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Nynali Kurelem
Republic Development Solutions
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Posted - 2015.02.18 03:14:31 -
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Are there any other trusted 3rd party services other than Chribba and Darknesss people would recommend? Are they worth using or are you more likely just to get scammed? |
Kousaka Otsu Shigure
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Posted - 2015.02.18 03:30:40 -
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Why would you trust your assets to people with no reputation?
These guys have built up their good reputation in handling asset exchange so that you can trust their long history of transactions (with different kinds of people) as proof.
Just as you can view the long post histories of the regulars in GD.. hah.
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Juan Mileghere
Incident Command Southern Star Dominion
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Posted - 2015.02.18 04:16:21 -
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I'll take your stuff if you'd like... I'm honest, I will not give a single thing back. |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:22:53 -
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I always use Chribba's Veldspar Scrubbing Service. What exactly do you need a third-party service FOR? (Assuming it's not dangerous to ASK.)
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Hrothgar Nilsson
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:25:02 -
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You might get a better answer if you'd posted this in the Market Discussions forum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8
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Kousaka Otsu Shigure
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:37:43 -
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Serene Repose wrote:I always use Chribba's Veldspar Scrubbing Service. What exactly do you need a third-party service FOR? (Assuming it's not dangerous to ASK.)
Posting history says an Avatar.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:45:00 -
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As an official Agent of The New Order I am the woman you are looking for. As you may know the New Order of Highsec is the most trusted organisation in todays Highsec, which is the richest and most populated area of New Eden.
Please don't hesitate to contact me or any other New Order Agent in game if you need a trusted third-party. Our fees will depend on the ISK amount and the risk involved with the transaction, but we are always willing to negotiate.
Regards Agent Ima Wreckyou Trusted Knight of the New Order of Highsec * In James 315 we trust *
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Reiisha
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:55:34 -
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Kousaka Otsu Shigure wrote:Why would you trust your assets to people with no reputation?
These guys have built up their good reputation in handling asset exchange so that you can trust their long history of transactions (with different kinds of people) as proof.
Just as you can view the long post histories of the regulars in GD.. hah.
People don't start out with a good reputation... Chribba had years of 'community service' behind him which generated massive amounts of good will for example. If he wasn't known for that people probably wouldn't be trusting him this much.
I'd love to do this myself, but how do i convince complete strangers to trust me with that kind of cash? I can only give my word on that. I could point to the fact that i've never scammed anyone in all my time in this game, but is that enough?
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Kousaka Otsu Shigure
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Posted - 2015.02.18 08:15:18 -
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Reiisha wrote:Kousaka Otsu Shigure wrote:Why would you trust your assets to people with no reputation?
These guys have built up their good reputation in handling asset exchange so that you can trust their long history of transactions (with different kinds of people) as proof.
Just as you can view the long post histories of the regulars in GD.. hah. People don't start out with a good reputation... Chribba had years of 'community service' behind him which generated massive amounts of good will for example. If he wasn't known for that people probably wouldn't be trusting him this much. I'd love to do this myself, but how do i convince complete strangers to trust me with that kind of cash? I can only give my word on that. I could point to the fact that i've never scammed anyone in all my time in this game, but is that enough?
Haha, its funny how you mention 'years of community service' and then ask how to convince others..
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
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Posted - 2015.02.18 08:17:12 -
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Darkness who?
Founder of the Graycember movement and LAGL's pet cat.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.02.18 08:38:08 -
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Grendell used to third party a lot and was in the ranks of darknesss and chribba but unsure if he still does it.I know Vaerah Vahrokha also did some third partying but then in regards to 'smaller amounts' but then that depends on what you would see as being 'a small amount' .
Can recommend both highly but in eve there is no such thing as a 100% security and yes chribbs that also inclused you .
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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2015.02.18 08:44:31 -
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Nynali Kurelem wrote:Are there any other trusted 3rd party services other than Chribba and Darknesss people would recommend? Are they worth using or are you more likely just to get scammed? There are some others:
Vaerah Vahrokha (not sure if he does supers, though) Grendell Fedaykin055
J'Poll:
EVE doesn't hand out cookies to you.
EVE kicks you down, steals your cookie and then laughs at you for bringing a cookie in the first place.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.18 08:55:33 -
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I can only recommend you do some research of the others that you may look into using to try and secure yourself from getting scammed.
A good article about becoming one, and possibly a way for you to check if said 3rd party indeed have put in the work can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=358639
Don't get rushed into things, there will always be more ships to buy and I can guarantee you that having to take a step back and maybe even look for a new seller for a few days is more worth it than losing all your ISK.
And for obvious reasons I cannot vouch for anyone else (regardless of what someone would say) simply because they are not under my control.
/c
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.02.18 08:55:54 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:As an official Agent of The New Order I am the woman you are looking for. As you may know the New Order of Highsec is the most trusted organisation in todays Highsec, which is the richest and most populated area of New Eden.
Please don't hesitate to contact me or any other New Order Agent in game if you need a trusted third-party. Our fees will depend on the ISK amount and the risk involved with the transaction, but we are always willing to negotiate.
Regards Agent Ima Wreckyou Trusted Knight of the New Order of Highsec * In James 315 we trust *
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Nynali Kurelem
Republic Development Solutions
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Posted - 2015.02.18 10:11:26 -
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I've always used Chribba. He's the only 3rd party I've ever used for super capital trades.
Maybe I'm paranoid, but I really don't feel like I can trust anyone (except for a select few players) in EVE.
Some sellers have pressured me to use their "trusted" 3rd parties and or friends and I always assume it's just a scam.
Based on my own research I did see Fedaykin055. He looks like an emerging 3rd party. He's done a lot of work for N3 and his 3rd party thread seems to have a lot of positive reviews from them, but he doesn't seem to have done a lot of public work yet. Anyone have dealings with him? |
Reiisha
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2015.02.18 10:15:16 -
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Kousaka Otsu Shigure wrote:Reiisha wrote:Kousaka Otsu Shigure wrote:Why would you trust your assets to people with no reputation?
These guys have built up their good reputation in handling asset exchange so that you can trust their long history of transactions (with different kinds of people) as proof.
Just as you can view the long post histories of the regulars in GD.. hah. People don't start out with a good reputation... Chribba had years of 'community service' behind him which generated massive amounts of good will for example. If he wasn't known for that people probably wouldn't be trusting him this much. I'd love to do this myself, but how do i convince complete strangers to trust me with that kind of cash? I can only give my word on that. I could point to the fact that i've never scammed anyone in all my time in this game, but is that enough? Haha, its funny how you mention 'years of community service' and then ask how to convince others..
I just mean, you don't just start up a 3rd party service straight away without having done that 'years of reputation building' thing. I haven't done it and honestly i'm not sure where i would start on something like that, or whether i even have the time or drive for it. Hence i'm not doing a 3rd party service. ;p
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:33:18 -
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Chribba wrote:
And for obvious reasons I cannot vouch for anyone else (regardless of what someone would say) simply because they are not under my control.
/c
But you could, you know. Using your unique position you could delegate some of the work by franchising your third party services quite easily:
1. Require a deposit from the person to be endorsed of say twice what a fitted titan is worth and hold it in escrow.. 2. Once said deposit is received by you, you can give the endorsement. 3. Once both parties report satisfaction with the transaction, you release the funds back to the franchisee.
That way moving money around is less time consuming for you, more people can transfer capitals relatively safely, and the trusted party won't have any financial incentive to rip anyone off otherwise they lose twice the value of a titan. Your reputation is preserved because if anything goes wrong you can reimburse both parties directly with the escrow funds. It could work - just sayin'. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:53:45 -
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Ptraci wrote:Chribba wrote:
And for obvious reasons I cannot vouch for anyone else (regardless of what someone would say) simply because they are not under my control.
/c
But you could, you know. Using your unique position you could delegate some of the work by franchising your third party services quite easily: 1. Require a deposit from the person to be endorsed of say twice what a fitted titan is worth and hold it in escrow.. 2. Once said deposit is received by you, you can give the endorsement. 3. Once both parties report satisfaction with the transaction, you release the funds back to the franchisee. That way moving money around is less time consuming for you, someone else can do the actual negotiation, POS set up, etc, more people can transfer capitals relatively safely, and the trusted party won't have any financial incentive to rip anyone off otherwise they lose twice the value of a titan. Your reputation is preserved because if anything goes wrong you can reimburse both parties directly with the escrow funds. It could work - just sayin'. I get many requests from pilots who want to act as a 3rd party by putting a deposit with me. I kindly decline all of them, because it's about the fact that I have no control over if they scam or not - not that the buyer/seller is covered. So regardless if I could pay a victim back, the fact that they got scammed is the problem.
So while I understand how you think, it doesn't prevent the scamming from happening, which is what my goal is to prevent
/c
GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà
Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'
Twitter @Chribba
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:01:22 -
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Ptraci wrote:Chribba wrote:
And for obvious reasons I cannot vouch for anyone else (regardless of what someone would say) simply because they are not under my control.
/c
But you could, you know. Using your unique position you could delegate some of the work by franchising your third party services quite easily: 1. Require a deposit from the person to be endorsed of say twice what a fitted titan is worth and hold it in escrow.. 2. Once said deposit is received by you, you can give the endorsement. 3. Once both parties report satisfaction with the transaction, you release the funds back to the franchisee. That way moving money around is less time consuming for you, someone else can do the actual negotiation, POS set up, etc, more people can transfer capitals relatively safely, and the trusted party won't have any financial incentive to rip anyone off otherwise they lose twice the value of a titan. Your reputation is preserved because if anything goes wrong you can reimburse both parties directly with the escrow funds. It could work - just sayin'.
Wich would make him a fourth party not a third making the chance of **** hitting the fence even higher.Say he holds collateral from the third party to cover two titans.All the other guy needs to do then is sell off 3 titans on different alts and arrange them to be on the same day having his main who is the third party acting entering to 'secure the deal' making his gains off of it one titan before word reaches chribba.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.18 13:59:23 -
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Ptraci wrote:Chribba wrote:
And for obvious reasons I cannot vouch for anyone else (regardless of what someone would say) simply because they are not under my control.
/c
But you could, you know. Using your unique position you could delegate some of the work by franchising your third party services quite easily: 1. Require a deposit from the person to be endorsed of say twice what a fitted titan is worth and hold it in escrow.. 2. Once said deposit is received by you, you can give the endorsement. 3. Once both parties report satisfaction with the transaction, you release the funds back to the franchisee. That way moving money around is less time consuming for you, someone else can do the actual negotiation, POS set up, etc, more people can transfer capitals relatively safely, and the trusted party won't have any financial incentive to rip anyone off otherwise they lose twice the value of a titan. Your reputation is preserved because if anything goes wrong you can reimburse both parties directly with the escrow funds. It could work - just sayin'.
Trust isn't built by requiring deposits from people. What you are describing is a foundation for distrust.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
1913
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:10:15 -
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Sibyyl wrote:
Trust isn't built by requiring deposits from people. What you are describing is a foundation for distrust.
I just figure if you can grab the balls in your hand, the other guy will do as you say until you let go. It works for banking, after all. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22494
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:14:34 -
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In RL it takes a bit more effort than a few clicks to create an alternate identity. In EVE it is trivial to do so.
You also can't multibox in RL.
Friendship is the best ship.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.02.18 14:44:57 -
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This thread has been moved to Market Discussions.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5651
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:51:35 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:Nynali Kurelem wrote:Are there any other trusted 3rd party services other than Chribba and Darknesss people would recommend? Are they worth using or are you more likely just to get scammed? There are some others: Vaerah Vahrokha (not sure if he does supers, though) Grendell Fedaykin055
Confirming I got asked several times to deal with Supers but I prefer doing what i am good at: market / business oriented services.
One does not become a safe Super 3rd party service in a day. You need to be trusted (not a problem) but then you need to know how to "move around" where these deals are done, to know the 1000 tricks (I know several but not all) people shall do to screw a Super trade over and generally to be respected by the parties involved.
On the other side, you don't become a safe Business / market related 3rd party service in a day either: large collaterals love to do all sort of funny things to those who hold them and don't know some actuarial and market analysis are really exposed to sensible risk.
So... each one to his best specialty
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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited Superior Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2015.02.18 20:11:15 -
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To clear things up I do still offer 3rd party services, but all my appointments have to be made by eve-mail as I don't log Grendell in that much.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4678
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Posted - 2015.02.18 23:19:57 -
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Sibyyl wrote: In RL it takes a bit more effort than a few clicks to create an alternate identity. In EVE it is trivial to do so.
You also can't multibox in RL.
It's not quite that trivial to make a false identity that holds up to a quick chat on voice comms. It is, however, easier than IRL.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5651
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Posted - 2015.02.19 03:23:25 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Sibyyl wrote: In RL it takes a bit more effort than a few clicks to create an alternate identity. In EVE it is trivial to do so.
You also can't multibox in RL.
It's not quite that trivial to make a false identity that holds up to a quick chat on voice comms. It is, however, easier than IRL.
The concepts shown don't even apply in practice,
Chribba (or any other trusted person) is not going to put his name at stake in hope that other guy holds up to a flawless behavior.
Plus, being honest is not all what a 3rd party is about.
Chribba and the other trusted guys are respected and appreciated because they add good manners, high competency, experience. Somebody trying to "proxy" trust with a deposit is not automatically guaranteed being capable or nice.
What happens if a "secured by Chribba" newbie 3rd party guy results being an utter ineducate, ignorant guy who forgets appointments, causes a Super to be bounced out of a POS shield or any other bad thing?
I tell you what happens. The customers of this dude SHALL call Chribba in cause and even if Chribba would perfectly indemnify any trouble caused, he'd still be tarnished by the very event happening.
Even if everything went smoothly, people would just think: "so what, the guy is employing Chribba's reputation as fuel for his ability to attract customers". The day that guy stops his deal with Chribba, he'd immediately stop being trusted.
No, it's too risky to become a "fourth party".
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.02.19 03:41:18 -
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I too once wanted to be a 3rd party. For the girls, fame and money.
But that was many years ago, I have gotten a lot wiser since.
Nowadays I have settled for doing some small bonds, once in a while. And having great respect for those that have earned that level of trust, and is willing to put in all that work.
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