although i don't know if T3 dessie is really meant to fill that role. Worm and garmur are missle only. The Worm is very far from a missile boat. It gets like 40 DPS with rockets. You can have Gallente frig at level 1 and still fly it just as effectively. It's kind of weird actually. The drones are what makes the ship OP
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
89
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Posted - 2015.02.19 20:07:12 -
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Watch CCP give it only bonuses to defender missiles. I would laugh myself dead .
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Jallukola
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Posted - 2015.02.19 22:04:44 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:Watch CCP give it only bonuses to defender missiles. I would laugh myself dead . You wouldn't certainly be the only one at that.
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Mary Killigrew
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.02.20 14:55:19 -
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Tiberius Rexius wrote: ... defence bonus would be % boost ammount and shield resist % ammount ...
Get out. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
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Posted - 2015.02.20 15:07:36 -
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I'm personally thrilled for my future Mega-Harpy or 10mn LML rageboat.
There really isn't much CCP can do to make this one not-amazing to the point of quite easily being problematic unless they seriously break the mold on what Caldari ships usually do or just make it bad. |
Aursentris
Council of Stellar Erections
5
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Posted - 2015.02.20 16:14:42 -
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Caldari Tactical Destroyer Bonuses Per Level: 5% bonus to Smartbomb damage 10% bonus to Smartbomb optimal range 10% bonus to Afterburner velocity bonus
Role Bonus: Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 15 seconds
Additional bonuses are available when one of three Tactical Destroyer Modes are active. Modes may be changed no more than once every 10 seconds. Defense Mode: 60% bonus to shield resistances while Defense Mode is active 200% bonus to smartbomb damage Propulsion Mode: 40% bonus to maximum velocity while Propulsion Mode is active 25% bonus to Afterburner speed while Propulsion Mode is active Sharpshooter Mode: 100% bonus to Smartbomb optimal range while Sharpshooter Mode is active 60% bonus to the capacitor recharge rate while Sharpshooter Mode is active |
Agent Unknown
Night Theifs DamnedNation
23
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Posted - 2015.02.20 16:46:12 -
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Aursentris wrote:Caldari Tactical Destroyer Bonuses Per Level: 5% bonus to Smartbomb damage 10% bonus to Smartbomb optimal range 10% bonus to Afterburner velocity bonus
Role Bonus: Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 15 seconds
Additional bonuses are available when one of three Tactical Destroyer Modes are active. Modes may be changed no more than once every 10 seconds. Defense Mode: 60% bonus to shield resistances while Defense Mode is active 200% bonus to smartbomb damage Propulsion Mode: 40% bonus to maximum velocity while Propulsion Mode is active 25% bonus to Afterburner speed while Propulsion Mode is active Sharpshooter Mode: 100% bonus to Smartbomb optimal range while Sharpshooter Mode is active 60% bonus to the capacitor recharge rate while Sharpshooter Mode is active
15km standard smartbombs in sharpshooter? Sign me up. |
Mary Killigrew
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.02.20 16:47:52 -
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I wish CCP was this innovative. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
483
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Posted - 2015.02.22 10:15:22 -
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Hagika wrote:Caldari already has 2 missile destroyers and only 1 hybrid. The new T3 Dessie should be rail fit with ridiculous range.
And then what will the gallente destroyer be? A glorified algos?
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
559
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Posted - 2015.02.22 23:33:40 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Hagika wrote:Caldari already has 2 missile destroyers and only 1 hybrid. The new T3 Dessie should be rail fit with ridiculous range. And then what will the gallente destroyer be? A glorified algos?
Pocket Vexor / Pocket Deimos would both be perfectly good options. |
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Shelom Severasse
Burning Alder
50
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Posted - 2015.02.23 04:45:22 -
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Jallukola wrote:Yes it's a bit early to talk about this, but I wonder what sort of bonuses should the ship see. Purists and history lovers would argue missile systems over hybrids, but I think Claradi has already plenty of missile boats at disposal, and Caldari deserves more hybird platform love IMO.
When the time comes, Gallente can keep their drone bonuses for all I care like they have for ages already, but I think purism with Caldari's T3 would be a waste.
But I also feel this would be a perfect opportunity to break a certain formula; Yes all 4 factions have access to Drone capabilities, and out of the 4 factions, 3 have Missile ships. Perharps CCP should blow a hole unto this titanic instead let it be miscruised. Give Caldari their Hybrid bonuses in time, but make Gallente's T3 Destroyer a Missile Ship. this is a horrible idea.
amarr should be laser oriented minmatar should be projectile oriented caldari should be missile oriented and gallente should be hybrid oriented |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2015.02.23 05:14:16 -
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my bets are on 50km AOE ECM burst in defense mode
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
378
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Posted - 2015.02.23 05:23:19 -
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Shelom Severasse wrote:Jallukola wrote:Yes it's a bit early to talk about this, but I wonder what sort of bonuses should the ship see. Purists and history lovers would argue missile systems over hybrids, but I think Claradi has already plenty of missile boats at disposal, and Caldari deserves more hybird platform love IMO.
When the time comes, Gallente can keep their drone bonuses for all I care like they have for ages already, but I think purism with Caldari's T3 would be a waste.
But I also feel this would be a perfect opportunity to break a certain formula; Yes all 4 factions have access to Drone capabilities, and out of the 4 factions, 3 have Missile ships. Perharps CCP should blow a hole unto this titanic instead let it be miscruised. Give Caldari their Hybrid bonuses in time, but make Gallente's T3 Destroyer a Missile Ship. this is a horrible idea. amarr should be laser oriented minmatar should be projectile oriented caldari should be missile oriented and gallente should be hybrid oriented Firstly, let me say that I would be thrilled if the Caldari D3 is missile oriented. Now, with that out of the way I do not expect it to be. Call me a pessimist but I fully expect it to be a mini-Naga, fitting rails and getting a bonus to optimal in sharpshooter, or some other bonus that serves the Caldari seconday weapon system of hybrids. If it is not a mini-Naga, which I doubt, but instead is a missile boat I expect it will be largely underpowered and niche, and overall better off forgotten since it it my personal opinion that there are those at CCP who are not big fans of missiles. Now, that might seem like a rant, and it is, but I think it will probably prove to be accurate. Unless they go really wonky and make it some sort of EWAR boat, in which case the better decision will likely, as it always is, to bring a Falcon.
What would I like to see? Well, if it is a LML boat the forums will alight with cries of OP before there are 10 of them in game, so it would have to be a rocket boat to even have a chance. Sharpshooter should increase rocket range significantly, I would prefer rocket velocity over flight time. Defensive mode is tricky, but missiles are usually touted as a small gang ship, benefiting from help, so why not give it a boost to the increase from shield extenders in defensive mode? This would let it survive until reps land without the **** storm of giving it resists. As for the zippy mode, I really have no idea.
As always, have a nice day |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
107
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Posted - 2015.02.23 15:19:04 -
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i would love if they went crazy and did a mini naga. a true mini naga. as in, medium guns on a dessie, making it more of a cruiser pack hunter rather than a frig genocide machine like the rest of the dessies. ss mode (renamed "imma murder you" mode), activating bonus to medium guns (crappy unbonused in other modes), defensive mode and speed mode there pretty much to get in optimal range and oh sh!t button
but, realistically, i'm expecting something like, bonus to shield boost in def mode / reduction in shield boost cap cost, bonus to point range in sharpshooter mode since they already did gun range and tracking bonus.
speed mode, well, it being a squid ship, i'm gonna expect some sort of warp core stabs like bonus |
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Senex Legio The Old Contemptibles
274
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Posted - 2015.02.23 18:01:46 -
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First - hybrids are not the Caldari "secondary weapon system." It's just as much a Caldari primary weapon system as missiles.
For that reason, I hope the Caldari T3 is hybrid/rail based; maybe a tracking bonus in sharpshooter mode (since we know rails have fairly horrible tracking - not the worst, but not great). Defense mode, I think either a shield resist bonus or perhaps cap usage reduction on shield booster use. Propulsion mode - I like the idea of a warp speed bonus - not as fast as an interceptor, obviously, but maybe on par or a little faster than your basic frigates.
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Oscae
Kitchen Sink Kapitals
27
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Posted - 2015.02.24 09:13:06 -
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I really hope it's a missile boat, what with missiles being the primary Caldari weapons system, I think there are too many hybrid Caldari boats as is and I would not like to see the D3 become another.
It just becomes a wasted opportunity, like the Naga, which would have put a cruise/torp BC into the game but now we have two hybrid boats where you either chose range or damage.
I couldn't deal if there were two hybrid D3s it would just make them bland and uninteresting, at least to me.
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
485
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Posted - 2015.02.24 11:33:21 -
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If the caldari D3 does get missiles then it should get a missile speed and range bonus in sharp shooter mode, as well as a reduction to missile explosion radius.
as for what else it get's I frankly couldn't give a damn, the biggest problem with missile vessels has always been targets outrunning your missiles (which is patently ridiculous, the acceleration of a missile in vacuum would be many times higher than a ship and the top speed over a given distance would be much higher too)
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Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2015.02.24 12:22:22 -
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ccp will troll caldari community once again with hybrid-guns hull :D
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1596
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Posted - 2015.02.24 15:46:42 -
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Bienator II wrote:my bets are on 50km AOE ECM burst in defense mode
If the ECM strenght on this burst was high, I can already feel my teeth shredding to dust as I grind them while resisting the urge to scream at people bitching about logi not repping them... |
Kamahl Daikun
Back To Basics.
42
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Posted - 2015.02.25 00:01:50 -
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I hope it's an ECM Boat.
Biggest problem with ECM Boats is how paper thin they are. Most mid slots are going to ECM with 1-2 left over to prop and enough buffer to not get one-shotted.
T3 Dessie's Defense Mode should give a bonus to ECM. Also enough Lows to Armor Tank. Speed won't be a problem in Prop mode. Sniper mode could give something stupid like 100km+ ECM Projection.
Because when you have 1 tank mod, range and speed help. |
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Jallukola
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Posted - 2015.02.25 00:07:11 -
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Perharps this is just what New Eden needs, a pocket sized Scorpion. Getting primaried wouldn't hurt that much either, 'cause quicker to leg it.
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Zorni Kat'chu
CosmoTeK LTD La Division Bleue
0
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Posted - 2015.02.25 21:27:43 -
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I doubt that because the other T3 did not receive a bonus on their E-War racial bonuses.
My guess would be a missile boat with some speed bonus on the missiles (like the Garmur or Orthrus) or a bonus on the explosion velocity to make it a snipping monster against frigs.
But I would really like a railgun boat just because I love railgun.
Anyway, I will fly this ship regardless of it's bonuses and I would love a sneak peak at the final design ! |
AOSA
Atreidun Order
4
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Posted - 2015.02.26 06:13:58 -
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CCP wants to break the monotony of the typical ship systems but then they don't. I have to say I like this talk of an ECM destroyer. or Smartbomb. LOLz. Heads will roll and hearts will burst from that one if it were to happen.
Also, mega veldspar asteroids/ice comets as probable large Ore Sites FTW! |
Claud Tiberius
Fidelas Constans
100
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Posted - 2015.02.26 09:48:10 -
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The Caldari Tactical Destroyer will probably be a missile boat. I hope. Rockets and Light Missiles galore.
Because the Confessor has energy turrets (primary weapon system for Amarr) and the Svipul has projectile turrets (primary weapon system for Minmatar). So with the primary weapon system for Caldari being missiles, its only logical the destroyer will have missiles. Gallente will probably be a mix of hybrid and drones, or just fully drones.
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Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
27
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Posted - 2015.03.26 14:49:18 -
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Any news on this? I was expecting the Caldari Dessi to come with the next release, but nothing was announced;( Did I miss something?
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Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
21
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:51:52 -
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Caldari one will be pale rail sniper.
Gallente will be ******** overpowered overtanked heavy plate capable death machine with drones, utility slots and generous fitting options, gaining ability to chase ceptors with heavy drones in "Sharpshooter" mode, permarunning 10MN MWD in propulsion mode and getting resists both to armor and hull in defence mode. Offcourse, every user of it will claim that it's "perfectly balanced", that it takes high skills to fly them perfectly and that it's hard to fly since you don't just let the dogs drones out on it. |
Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
1498
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Posted - 2015.03.26 17:40:08 -
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Did you even listen to anything at all from fanfest?
I wear my goggles at night.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1332
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Posted - 2015.03.26 18:46:36 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Did you even listen to anything at all from fanfest?
Oh come on, it's not like they laid out exactly what the bonuses would be for both the Jackdaw and Hecate. I don't even think they gave them names or revealed what they look like.
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Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
27
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Posted - 2015.03.26 19:20:32 -
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I was on vacation, tried to catch up... But there is quite a lot of video material to scan through if you are just looking for this bit of information =D And yea was wondering of looks, weapons, release...
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1332
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Posted - 2015.03.26 19:36:35 -
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Flash Thomson wrote:I was on vacation, tried to catch up... But there is quite a lot of video material to scan through if you are just looking for this bit of information =D And yea was wondering of looks, weapons, release...
Stats
Looks
The Cal one, the Jackdaw, comes out in June. The Gal D3, the Hecate, is penciled in for release in July.
Hope you had a nice vacation
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Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
27
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Posted - 2015.03.26 22:15:40 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Flash Thomson wrote:I was on vacation, tried to catch up... But there is quite a lot of video material to scan through if you are just looking for this bit of information =D And yea was wondering of looks, weapons, release... StatsLooksThe Cal one, the Jackdaw, comes out in June. The Gal D3, the Hecate, is penciled in for release in July. Hope you had a nice vacation
Thank you!
Vac was greaT :)
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Alexstrazaas
Perkone Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2015.03.26 23:27:25 -
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I am a caldari....
AND I HOPE TO GOD IT'S A HYBRID BOAT!
i got maxxed out hybrid skills.
**** MISSILES! i was using hybrids before they were even buffed |
Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
27
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Posted - 2015.03.27 11:13:15 -
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Alexstrazaas wrote:I am a caldari....
AND I HOPE TO GOD IT'S A HYBRID BOAT!
i got maxxed out hybrid skills.
**** MISSILES! i was using hybrids before they were even buffed
As I used to be a Caldari Mission Pilot, with great Missile skills, I decided to max out missiles just in case =D
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract O X I D E
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:11:21 -
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Flash Thomson wrote:Alexstrazaas wrote:I am a caldari....
AND I HOPE TO GOD IT'S A HYBRID BOAT!
i got maxxed out hybrid skills.
**** MISSILES! i was using hybrids before they were even buffed As I used to be a Caldari Mission Pilot, with great Missile skills, I decided to max out missiles just in case =D Just in case missiles became slightly relevant again? lol I'm just glad it's not a mini-Naga hybrid boat, that would be the last thing we need and would, in my opinion, show clear bias on the part of the Devs/balance team |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:17:34 -
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It will almost definitely be a missile boat since the Confessor and Svipul are gun boats and Gallente do not fit missiles. I cannot imagine them leaving out missiles entirely from the D3 lineup.
edit - Ah, they did announce the stats.
There are all our dominion
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Hagika
Doughboys Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.03.28 01:14:19 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Flash Thomson wrote:I was on vacation, tried to catch up... But there is quite a lot of video material to scan through if you are just looking for this bit of information =D And yea was wondering of looks, weapons, release... StatsLooksThe Cal one, the Jackdaw, comes out in June. The Gal D3, the Hecate, is penciled in for release in July. Hope you had a nice vacation
Hmm gallente one will have a massive tank and the caldari one is horribly weak and missiles tend to suck..I had hopes for it being a rail boat but seems ccp loves for caldari to suck. |
Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.28 07:40:22 -
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Alexstrazaas wrote:I am a caldari....
AND I HOPE TO GOD IT'S A HYBRID BOAT!
i got maxxed out hybrid skills.
**** MISSILES! i was using hybrids before they were even buffed
Just level Gallente Destroyers to 5 and use that one. Only takes about a week of training. |
Alexstrazaas
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.28 16:47:32 -
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Niobe Song wrote:Alexstrazaas wrote:I am a caldari....
AND I HOPE TO GOD IT'S A HYBRID BOAT!
i got maxxed out hybrid skills.
**** MISSILES! i was using hybrids before they were even buffed Just level Gallente Destroyers to 5 and use that one. Only takes about a week of training.
already have that as i had destroyer 5 before they split it |
Darth Bex
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.03.30 02:36:16 -
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We can be certain of one thing. It won't have enough CPU.
Because.... why start now? |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract O X I D E
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Posted - 2015.03.31 01:20:53 -
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Darth Bex wrote:We can be certain of one thing. It won't have enough CPU.
Because.... why start now? All you need to do is fit a Co-Processor in half of your low slots and you'll be fine, just like a Corax or Flycatcher. And by fine I mean a novelty. |
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Atomeon
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.31 21:47:26 -
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They both gonna suck, i dont like the slots layout. 6 mids for Caldari = tank + tackle/prop but 2 lows not gonna help with damage. 4,4 slots for Gallente nothing enough to specialize on tank, tackle/prop, dps. You armor tank it? no slots for mag stabs. You shield tank it ? No + tackle/prop. |
Sinclair Spectrum ZX
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.03 11:00:11 -
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These new destroyers are a bad idea. They just make a bunch of other ships redundant, just like the T3 cruisers did. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.04.03 12:16:53 -
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Atomeon wrote:They both gonna suck, i dont like the slots layout. 6 mids for Caldari = tank + tackle/prop but 2 lows not gonna help with damage. 4,4 slots for Gallente nothing enough to specialize on tank, tackle/prop, dps. You armor tank it? no slots for mag stabs. You shield tank it ? No + tackle/prop.
You lack of experience on how to narrow fit ships? |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.04.03 12:17:43 -
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Sinclair Spectrum ZX wrote:These new destroyers are a bad idea. They just make a bunch of other ships redundant, just like the T3 cruisers did.
Please give some details on your statement. |
Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
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Posted - 2015.04.03 23:26:54 -
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Hagika wrote: Hmm gallente one will have a massive tank and the caldari one is horribly weak and missiles tend to suck..I had hopes for it being a rail boat but seems ccp loves for caldari to suck.
I beg to differ. Shield resist bonus + Sig radius bonus makes these things a pain to hit, and the high resists make active repping even more effective than on the Svipul, which can absorb a ton of damage itself.
Missiles and rockets exchange raw dmg per second for flawless damage application and fairly high volley damage that punches through active reps.
Also looks like you will be able to 10MN it like the others, while the Hecate only gets a bonus to mwd speed and cap use. So it looks like you ended up with a baby Tengu after all.
The Hecate is going to be awesome, but hybrids require proper range and tracking. If the Jackdaw can manage those issues, which shouldn't be a problem, then your complaints are invalid.
Although.... They ARE saving the best for last..... |
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:16:11 -
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I'm cautiously optimistic that the Jackdaw will be a hit. I like the layout for it to serve as a rocket/shield brawler or possibly a more finesse, kiting type role.
I also don't think it makes other ships redundant as there is always the cost-benefit analysis to be done. You won't buy a Jackdaw for suicide ganking since the price is likely to be equal to a dozen or more T1 destroyers. It also doesn't touch T2's since the roles are completely different.
Will be buying a Jackdaw on day 1. |
Terra Chrall
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.08 14:54:07 -
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Sinclair Spectrum ZX wrote:These new destroyers are a bad idea. They just make a bunch of other ships redundant, just like the T3 cruisers did. This is a poor argument. T2 Frigates make T1 Frigates redundant too. Should we not have T2 frigates? You pay more for an advanced ship. T1 frigates/destroyers are cheap; T2/T3 cost more and are more powerful. T3 destroyers will be used by those that can afford them to replace the lower tiers. The lower tiers will be used when cost is a factor. So what ships are being made redundant in the same or higher price tier? |
Terra Chrall
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.08 15:47:03 -
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Fenris Orion wrote:Hagika wrote: Hmm gallente one will have a massive tank and the caldari one is horribly weak and missiles tend to suck..I had hopes for it being a rail boat but seems ccp loves for caldari to suck.
Missiles and rockets exchange raw dmg per second for flawless damage application and fairly high volley damage that punches through active reps.
Some people think missiles suck because they have damage application issues against speed and small signatures. Don't confuse not affected by tracking as = 100% application. This page is a little dated but explains how missile damage if affected by ship speed and signature radius: UniWiki Missile Damage
Quote:Also looks like you will be able to 10MN it like the others, while the Hecate only gets a bonus to mwd speed and cap use. So it looks like you ended up with a baby Tengu after all.
Since fiiting specs have not been released and fitting nerfs on current T3D announced it is less likely that 10MN will be a standard fit without some other sacrafice
Edit: With all that said, I still plan on training for and using a Jackdaw. I think they will be a fun ship. And rockets and light missiles are affected the least by damage application issues. If we can oversize prop it that would be great , but for PvE a MWD will work just fine. |
Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.11 06:04:17 -
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Terra Chrall wrote:Sinclair Spectrum ZX wrote:These new destroyers are a bad idea. They just make a bunch of other ships redundant, just like the T3 cruisers did. This is a poor argument. T2 Frigates make T1 Frigates redundant too. Should we not have T2 frigates? You pay more for an advanced ship. T1 frigates/destroyers are cheap; T2/T3 cost more and are more powerful. T3 destroyers will be used by those that can afford them to replace the lower tiers. The lower tiers will be used when cost is a factor. So what ships are being made redundant in the same or higher price tier (50m+)?
^Science right there^
It's all opportunity-cost with T2/3 vessels. On one hand, you're getting better performance. On the other, you're likely paying many many times the price for the more advanced ship. In most cases, if you have a fairly steady stream of income - whether it be ratting when not in corp/alliance fleets or mining/trading/indy - the more advanced ship is the worthwhile investment. If you're constantly PvP'ing with little interest in making ISK, then its a tougher choice.
Skill and location should also come into play. Be honest with yourself, if you're fairly inexperienced at PvP, then don't bother with the costly T2 - you're probably going to lose a number of ships before you begin to consistently win your fights. |
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