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Glenda en Welle
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 15:47:13 -
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I've been looking into finishing up training for a Marauder but I haven't seen what they are used for... Any ideas like low sec level 5's or just faster level 4's? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.02.20 15:53:53 -
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Glenda en Welle wrote:I've been looking into finishing up training for a Marauder but I haven't seen what they are used for... Any ideas like low sec level 5's or just faster level 4's?
You'll want this thread moved to missions and complexes or Ships and modules.
Marauders are useful for lots of things. Faster lvl 4s yea. Fit right and with the right tactics you can do lvl 5s or wormholes or DED complexes like in this video. There are even some pvp uses but I ain't got 'nuff balls to do that personally. Hats off to the guys who do. |
2Sonas1Cup
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 16:01:03 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Glenda en Welle wrote:I've been looking into finishing up training for a Marauder but I haven't seen what they are used for... Any ideas like low sec level 5's or just faster level 4's? There are even some pvp uses but I ain't got 'nuff ISKS to that personally. Hats off to the guys who do.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:12:27 -
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Because they are freakin awesome.
That is all.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
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Ravasta Helugo
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:17:53 -
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They tank like a bank vault and are ECM immune. |
Bastion Arzi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:52:22 -
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To bring down a marauder in pvp the enemy will literally need a fleet that's tackle lots of dps and neuts and I know from experience that a vargur in bastion will tank small fleet on a single repper.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:55:03 -
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Golem is downright nasty to fight with a good pilot behind it.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:11:22 -
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Glenda en Welle wrote:I've been looking into finishing up training for a Marauder but I haven't seen what they are used for... Any ideas like low sec level 5's or just faster level 4's?
They're great for marauding, and they're even better as loot pi+Ķatas. |
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:13:18 -
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Glenda en Welle wrote:I've been looking into finishing up training for a Marauder but I haven't seen what they are used for... Any ideas like low sec level 5's or just faster level 4's?
Faster lvl 4's? no. You can blitz through 4's in a pirate BS much faster and at greater range creating less risk and more ISK.
If you asked me, I'd luv to see Marauders used more in pvp but their cost is prohibitive.
My advice, skip the Marauder and go for pirate BS. More dmg, faster runs, less ISK, less risk. |
Bastion Arzi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:29:50 -
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baltec1 wrote:Golem is downright nasty to fight with a good pilot behind it. With which missile system? |
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:44:41 -
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Don't be stupid with a Marauder unless you can afford to lose it or want to waste the subscription cost/monthly sub training that level 5 in PVP or PVE (was just a PVE boa, but with bastion mode and EWAR immunity sans capacitor drain it can now be used in PVP and the MJD bonus would let you reposition if disrupted as only scramblers shut it down - long range + 1 have no effect, the short range +2 shut it down). Its got some nice perks, faction/pirate BS work just as well for about half the cost and less training time without Marauder 5. Even regular BS work, can afford up to 5 normal hulls for the price of a marauder if your lucky on the market. |
Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:06:05 -
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Check out the Battleship Fights thread, then cross-reference those "experts" posting here with their expertise on battleship engagement altogether - as what is a marauder but a stoked battleship. You will find the expertise revolves around a very narrow conceptualization of very limited circumstances when declaring what exactly is possible. A lot of assumptions are made - the main one being their strings of assumptions should be assumed to be irrefutable fact. Given what they're accustomed to doing, what they've been told is true by those they take as uber, and what they know about something of which they have little first-hand knowledge - read from there.
Battleships as support vessels. Funny.
Anyone with any sense has already left town.
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:33:42 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Check out the Battleship Fights thread, then cross-reference those "experts" posting here with their expertise on battleship engagement altogether - as what is a marauder but a stoked battleship. You will find the expertise revolves around a very narrow conceptualization of very limited circumstances when declaring what exactly is possible. A lot of assumptions are made - the main one being their strings of assumptions should be assumed to be irrefutable fact. Given what they're accustomed to doing, what they've been told is true by those they take as uber, and what they know about something of which they have little first-hand knowledge - read from there. Battleships as support vessels. Funny.
Generally speaking, this. A lot of the claims made rely on you being willing to train out 3 months to a year of 5 skills to find out the claims are fabricated. The truth is though, a ship, any ship with a 4 skill is going to perform pretty much the same as it does with a 5 skill. The extra bonus will not change the fit or create a different ending in battle.
Marauder PvP for example.
"We had to bring 15 guys to blow one up". No ewar meant we had to run away many times.
End of the session, we blew up a Marauder and took no losses, it just took longer. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:50:11 -
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I personally love stupid marauder pilots. Nothing more satisfying than giving a 2+ billion ship the death of a thousand cuts with an assault frigate. That long kiss goodbye also gives you ample time to chat with the pilot, perhaps to negotiate an appropriate ransom to spare them the indignity of having that particular loss on their board.
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Bastion Arzi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:52:38 -
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I would argue that any benefit u get from training 4 to 5 is effectively doubled by bastion |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:58:51 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:I would argue that any benefit u get from training 4 to 5 is effectively doubled by bastion
I've wandered in to a few RvB gate fights, lots of wrecks. You guys enjoy what you do but I have never seen a Marauder in the mix. Ever. Shittons of drones though. You really like the drones. |
Bastion Arzi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:00:46 -
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It happens. It's isually me tho and sometimes it wasn't worth dropping a vargur on the smurfs but I don't want to just look at the ship in my hangar I want to engage fleets with it and win
Check my Kb if u want I have some vargur kills recently |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:04:17 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:baltec1 wrote:Golem is downright nasty to fight with a good pilot behind it. With which missile system?
Torps.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:22:14 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:baltec1 wrote:Golem is downright nasty to fight with a good pilot behind it. With which missile system? Torps.
Yeah cuz orbiting with a Frigate and AB is so hard... |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:24:33 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:baltec1 wrote:Golem is downright nasty to fight with a good pilot behind it. With which missile system? Torps. Yeah cuz orbiting with a Frigate and AB is so hard...
Bastionnades.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:35:48 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:baltec1 wrote:Golem is downright nasty to fight with a good pilot behind it. With which missile system? Torps. Yeah cuz orbiting with a Frigate and AB is so hard... Bastionnades.
So you had a good fight with some newb pirates on a gate with your OGB providing you some sick bonuses along with your Crystal implants.
I did enjoy your video though. If they actually decided to move and stop hugging the gate... with decent fits. |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:43:33 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:So you had a good fight with some newb pirates on a gate with your OGB providing you some sick bonuses along with your Crystal implants.
I did enjoy your video though. If they actually decided to move and stop hugging the gate... with decent fits. Not me in the video.
Even with all those things you mention, it's no less impressive, and baltec1's statement :
baltec1 wrote:Golem is downright nasty to fight with a good pilot behind it. ...is still true.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:49:17 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Glenda en Welle wrote:I've been looking into finishing up training for a Marauder but I haven't seen what they are used for... Any ideas like low sec level 5's or just faster level 4's? You'll want this thread moved to missions and complexes or Ships and modules. Marauders are useful for lots of things. Faster lvl 4s yea. Fit right and with the right tactics you can do lvl 5s or wormholes or DED complexes like in this video. There are even some pvp uses but I ain't got 'nuff balls to do that personally. Hats off to the guys who do.
Shout out to my friend SkyFlyer here.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:52:23 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:baltec1 wrote:Golem is downright nasty to fight with a good pilot behind it. With which missile system? Torps. Yeah cuz orbiting with a Frigate and AB is so hard...
Two webs and two target paints on said frig means its turns to dust in short order.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:54:08 -
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baltec1 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:baltec1 wrote:Golem is downright nasty to fight with a good pilot behind it. With which missile system? Torps. Yeah cuz orbiting with a Frigate and AB is so hard... Two webs and two target paints on said frig means its turns to dust in short order. But hey, want to crush frigates and cruisers but dont want to spend 2 bil to do it? RHML raven is the toy for you.
Because anyone is going to orbit inside 14km when kitting. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:00:43 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Because anyone is going to orbit inside 14km when kitting. Yeah it's unfortunate Marauders don't have utility high slots so you can fit neuts, oh wait.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:11:52 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Because anyone is going to orbit inside 14km when kitting. Yeah it's unfortunate Marauders don't have utility high slots so you can fit neuts, oh wait.
Because one or two neuts when facing 40 frig hulls works?
You turn on bastion, you can't move, you can't leave, you can't do anything other than apply DPS on BS hulls and web out to 14km. Defeating a Golem could be accomplished with a small gang of Sentinels. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:14:30 -
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Your defeatist mentality is your undoing and why you will never enjoy this game as much as you could. I can argue counters all day too. I prefer to find solutions instead of hoping for an I win button.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:18:03 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Your defeatist mentality is your undoing and why you will never enjoy this game as much as you could. I can argue counters all day too. I prefer to find solutions instead of hoping for an I win button.
OK, so you neut my sentinel out... my drones still work, and I can still control my range. At 400m/s and a 41 sig you are doing no damage. When you balloon my sig, I warp out. Then you get to lock the next one.
A single ship, alone, whether a Golem or a Titan is not "nasty" to kill. |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.20 21:20:21 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Because anyone is going to orbit inside 14km when kitting. Yeah it's unfortunate Marauders don't have utility high slots so you can fit neuts, oh wait. Because one or two neuts when facing 40 frig hulls works? You turn on bastion, you can't move, you can't leave, you can't do anything other than apply DPS on BS hulls and web out to 14km. Defeating a Golem could be accomplished with a small gang of Sentinels.
Because the mere existence of a counter invalidates the successes in the absence of said counter. Your answers are just: "Yeah sure, BUT, what if x,y or z."
No one said there were no counters to a Golem, just that a good Golem pilot is extremely impressive. If there weren't any counters, the Golem would be overpowered and nerfed in short order.
So, the fact is while yes there are many valid ways of dealing with a Marauder, it doesn't change the fact that they can, and are used to devastating (and entertaining) effect.
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