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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:37:33 -
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Dust 514 on PS3. And PS4 is here. Project Legion is... a project.
Do you think it's worth invest in a PS3 now ? What are the real interactions with Eve ?
Best regards.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light".
John Milton, Lost Paradise.
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Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
283
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Posted - 2015.02.23 06:05:51 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:Dust 514 on PS3. And PS4 is here. Project Legion is... a project.
Do you think it's worth invest in a PS3 now ? What are the real interactions with Eve ?
Best regards.
Eve player since 2006, Dust 514 player since June 2012.
I'd say yes and no. Yes, because Sony will stop manufacturing PS3's in March of next year, so the only ones available will be used after that point. No, because Dust 514 really isn't going anywhere fantastic.
The only connections at the moment are a loose FW impact in the form of reduced/increased grinding based on how much control the faction has on the temperate planets in the system and the Low-Sec impact in Molden Heath which comes from reduced POS fuel requirements and stuff from having alliance controlled territories in the system. You can also shoot down orbitals if you're part of the faction/alliance in question and someone paints a target for you.
Dust 514 is also undergoing a -LOT- of monetization. You can go five seconds without seeing something reminding you to pay for something and there's probably more things you can spend Aurum on than real money right now. Assuming you pay for all the Aurum things and you hit your Active SP cap every week, you'll hit end-game within a month's time and it's estimated that you'll literally run out of skills to invest SP in in less than a year and a half because of how freely SP is handed out to paying players. It's being developed by a skeleton screw with only one or two developers ever communicating on the forums and CCP Iceland likes to just pretend Dust 514 doesn't even exist.
The only good news out of all this is that Project Legion is now trademarked as Eve: Legion, which may or may not mean that it's been greenlit because we honestly don't know. No-one has said anything about Legion for 175 days and counting and they have confirmed there will be no presentations for either game at Fanfest this year. As far as anyone is concerned, Project Legion is just vaporware and will likely never happen with Dust 514 just being used as job security at this point.
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.23 11:36:02 -
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Thank you very much for this answer.
Best regards.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light".
John Milton, Lost Paradise.
The Law Organization
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Jallukola
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Posted - 2015.02.27 22:43:16 -
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Most enlightening in a single post, thank you on my behalf too.
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DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.03.04 18:29:29 -
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Nomistrav wrote:XeX Znndstrup wrote:Dust 514 on PS3. And PS4 is here. Project Legion is... a project.
Do you think it's worth invest in a PS3 now ? What are the real interactions with Eve ?
Best regards. *snip* The only good news out of all this is that Project Legion is now trademarked as Eve: Legion, which may or may not mean that it's been greenlit because we honestly don't know. No-one has said anything about Legion for 175 days and counting and they have confirmed there will be no presentations for either game at Fanfest this year. As far as anyone is concerned, Project Legion is just vaporware and will likely never happen with Dust 514 just being used as job security at this point.
Eve Legion has been trade marked since before fan fest last year.
a game in development for 1 year doesn't make it vaporware. If you have heard nothing by the end of 2016 fan fest then i;d go with yes, vaporware. The fact that 2015 fan fest will most likely be REALLY Valk heavy, and that they have not spoken sicne july does;t really mean squat.
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2015.03.05 12:01:37 -
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I can understand the word "vaporware".
That's always what to deal with CCP. They do. They will do. And good.
But they have a lot of ideas, a lot of work and a lot of announcements. And sometimes, they first release a simple start far from what we dreamt about (WIS...).
So, let's control our desires even seeing some beautiful trailers.
But let us be clear. If they succeeded in doing connected Valkyrie, Legion and boosting a little WIS, they would make an untouchable game. This game is already a monster. It would be extra terrestrial (if i may say...).
I dream each day about this.
The Law Organization
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
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Mark Jahir
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.06 03:10:53 -
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Nomistrav wrote:XeX Znndstrup wrote:Dust 514 on PS3. And PS4 is here. Project Legion is... a project.
Do you think it's worth invest in a PS3 now ? What are the real interactions with Eve ?
Best regards. Eve player since 2006, Dust 514 player since June 2012. I'd say yes and no. Yes, because Sony will stop manufacturing PS3's in March of next year, so the only ones available will be used after that point. No, because Dust 514 really isn't going anywhere fantastic. The only connections at the moment are a loose FW impact in the form of reduced/increased grinding based on how much control the faction has on the temperate planets in the system and the Low-Sec impact in Molden Heath which comes from reduced POS fuel requirements and stuff from having alliance controlled territories in the system. You can also shoot down orbitals if you're part of the faction/alliance in question and someone paints a target for you. Dust 514 is also undergoing a -LOT- of monetization. You can go five seconds without seeing something reminding you to pay for something and there's probably more things you can spend Aurum on than real money right now. Assuming you pay for all the Aurum things and you hit your Active SP cap every week, you'll hit end-game within a month's time and it's estimated that you'll literally run out of skills to invest SP in in less than a year and a half because of how freely SP is handed out to paying players. It's being developed by a skeleton screw with only one or two developers ever communicating on the forums and CCP Iceland likes to just pretend Dust 514 doesn't even exist. The only good news out of all this is that Project Legion is now trademarked as Eve: Legion, which may or may not mean that it's been greenlit because we honestly don't know. No-one has said anything about Legion for 175 days and counting and they have confirmed there will be no presentations for either game at Fanfest this year. As far as anyone is concerned, Project Legion is just vaporware and will likely never happen with Dust 514 just being used as job security at this point.
SOo uh you never been proto stomped before?
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Anemarie Yaken
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.03.06 11:33:04 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:I can understand the word "vaporware".
That's always what to deal with CCP. They do. They will do. And good.
But they have a lot of ideas, a lot of work and a lot of announcements. And sometimes, they first release a simple start far from what we dreamt about (WIS...).
So, let's control our desires even seeing some beautiful trailers.
But let us be clear. If they succeeded in doing connected Valkyrie, Legion and boosting a little WIS, they would make an untouchable game. This game is already a monster. It would be extra terrestrial (if i may say...).
I dream each day about this.
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Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2015.03.21 00:58:04 -
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At this point now, I don't care about Legion anymore. Since Dust is actually profitable now and CCP Rattati has given Dust renewed hope, I just want CCP to focus on getting Dust out of the PS3 and into either the PS4 or PC.
BUT FOR FRAKK SAKE DON'T EVER MOVE IT TO XBONE!!!!! |
Arthur Aihaken
Narada
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Posted - 2015.03.21 03:50:28 -
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I think Legion is finished. Unless it becomes an Xbox One/PS4/PC goal.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Lateris
51
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Posted - 2015.03.21 17:15:35 -
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It confuses me why Dust514 just doesn't come to the PC. Especially after working with the Unreal Engine 3 and 4 over the last 12 months as a hobby. The animations in game need work. The textures and the effects need work. I have to ask that if there is a profit with Dust514 how can upper management not see the potential for the PC and the massive amounts of profit?
So lets regroup and maybe think of one engine for the Eve Universe.
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2015.03.23 12:08:40 -
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It makes sense to fix first Dust, move it on PC and call it Eve Legion because it would offer after another perspective on PC.
What seems not to be profitable for business, PS3 or PC players now is the fact that we don't really know where they want to go. If you have a PC, you won't buy a PS3 as long as you think it will come on PC or you will forget it if you think the opposite. If you have a PS3, you won't believe in the future as long as you think it will come on PC much more if you understand that this game can't last on such an obsolete hardware now with PS4. And, of course, you can't imagine seriously it would go to PS4 before PC.
No announcement in Fanfest increases this feeling.
I remember this nice slide in one of the presentation of Fanfest 2014 with three menus : one for Eve, one for Valkyrie and one for Legion. I heard a lot of applause.
So, don't let us disappointed. That's not the best for business.
The Law Organization
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
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Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
335
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:31:43 -
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Dust would be a catastrophe for PC, whether its wanted or not. Can you imagine the hacker griefing situation and CCP jokingly trying to do something about it?
The in-game GM force has the reaction speed of a driver with a .38 blood alcohol level.
FPS is the easiest genre to hack.
Dust/Legion is F2P, so banning is not a deterrent for griefers.
So you're pretty much talking about a nightmare scenario. This game needs to stay as far away from PC as possible. |
XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2015.03.24 14:09:08 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Dust would be a catastrophe for PC, whether its wanted or not. Can you imagine the hacker griefing situation and CCP jokingly trying to do something about it?
The in-game GM force has the reaction speed of a driver with a .38 blood alcohol level.
FPS is the easiest genre to hack.
Dust/Legion is F2P, so banning is not a deterrent for griefers.
So you're pretty much talking about a nightmare scenario. This game needs to stay as far away from PC as possible.
I don't understand why it could be more a problem on Legion than on Valkyrie ? Valkyrie will be on PC and is also a FPS.
The Law Organization
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
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Balthasar Dorian
Virtus Crusade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
6
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Posted - 2015.04.08 20:46:30 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote:At this point now, I don't care about Legion anymore. Since Dust is actually profitable now and CCP Rattati has given Dust renewed hope, I just want CCP to focus on getting Dust out of the PS3 and into either the PS4 or PC.
BUT FOR FRAKK SAKE DON'T EVER MOVE IT TO XBONE!!!!!
Legion looks like an MMO version of Dust. The average eve player is not interested in instanced FPS on a small map.
But if they upgrade Dust 514 into what Legion is supposed to be and then also bring it to PC, it will be a winner
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
90
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Posted - 2015.04.09 00:29:34 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:Dust 514 on PS3. And PS4 is here. Project Legion is... a project.
Do you think it's worth invest in a PS3 now ? What are the real interactions with Eve ?
Best regards. I would wait.
E3 still isn't here yet, so we don't know for sure what CCP have up their sleeves thanks to this new policy of never saying a word until they have a concrete product.
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Lateris
51
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Posted - 2015.04.10 16:37:37 -
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I dont think Project legion is going to see a release. I am not waiting. As a result I have been playing more Titan Fall. Eventually this market is going to change due to other games releasing with a space game and a FPS system in one game. Maybe that will change things?
I don't see Dust514 or Project Legion becoming anything but the shooter lobby. to me lobby games like WoT are not MMO's. Their height maps and levels are tiny and their game systems are not as diverse as an MMO. I would love to see a New Eden FPS become more MMO'ish.
CCP should do another poll if players here in Eve would play a New Eden FPS on the PC. I wish everyone the best on this particular subject.
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Velarra
360
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Posted - 2015.04.11 23:51:02 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:XeX Znndstrup wrote:Dust 514 on PS3. And PS4 is here. Project Legion is... a project.
Do you think it's worth invest in a PS3 now ? What are the real interactions with Eve ?
Best regards. I would wait.
Do you have the better part of 10 or so (perhaps more) free years you don't mind investing in waiting? I mean really, the Chinese Democracy album DID eventually get released. Sometimes, waiting the better part of a decade does lead to a product. |
XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2015.04.13 08:16:49 -
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If i analyze the last facts : 1- No new on PL. Dust 514 is profitable. No relevant links between Dust and Eve. 2- CCP Guard wrote that CCP wants today to build a top VR product with Eve Valkyrie. Links between Eve and Eve Valkyrie are not the subject today.
I think CCP Guard is right and agrees with new "less words, more actions" philisophy when he says this.
Peraphs we are dreaming too much about some new FPS modules that PL or Eve Valkyrie could bring.
It's a pity. Much more when Star Citizen announced some modules like this (they didn't do yet...).
It could be difficult to make links with Eve tomorrow if, today, conception doesn't include this idea.
I only hope that this strategy will not be unprofitable for everyone, Dust, Eve Valkyrie and much more Eve if some decide to go to play ST even if ST is only a trailer for me today.
That's the reason why i will always and again explain in forums the necessity to build more than some stand alone. I am sure anyway that CCP reads this message and will think more about this.
This is the future of Eve.
The Law Organization
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
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Scheneighnay Mc8ob
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.04.19 18:44:05 -
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Odd situation right now, but buying a PS3 for Dust would probably be wasting your money.
The PS3 is nearing the end of its days, and Dust has just about reached it's memory limit on the PS3. We may be seeing more on Legion soon, but closed beta will be primarily for Dust players- and I know from experiencing the Dust beta that CCP likes to take its time before opening a beta up. They'll probably have even more patience with Legion than Dust, because of the negative effects of opening Dust up too early. |
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XeX Znndstrup
66
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Posted - 2015.04.20 11:36:53 -
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Scheneighnay Mc8ob wrote:and I know from experiencing the Dust beta that CCP likes to take its time before opening a beta up. They'll probably have even more patience with Legion than Dust, because of the negative effects of opening Dust up too early.
And we love CCP for this.
We prefer a true product rather than an announcement. We prefer (and will buy) a product if it's quality. And we are ready to wait for this.
But we want also to be sure that PL/Dust PS4 and Eve Valkyrie will add content in Eve Online.
It's time to open eyes. Gamers are ready to cash but not only to find a stand alone with no future at the end. CCP CEO said : 1- Time for actions and less words. 2- Time to analyze mistakes. He is right. CSM is more and more a tool to hear players. We see this in the content of the next releases. It's another good point.
So... CCP... please... let you listen us when we ask for an EVE Legion or an EVE Valkyrie. It means more than single new products. And we ask for them because we want to live Eve for another decade minimum and because we trust in your abilities much more than other new companies to give us what looks like only an untouchable dream (or pre pre alpha trailer...) when these new companies speak about their products.
The Law Organization
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
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Kane Spero
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
108
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Posted - 2015.04.23 06:52:49 -
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Balthasar Dorian wrote:Gerald Sphinx wrote:At this point now, I don't care about Legion anymore. Since Dust is actually profitable now and CCP Rattati has given Dust renewed hope, I just want CCP to focus on getting Dust out of the PS3 and into either the PS4 or PC.
BUT FOR FRAKK SAKE DON'T EVER MOVE IT TO XBONE!!!!! Legion looks like an MMO version of Dust. The average eve player is not interested in instanced FPS on a small map. But if they upgrade Dust 514 into what Legion is supposed to be and then also bring it to PC, it will be a winner
Actually Legion was going to be lobby maps just like Dust as said several times at FF 2014. The biggest downside to where CCP was going with Project Legion before they went dark was that they were going to have no Eve link in Legion whatsoever.
At this point you are better off forgetting about Legion. If an FPS shooter in New Eden is going to be a thing in the future it'll be through Dust 514.
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Keyer
STERNENGARDE
2
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Posted - 2015.05.02 00:07:17 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:I can understand the word "vaporware".
That's always what to deal with CCP. They do. They will do. And good.
But they have a lot of ideas, a lot of work and a lot of announcements. And sometimes, they first release a simple start far from what we dreamt about (WIS...).
So, let's control our desires even seeing some beautiful trailers.
But let us be clear. If they succeeded in doing connected Valkyrie, Legion and boosting a little WIS, they would make an untouchable game. This game is already a monster. It would be extra terrestrial (if i may say...).
I dream each day about this.
I totally agree with you.
If they create a "Game Universe" with 2 or 3 impressive games in it. They are untouchable and i hope they don't miss these changes to achieve this. |
Lateris
51
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Posted - 2015.05.03 19:22:52 -
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Personally I have given up on Dust514 or PL coming to the PC. The policy to remain silent is not my personal preference especially in the global market where communications are better with other games in development from competing studios. I can understand the rationalization behind the silence but lets not forget what that does to a community on the other end wanting the luxury to support the PC market for New Eden in terms of a FPS. It really is a poor choice to leave the community in the dark.
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Sarayu Wyvern
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.07.09 16:18:44 -
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Lateris wrote:Personally I have given up on Dust514 or PL coming to the PC. The policy to remain silent is not my personal preference especially in the global market where communications are better with other games in development from competing studios. I can understand the rationalization behind the silence but lets not forget what that does to a community on the other end wanting the luxury to support the PC market for New Eden in terms of a FPS. It really is a poor choice to leave the community in the dark. However, as we all know far too well, with CCP there is no happy medium.
They either bring (former) CCP Jian up on stage and have him talk about dozens of features that never made it into the game, or they go utterly silent about everything for over a year.
Alt of MidnightWyvern. (Mobius Wyvern in Dust 514)
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