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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:42:20 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:ps. perhaps a dooms day weapon on a miner is a good gesture perhaps now valued customers understand the impact
Yes, because all highsec wardecs can and will be solved by barges with doomsdays.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
735
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:47:00 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:It seems that people in this game are sad why war dec a peacful corp that cant fight back..... when i was in high sec we got war dec'd and it just made my corp not pl;ay for a week as they were camped in station.... they couldnt fight back...
This is both un fun and unfair as people PAY to play this game.... so they had to pay to not log in.... which is ridiculous imo.
Yes Eve is a sandbox but doing this doesnt benefit anyone if anything it just makes players leave Eve.... 2 people from my corp decided to go back to WOW because they got camped in a station in our small cvorp against a huge merc corp that war decd us for the sole reason that the majority of the corp mined... and they dont have the balls to go and get fair fights.... so they pick on miners/industrialists.... they then proceeded to camp the station making playing either ridiculously unfun or not an option....
IMO the whole WAR dec system needs looking at. Cancel sub and uninstall, problem solved. Its not happy happy carebear land, its everybody carries a gun and looking to use it cause we are all paranoid killers. |
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:48:55 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
No its not because everyone would be running around in tanked up skiffs doomsdaying everything they see
No no... Procurers would be the ship of choice... why use a 200M ship with a Doomsday when a 20M ship with a Doomsday will do? Jita would literally burn. That would be so awesome.
No, CCP has enough sense not to do that, for the obvious reason. We are second class citizens, and that isn't going to change. If it were up to me (Hint: It is not.) I would fix the problem by changing the Orca. I would give Orcas:
1) 8 high power slots that can only equip "small" weapons and are inactive when the boost slots are running. 2) near instant targeting. 3) Add a "isk / min" fleet option to promote public fleets. 4) Specifically tell Orca pilots that they should be in NPC corps to protect themselves from war decs.
The high power slots won't even give it the power of a Catalyst, since the lack of usable low power slots prevent a lot of turret support mods. The instant targeting is specifically to allow it to pop ganker capsules.
Of course, a new sport would be to try to get the Orca pilot to open fire on a non-legal target... thus getting a 700M ship hilariously obliterated by CONCORD.
Lots of risk. Lots of reward. I like it.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16128
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:07:39 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Demetri Dentrov wrote:
You are not the valued customer here. You are the CONTENT for the valued customers.
This is why night clubs often have 'women get in free' promotions, because they know that's what men go to clubs for (if they want to drink and dance they can do that at home lol) so its win win for them, men and women are there and buying drinks which makes up for any loss of the door cover charges lol. ie CCP should have a "miners play free" promotion every weekend
That idea might actually have some legs to it.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Serene Repose
2275
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:14:29 -
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It's a legitimate question, however asking it is like playing Mozart to a cage filled with poo flinging chimpanzees.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
513
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:15:42 -
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If you think ganking miners is fun, then you're the guy who takes his date to watch them unload produce at Publix.
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
194
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:19:31 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
No its not because everyone would be running around in tanked up skiffs doomsdaying everything they see
No no... Procurers would be the ship of choice... why use a 200M ship with a Doomsday when a 20M ship with a Doomsday will do? Jita would literally burn. That would be so awesome. No, CCP has enough sense not to do that, for the obvious reason. We are second class citizens, and that isn't going to change. If it were up to me (Hint: It is not.) I would fix the problem by changing the Orca. I would give Orcas: 1) 8 high power slots that can only equip "small" weapons and are inactive when the boost slots are running. 2) near instant targeting. 3) Add a "isk / min" fleet option to promote public fleets. 4) Specifically tell Orca pilots that they should be in NPC corps to protect themselves from war decs. The high power slots won't even give it the power of a Catalyst, since the lack of usable low power slots prevent a lot of turret support mods. The instant targeting is specifically to allow it to pop ganker capsules. Of course, a new sport would be to try to get the Orca pilot to open fire on a non-legal target... thus getting a 700M ship hilariously obliterated by CONCORD. Lots of risk. Lots of reward. I like it.
From what im aware orcas can boost from behind pos shields, that alone doesnt sound fair when nothing combat orientated can, orca doesnt need anything else buffed in my opinion
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Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:29:55 -
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Lan Wang wrote: From what im aware orcas can boost from behind pos shields, that alone doesnt sound fair when nothing combat orientated can, orca doesnt need anything else buffed in my opinion
Can't do that while in an NPC corp. If you're going to get all buthurt over an Orca boosting from a POS shield, war dec it and bring in a crew to remove it. That corp then loses the Orca AND the POS.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2758
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:44:02 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:Lan Wang wrote: From what im aware orcas can boost from behind pos shields, that alone doesnt sound fair when nothing combat orientated can, orca doesnt need anything else buffed in my opinion
Can't do that while in an NPC corp. If you're going to get all buthurt over an Orca boosting from a POS shield, war dec it and bring in a crew to remove it. That corp then loses the Orca AND the POS. Because the Orca magically logs in again and won't move after downtime while you wait for the stront timer to run out.
Amazing double standards for equivalent game mechanics, with the only difference being their effect on pvp or pve.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
194
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:49:43 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:Lan Wang wrote: From what im aware orcas can boost from behind pos shields, that alone doesnt sound fair when nothing combat orientated can, orca doesnt need anything else buffed in my opinion
Can't do that while in an NPC corp. If you're going to get all buthurt over an Orca boosting from a POS shield, war dec it and bring in a crew to remove it. That corp then loses the Orca AND the POS.
Not really buthurt but buffing an orca so it instalocks is just stupid and yeah ok let just kill a tower and an orca in 1 go, sure he just moves it while it reinforced or gets it repped because towers dont just instapop
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Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:53:08 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Demetri Dentrov wrote:Lan Wang wrote: From what im aware orcas can boost from behind pos shields, that alone doesnt sound fair when nothing combat orientated can, orca doesnt need anything else buffed in my opinion
Can't do that while in an NPC corp. If you're going to get all buthurt over an Orca boosting from a POS shield, war dec it and bring in a crew to remove it. That corp then loses the Orca AND the POS. Because the Orca magically logs in again and won't move after downtime while you wait for the stront timer to run out. Amazing double standards for equivalent game mechanics, with the only difference being their effect on pvp or pve.
It's still war decced. You still get to destroy the POS. And now the Orca, even if it drops corp... is no longer protected by a POS. Yes yes... I know we second class citizens shouldn't talk back to our masters.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1325
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:56:05 -
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Oy. You step into the big boy world and become an independant entity and you open yourselves up to the dangers of living in that world. You are a corporate entity, not a neutral, and it's not griefing at this point. You spend the isk, you establish yourselves as a power. Powers exist to be challenged. Why is not relevant. And no, it is not griefing, as so many people are wont to misuse that term in this game. It is simply how things be.
It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19979
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:05:07 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:spoke too soon. re-edit once I finish training reading comprehension.
How dare you.
Misinterpretation, misinformation and misunderstandings form the cornerstone for quality General Discussion posting. Be proud of who you are. Sometimes good points and ideas go unsaid or get edited out because they may have been said in response to something taken out of context or based off an incorrect assumption.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2760
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:05:51 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Demetri Dentrov wrote:Can't do that while in an NPC corp. If you're going to get all buthurt over an Orca boosting from a POS shield, war dec it and bring in a crew to remove it. That corp then loses the Orca AND the POS.
Because the Orca magically logs in again and won't move after downtime while you wait for the stront timer to run out. Amazing double standards for equivalent game mechanics, with the only difference being their effect on pvp or pve. It's still war decced. You still get to destroy the POS. And now the Orca, even if it drops corp... is no longer protected by a POS. Yes yes... I know we second class citizens shouldn't talk back to our masters. Does it cross your mind at all that a boosting Orca is effectively invulnerable despite the best efforts of the aggressors to kill it?
The problem isn't with second-class citizens, but with third-class logical comprehension.
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Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:13:47 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
Not really buthurt but buffing an orca so it instalocks is just stupid and yeah ok let just kill a tower and an orca in 1 go, sure he just moves it while it reinforced or gets it repped because towers dont just instapop
Instalocking Orca. Why would that be stupid? It's still a plodding whale in space. It's only combat use is if YOU go to IT... and that's not really in the 'advantage' column. Frigates can insta lock. What, are you afraid people are going to park ORCAS on gate camps to pop escaping capsules?
If you can think of an actual, other than miner defense or defending itself while transporting somethng, tactical use for an instalocking Orca that isn't negated by the fact that it's still a plodding, 700M isk space whale with the mobility of a Mobile Home. (Albeit a well tanked Mobile Home.) I'll rescind my idea.
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Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:22:55 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Does it cross your mind at all that a boosting Orca is effectively invulnerable despite the best efforts of the aggressors to kill it?
The problem isn't with second-class citizens, but with third-class logical comprehension.
Yeah, because that Orca was just so in your face and keeping you from playing the game. Don't like it? Play the long game. Blow up the POS. Keep blowing them up until no Orca is safe aver again. Teach those miners a lesson on interfering with their masters!
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Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
311
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:26:39 -
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Just because you are mining it is no excuse not to train skills to be able to defend yourself |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2760
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:29:42 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Does it cross your mind at all that a boosting Orca is effectively invulnerable despite the best efforts of the aggressors to kill it?
The problem isn't with second-class citizens, but with third-class logical comprehension.
Yeah, because that Orca was just so in your face and keeping you from playing the game. Don't like it? Play the long game. Blow up the POS. Keep blowing them up until no Orca is safe aver again. Teach those miners a lesson on interfering with their masters! An Orca is always 100% safe in high-sec because it can do its job sitting outside of a station, and dock at the first sign of trouble.
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Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:45:35 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: An Orca is always 100% safe in high-sec because it can do its job sitting outside of a station, and dock at the first sign of trouble.
Unless it's war decced. Or someone REALLY wants it killed, Or it's AFK and one of those. Yeah, it would pretty much have to be AFK. Good thing sitting there in an Orca running the boosts is such exciting game play no one would EVER consider doing it while AFK, huh?
Of course, an AFK Orca can't haul ore, can't switch to the guns I wanna put on it, and can't instalock anything. Hey! I know! Let's make playing an Orca pilot more engaging by giving it the ability to defend it's little mining fleet.
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
515
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:46:55 -
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Orca - EvE Brick
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2761
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:47:45 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: An Orca is always 100% safe in high-sec because it can do its job sitting outside of a station, and dock at the first sign of trouble.
Unless it's war decced. Or someone REALLY wants it killed, Or it's AFK and one of those. Yeah, it would pretty much have to be AFK. Good thing sitting there in an Orca running the boosts is such exciting game play no one would EVER consider doing it while AFK, huh? Of course, an AFK Orca can't haul ore, can't switch to the guns I wanna put on it, and can't instalock anything. Hey! I know! Let's make playing an Orca pilot more engaging by giving it the ability to defend it's little mining fleet. I'm sorry, did you just use afk gameplay as an excuse for buffing the pve play style some more?
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: the high-sec miner. The lowest-common-denominator around which EVE's core gameplay has been balanced for the past five years, and will continue to be balanced for the foreseeable future.
Anyone want to take over? I'm done here.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
33199
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:51:14 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
Not really buthurt but buffing an orca so it instalocks is just stupid and yeah ok let just kill a tower and an orca in 1 go, sure he just moves it while it reinforced or gets it repped because towers dont just instapop
Instalocking Orca. Why would that be stupid? It's still a plodding whale in space. It's only combat use is if YOU go to IT... and that's not really in the 'advantage' column. Frigates can insta lock. What, are you afraid people are going to park ORCAS on gate camps to pop escaping capsules? If you can think of an actual, other than miner defense or defending itself while transporting somethng, tactical use for an instalocking Orca that isn't negated by the fact that it's still a plodding, 700M isk space whale with the mobility of a Mobile Home. (Albeit a well tanked Mobile Home.) I'll rescind my idea. Instalocking Orca with 8 turret hardpoints? (could be wrong on the 8, just what I think I read).
That would be a huge buff to mining. People wouldn't fit guns on the Orca, they'd fill those highslots with strip miners and/or mining lasers.
Then still complain that they have no ability to fight back.
If you want guns to protect your mining fleet, give up the bonus of the Orca and fly a combat ship; or switch a mining barge/exhumer to a combat ship.
You can pop all the pods you can lock and point/scram then (an instalocking Orca still won't pop pods because pods instawarp).
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Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:54:51 -
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Bel Tika wrote:Just because you are mining it is no excuse not to train skills to be able to defend yourself
Exactly! I certainly have some. Then when they fix the Orca, I can use those skills to dispense CAPSULE KILLING JUSTICE on those that prey on my flock.
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Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:01:37 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Demetri Dentrov wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
Not really buthurt but buffing an orca so it instalocks is just stupid and yeah ok let just kill a tower and an orca in 1 go, sure he just moves it while it reinforced or gets it repped because towers dont just instapop
Instalocking Orca. Why would that be stupid? It's still a plodding whale in space. It's only combat use is if YOU go to IT... and that's not really in the 'advantage' column. Frigates can insta lock. What, are you afraid people are going to park ORCAS on gate camps to pop escaping capsules? If you can think of an actual, other than miner defense or defending itself while transporting somethng, tactical use for an instalocking Orca that isn't negated by the fact that it's still a plodding, 700M isk space whale with the mobility of a Mobile Home. (Albeit a well tanked Mobile Home.) I'll rescind my idea. Instalocking Orca with 8 turret hardpoints? (could be wrong on the 8, just what I think I read). That would be a huge buff to mining. People wouldn't fit guns on the Orca, they'd fill those highslots with strip miners and/or mining lasers. Then still complain that they have no ability to fight back. If you want guns to protect your mining fleet, give up the bonus of the Orca and fly a combat ship; or switch a mining barge/exhumer to a combat ship. You can pop all the pods you can lock and point/scram then (an instalocking Orca still won't pop pods because pods instawarp).
Interestingly enough... I thought of that. And I quote: "8 high power slots that can only equip "small" weapons" No mining lasers in those slots. That would simply result in 115K m3 Ore haulers with 400K EHP and 8 mining lasers on them. Which would certainly be a bad idea.
Simply replacing a mining barge with a combat ship just makes mining even LESS cost effective and doesn't address the "Orca in POS" or "Orca parked by station" so they're safe issue. Mining Support ships need to be out in the belts, supporting the mining operation. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
33199
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:06:54 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:Interestingly enough... I thought of that. And I quote: "8 high power slots that can only equip "small" weapons" No mining lasers in those slots. That would simply result in 115K m3 Ore haulers with 400K EHP and 8 mining lasers on them. Which would be certainly be a bad idea. Ships have turret hard-points, which can restrict the turrets that can be fit. Strip miners and mining lasers aren't turrets, so can fill any highslot positions available.
Quote:Simply replacing a mining barge with a combat ship justs makes mining even LESS cost effective and doesn't address the "Orca in POS" or "Orca parked by station" so they're safe issue. Mining Support ships need to be out in the belts, supporting the mining operation. ISK efficient or safe.
Your choice. Your consequence.
Having your cake and eating it too. Nah, not such a good idea.
But all of this is off topic, since this is a thread about wardecs. Should post your idea to F&I.
As for wardecs, it's not compulsory to stay docked or to not login. That's a choice.
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Vic Jefferson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
168
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:07:17 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Thonys Visser wrote:i think that mechanic needs a better upgrade or solution I agree, it's called the HTFU player expansion.
Yeah, because players hiding from wardecs are so much more cowardly than players hiding behind them.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
195
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:38:20 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: An Orca is always 100% safe in high-sec because it can do its job sitting outside of a station, and dock at the first sign of trouble.
Unless it's war decced. Or someone REALLY wants it killed, Or it's AFK and one of those. Yeah, it would pretty much have to be AFK. Good thing sitting there in an Orca running the boosts is such exciting game play no one would EVER consider doing it while AFK, huh? Of course, an AFK Orca can't haul ore, can't switch to the guns I wanna put on it, and can't instalock anything. Hey! I know! Let's make playing an Orca pilot more engaging by giving it the ability to defend it's little mining fleet.
you sound buthurt because you want a combat ready instalocking orca that can provide boosts etc from a pos, and people dont agree, pick a different career if your so pissed with how the mining gear functuons, get a pvp ship which is made to use guns ffs
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ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:48:36 -
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