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Gun Kata F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.06 12:25:00 - [61] Edited by: Gun Kata on 06/10/2006 12:24:59 I wonder if this guy got what he wanted? "Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a f*** how crazy they are."
Resetgun Caldari Caldari Space Ammunition	Posted - 2006.10.06 12:45:00 - [62] Originally by: Gun Kata Edited by: Gun Kata on 06/10/2006 12:24:59 I wonder if this guy got what he wanted? Is that stupid or crazy when you are paying ú1120 (=1805Ç / 2290$) from the game character? http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0609/abcdefg.jpg Minmatar, Female, Sebiestor, Data of Birth: 2003.05.08 2006.09.19: 42 578 648 skill points. Anyone can recognize character? "As long as there are greedy people and the devs do nothing, it will work." - Dentara Rast, billionaire
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.10.06 12:46:00 - [63] ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Gun Kata F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.06 12:48:00 - [64] Originally by: Splagada Could you repeat that please? "Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a f*** how crazy they are."
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.10.06 13:03:00 - [65] tried to express my feelings with some nuances :p ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Roxors Caldari Solar Wind Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 13:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Complacency's Bane Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 05/10/2006 18:03:53 I would cancel all of my accounts the second it was announced. I want to play a game, I dont want to play 'who's got the bigger credit limit'. GTCs are already bad enough. k thx bye.. can i have your stuff? good call to the OP though.. so far sony is the only company that has this figured it out.. what people (like the poster i quoted) dont understand is that it ALREADY happens.. they might as well cancel thier account right now cause its already in place.. the only difference is that ccp doesnt get a cut of the action for auction fee's. then again.. CCP isn't exactly "Mr. Current Events".. they completely missed the bus on the interface as well. anyone seen WoW's interface? a model for the industry if you ask me. give them the basics they need to play the game and let the players make little xml widgets. anyway.. to the OP. your absolutly right. this is one of a few things CCP could do but cant/wont/dont/etc. im not sure if its elitist purist pride, or lack of man power but its definatly not cool.. thankfully the political interaction in the game mixed with ccp's refusal to hold hands makes eve a good game. ----------- Originally by: jellybelly2 My alt has seen 9 titans.

wystler Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.10.06 13:59:00 - [67] Originally by: Forsch That's because mining is boring. In the perfect game there shouldn't be boring things you have to do to advance. It's boring to you. Chribba on the other hand, enjoys mining Veldspar quite a lot. Enough that he does it in a Dreadnaught. eve-crc.net \| forum rules \| c.a.o.d forum rules \| [email protected] Official keeper of the smilie. Yarr!

Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.10.06 16:41:00 - [68] Think mining is boring? start mining in someone elses 0.0. Then kill them with badgers and covetors
Phalyssa Truixim	Posted - 2006.10.06 17:12:00 - [69] I kinda laugh when I see all the people who say they will quit if something like this is implemented. Trading game codes for ISK is the same thing. If CCP really cared about this, they wouldn't allow that to occur and they would take a more agressive stance on both the sellers and buyers. I really mean no disrespect to CCP. This is their business and they can run it however they think is best. So, Eve already allows a form of RMT. If CCP allowed buying of ISK, it wouldn't make much of a difference. The forum moderator really didn't make any sense to me when they said it would mess up the economy. It COULD, but it depends on the implementation. If they allowed the player community to buy/sell from each other and CCP just took a cut, it wouldn't mess with the economy at all. If you don't agree with this, then people shouldn't be allowed to transfer ISK to others; it is the same thing. I don't buy the single server excuse either. This all could be integrated in to TQ. Of course, the negative impact would be from all the people trying to make money to earn a profit. All the macro miners and aggressive tactics that ruin the game for people who want to play it. These people are already here, I think it would just get worse. It's hard to know how much CCP does to combat these people as we don't learn the specifics about bans. I would hope they would be agressive about this sort of thing even if it means they get paid by one less account. In summary, if you don't like RMT, then you should be against Eve's GTC system. More obvious RMT (direct cash -> ISK exchange) can be done by companies in a way that does not destroy the economy. I would be a little worried about people playing the game for profit (already going on, but don't want to increase this activity). I applaud that some MMORPGs are trying this as it cuts down heavily on people getting scammed. I thought SOE did a fine job with FFXI...I don't really think they killed SWG....it was sort of doomed by design from the start (and then doubly doomed when they changed the whole dang game). I know I am stating unpopular opinions here...I just think people spout off "me too" posts without actually applying any intelligence towards the problem. The world is rarely so black and white.
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.06 17:31:00 - [70] Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 06/10/2006 17:33:22 Originally by: Roxors good call to the OP though.. so far sony is the only company that has this figured it out.. what people (like the poster i quoted) dont understand is that it ALREADY happens.. they might as well cancel thier account right now cause its already in place.. the only difference is that ccp doesnt get a cut of the action for auction fee's. Murder happens. Why don't we just let the police start killing people for a fee, that way we can cut taxes. Just because something already occurs doesnt mean its a good idea to leagalize and condone it. The second you say "OK, RMT is cool", EVE is no longer a game (where people are cheating), but a hobby where the person with the biggest credit limit wins. Cheating in games is unavoidable - writing cheating into the rules means that its no longer a "game" I want to play. I canceled my soe account the second they announced Station Exchange, I'll cancel my EVE accounts if CCP announces they're doing the same. GTC sales are already discouraging enough. Originally by: Phalyssa Truixim In summary, if you don't like RMT, then you should be against Eve's GTC system. I am very against GTCs already. If it was up to me, I'd make it illegal, and ban anyone who has ever bought or sold a GTC.
Erika Hulme 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:18:00 - [71] I would like to tell you what i think about station exchange very much, but theres enough smack and trolling about it on the Corp&Alliance forums already
Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:28:00 - [72] someone nerfed the thread title....points to wrangler
Nexus1972 VakAtioth	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:32:00 - [73] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 05/10/2006 18:04:24 CCP should NEVER allow players to make actual money by selling ingame goods, period. They already do. 1) Sell item ingame for isk 2) buy GTC card of these very forums for that isk 3) sell that gtc code on ebay You arent even breaking their rules - and there is nothing they can do unless they finaly realise that GTC - ISK trading is wrong. If they want players that are rich ingame to get to play for free, then CCP should setup mechanics in game to provide GTC to those poor players directly. -------------------------------- CEO of Cosmos Operations Building COSMOS Minmatar BPC's and supplying Sleeper components
Alessar Kaldorei Caldari Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:37:00 - [74] I really like what CCP have done with the GTC sales. I think it's the most elegant way to solve the problem (of sellers ruining the experience for others by turning the game into a job) they could have implemented. What I don't understand is the position of people that don't like it. Some claim that it's a way to let RL cash influence the game. I don't know what game these people have been playing, but even without RMT and GTCs, that already happens. Every time someone logs in with more than one account, they're taking advantage of the fact they have more money to spend opn the game to get a large advantage. Considering an account can make well over 200M ISK per month, this is a more efficient way of turning RL cash into ISK. All else being equal (meaning, skill and time to play), the person with the most accounts have an advantage, which ussualy means the people with more money has an advantage. Not to mention, the more accounts you can efficiently run at the same time, the better off you are. That means that again, all other things being equal (number of accounts, skill, playing time) a single very good computer, or several less good ones, are better when playing than a single less good computer. Again, the people with the better RL hardware are those with the most RL cash, which are the ones with the most RL cash. Another aspect of RL cash influencing the game is you connection speed. Ussualy, the person with the best connection experiences the least lag. Less lag is a definite advantage, I'm sure we can all agree with this. And who has the better connection? Yep, that's right. The person with the most RL cash to spend on the game are the ones that will ussualy have the better connection. So, their RL cash is giving them a definite advantage. Again. The problem with RMT is one of perception. People who don't like it and threaten to leave if RL cash begins influencing the game are simply missing all the other ways RL cash influences the game. They see the 'obvious' way it can affect them, and ignore the rest. This makes people sound like hypocrites when they condemn RMT, while at the same time using 3 alt accounts to play the game. At best, they sound ignorant and foolish. And I mean it in the best way possible. The real problem with RMT is when you can turn it into cash directly, because it makes the game a job, and then casual players find all the hot spots for getting the stuff they want taken by people who aren't playing. RL cash will always influence the game. So long as your experience isn't affected, however, it shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. Who cares if the guy with the raven pwning you got the ship after a day of grinding or after he payed someone to grind for him? The important part is that the grind was done by someone who wants to play. GTCs solve this issue. The problem is that CCP can't regulate the sale of GTCs for real cash by third parties. If they did, then GTCs would be the perfect answer to RMT. It limits supply, because noone is going to buy more GTc than the time they intend to play the game, and since it can't be turned to cash 'professionals' stay away from the game. The GTC system could use some refinement, to solve this issue. There are a lot of suggestions for this in the different forums. Hopefully CCP will fix it some day, and the problem will be furthewr reduced.
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.06 20:09:00 - [75] Originally by: Alessar Kaldorei The problem with RMT is one of perception. People who don't like it and threaten to leave if RL cash begins influencing the game are simply missing all the other ways RL cash influences the game. They see the 'obvious' way it can affect them, and ignore the rest. Pure equality is a laudable, but ultimately impossible standard. Not allowing what is essentially cheating to be written directly into the rules just so the people running the game can take a cut is not an impossible standard. I'll make an analogy with another game I happen to play rather often - Ice hockey. Some people go out and spend thousands of dollars on equipment. That gives them an advantage, but you know what? If youre better then someone else, it doesnt matter how much money they spent on gear, youre going to beat them. If the referees decide that they arent being paid enough, and offer to sell penalty shots for $100 apiece, well then I have a ******* PROBLEM with that. Its essentially the same thing in EVE - reguardless of accounts or computer specs, if youre better then someone, youre probably going to get the win. If you let people start buying wins, well, you might as well just stop calling it a game, introduce a Visa Crucible, and pretend that anything besides your credit limit actually matters.
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.07 06:46:00 - [76] Originally by: Sosus Red Originally by: Complacency's Bane Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 05/10/2006 18:03:53 I would cancel all of my accounts the second it was announced. I want to play a game, I dont want to play 'who's got the bigger credit limit'. GTCs are already bad enough. You would cancel your game? Sorry to break it to you, this already occurs. There is a vibrant black market. Just go to ebay and search for EVE Online. I dont agre with it, but it cant be stopped. ** yes I would. I canceled my EQ2 account because of the introduction of the station exchange. It just cheapened the whole game for me, really. If the devs aren't going to bother to FIGHT THIS MARKET TILL THE LAST BREATH, I'm not going to bother to pay my subscrption. The other day, I found out that someone I know was Ebaying gold and buying powerleveling in WoW. I punched him in the face and reported him. I have reported potential corpmates who have mentioned that they Ebay isk and have seen to it that their apps were denied. RMT. MUST. DIE. @Phalyssa Truixim: Yes. I am. Any questions? "They already DO LOL!" isn't a valid response. CCP endorsing RMT will only make it worse. That said, however, if such a RMT system was ever implemented in Eve, I would make a corp dedicated solely to pod killing RMTers and popping their cans. It might even make it sweeter to know that I just popped their $100 dollar ship, really. Might even be more satisfying that those macrominer kills because I know that I'm personally **ing off the guy who just spent real life cash to buy that ship. Signature graphic removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the graphic in question) - Jacques([email protected])
Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.07 07:31:00 - [77] Edited by: Sosus Red on 07/10/2006 07:33:30 Edited by: Sosus Red on 07/10/2006 07:32:09 you're naive Quote: The other day, I found out that someone I know was Ebaying gold and buying powerleveling in WoW. Quote: I have reported potential corpmates who have mentioned that they Ebay isk and have seen to it that their apps were denied you actaully have friends? If they were corpmates already, how were thier apps denied?
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.07 07:52:00 - [78] Edited by: Nerf Caldari on 07/10/2006 07:53:24 Originally by: Sosus Red Edited by: Sosus Red on 07/10/2006 07:46:26 you're naive. Quote: The other day, I found out that someone I know was Ebaying gold and buying powerleveling in WoW. I punched him in the face and reported him. Quote: I have reported potential corpmates who have mentioned that they Ebay isk and have seen to it that their apps were denied you actually have friends? If they were corpmates already, how were thier apps denied? From dictionary.com: "potential --- capable of being or becoming: a potential danger to safety." Remember kids, don't flame people on the forms just because you don't know what a word means! Signature graphic removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the graphic in question) - Jacques([email protected])
Lygos ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.07 07:53:00 - [79] Aesthetically, RMT is somewhat repugnant. However, I have not seen any conclusive evidence that RMT can have any effect upon a true player driven economy, and further that any effect should be considered harmful beyond a cycle of market adjustments. Even in the event of hyperinflation, a true player-driven MMOG should overcome the "new content" effortlessly. Only fixed incomes from npcs and other server objects would suffer, but those are meaningless and primitive game development anyhow. I'm practically a bleedin' commie and even I can accept this. ECM
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2006.10.07 07:56:00 - [80] Edited by: Akkarin Pagan on 07/10/2006 07:57:27 Personally, I am against the RMT generally, but GTC selling doesn't bother me too much, as CCP get their money for playing time. Isk /= the win, skills and tactics do. I have taken down far more expensive ships with more expensive setups in a cheaper ship before. AFAIK there is not a large percentage of people who do it, so the economy remains unafected by the few people who do it regularly. With Isk selling becoming legal, the economy of TQ will face severe inflation. Think that 200 mill + is too much for a HAC, what will happen if people can buy the isk they need? HAC prices will rise, meaning that there are 2 (or even 3 but I'll come to that) ways to aquire a HAC! 1. Buy the isk or 2. Own a HAC BPO. The HAC is just an example, inflation would cause the value of isk in game to decrease, making it more expensive to buy the harder to get items for the player without stacks of real life money to burn on the game. With item trading this then comes back down a bit, as you can then use option 3. and Buy your HAC for real life money. This then means that many HACS will change hands over "station exchange" or E-Bay instead of through the market, making it even harder for "honest" / poorer (in rl) players to aquire one. Myself, I'm not incredibly well off in RL, I cannot justify or afford to buy items or isk with RL money. Why should I be punished for not having a well paying job. I pay the subscription just as everyone else playing does, why should I get a poorer gaming experience becuase I cannot afford to buy a HAC (or other item)with RL money? I have to work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, I have to sleep a similar amount (but 7 days a week), and the other 8 hours a day are taken up with travelling, eating etc. leaving me only 3 to 4 hours a day to actually play EvE. Due to the fact that I enjoy the teamwork side of things, I'm often helping out the corp for zero or little iskatory (is it even a real word?) reward, so only on the weekends do I get time to grind out isk (face it, it may be well disguised but it is still grinding). But wait, I have to help defend the alliance space I live in, so I spend the weekend evenings pvping (which I fortunateley enjoy ), so the amount of time I have to actually earn isk is very limited. Luckily I have built up a fair few assets, and usually fly frigates in pvp (T2 natch). With a devaluation of the isk I would have to work even longer (in game) to afford the expensive toys, making the game less enjoyable. On top of this, the fool who just spent ú300 on his Machariel, would get his ass handed to me in a Tempest, because he probably bought his character pre-skilled too, so has no clue about how a Machariel can work, or how to fly / set it up. That's the only comfort in all of this. I'll be joining Nerf Caldari's new corp and ***** up rich peoples' days Akkarin EDIT:** Grammar Linkage <3 - Immy [green]Please resize image
Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.07 08:33:00 - [81] Edited by: Sosus Red on 07/10/2006 08:34:49 Originally by: Nerf Caldari Edited by: Nerf Caldari on 07/10/2006 07:53:24 Originally by: Sosus Red Edited by: Sosus Red on 07/10/2006 07:46:26 you're naive. Quote: The other day, I found out that someone I know was Ebaying gold and buying powerleveling in WoW. I punched him in the face and reported him. Quote: I have reported potential corpmates who have mentioned that they Ebay isk and have seen to it that their apps were denied you actually have friends? If they were corpmates already, how were thier apps denied? From dictionary.com: "potential --- capable of being or becoming: a potential danger to safety." Remember kids, don't flame people on the forms just because you don't know what a word means! lol omg, excuse me mr nooby exlamation point person. Maybe you should quit eve too, isk selling isk happening, go play auto assault, No one cares about that game so there is no market for the in game money....
Soriss	Posted - 2006.10.07 11:59:00 - [82] If people will be to get $$$ for ISK in a legal way. I belive that in 1-2 years this will follow. RL Corps will step in :P. I can imagine the situation: Hey I have a job as a tempest pilot. 300$ a month/8 hrs a day. Hey I need a good fleet commander 5.000$ a month. Hmmm the miners can't mine the nice ore. Send in a squad there. We need more systems to stripmine ... hmm Oky .. let's invest 20.000$ and conquer that region. ... 'Hey .. you're not paying me enough .. the competing corp has just offered me a salary of 6.000$ with health insurance + facilityes cellphone/car/corporate suite. Do I get a raise, or I go to the competition ?' :D. Hmm alocate the next week profits to build a titan .. we need better protection to our investition.

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