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Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2015.04.04 07:10:55 -
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What is it you would like to know that would have any bearing on this discussion? The part where I took a mutli-year break for college? |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.04.04 16:13:16 -
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Removed some off topic posts.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Trespasser
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
50
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Posted - 2015.04.05 05:41:04 -
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Very simple way to fix all of this
No you should not be able to BUY the service, not for plex not for some ingame item.
Every month you get 1 skill.. that you can fully unlearn and that sp is transferred into the pool for you to put anywhere you want.
This skill remap, does not stack. You get 1 a month and if you don't use it then you lose it.. and the next month its replenished back to 1
This isn't overpowered because it allows the character market to be safe from people buying mining toons and then switching all the skills to pvp.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
96
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Posted - 2015.04.05 06:21:19 -
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This one skill you are suggesting is going to be some skill from a certain category or it would be any skill upon plaer choice? |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1061
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Posted - 2015.04.05 09:24:59 -
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I 'll just say any way for this to be worth doing would require a reasonable amount of SP to be remapped and as soon as that is the case the system can then be abused.
Make it simply a nice to have once a year minimal sp remap and it isn't worth the effort to code and test it. Even this would be horrible as it would be accomodating those with OCD tendancies (which is actually very bad for them!) And would simply lead to alts becoming perfect niche pilots with rich players having a perfect clean frig alt, dessie alt, cruiser alt etc etc etc. A horrible idea, its the diffrences that make them characters rather than just a destroyer pilot account etc.
If someone wants to pilot ship class x, y or z more rapidly they should use the character bazaar (which personally I think is a necessary evil) and put up with the consequence of unwanted skills and dubious background. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
96
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Posted - 2015.04.05 10:34:39 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I 'll just say any way for this to be worth doing would require a reasonable amount of SP to be remapped and as soon as that is the case the system can then be abused.
Make it simply a nice to have once a year minimal sp remap and it isn't worth the effort to code and test it. Even this would be horrible as it would be accomodating those with OCD tendancies (which is actually very bad for them!) And would simply lead to alts becoming perfect niche pilots with rich players having a perfect clean frig alt, dessie alt, cruiser alt etc etc etc. A horrible idea, its the diffrences that make them characters rather than just a destroyer pilot account etc.
If someone wants to pilot ship class x, y or z more rapidly they should use the character bazaar (which personally I think is a necessary evil) and put up with the consequence of unwanted skills and dubious background.
Do you consider this as meanace or kind of threat, i mean your words of niche focused alts? |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
617
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Posted - 2015.04.05 14:50:24 -
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Vulfen wrote:I don't agree with buying SP however i do think that it is something we are leaning more and more towards as the gap between the best and a noob increases..
This is a percieved gap, not an actual one. When I started with 50k skillpoints I got rolled over just three months later - everyone else would start with 800k and I just reached 100k.
Now nine years later and because of choices I made, I look at a quite different picture but I get where this 'need' comes from, I thought so myself in the first years.
To someone who just started today my skillsheet would look more than upsetting but keep in mind that I prepared nine years to be here today.
This 'gap' would be like telling your six year old son that he cannot drive a car just yet - even though you want to. He does have to 'grow' up a little and wait until you become 15 or 16 years of age.
Think about your EVE character as a child, going through puperty again, with all the changes that come with it, interests change, tastes change, other role models emerge and so on. Depreiving yourself of that process would take too much away, wouldn't you agree?
I pretty much wanted to fly a titan like three hours after the tutorial and looked at the market to find one - none available So I looked at the required skillbook only to find out that the book costs five billion isk - looking at my wallet which had a value of 35k isk in it wasn't encouraging at all.
This specialization gap may be there but even a noob can be a veteran in a week. Let's say that nooby trains Gallente Frigate to the magic level V - it will take her or him four or five days and that's it nothing more and nothing less.
Congratulation Miss or Mister nooby, you now have joined the club of Gallente Frigate veterans alike.
If you just throw isk at a problem you create you won't solve it, you will just have thrown a lot of cash at it.
Think about it.
Why wouldn't highschools just hand out drivers licenses at spring brake in 10th grade? You only want to drive a car anyway, so why would you want to waste all the time it takes to learn how to operate a car?
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Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
40
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Posted - 2015.04.05 18:02:37 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:This one skill you are suggesting is going to be some skill from a certain category or it would be any skill upon plaer choice?
Me and him are in the same corp and were talking about this last night. He basically wants 1 level of 1 skill per month, not a whole skill like he makes it sound in the post.
His reasoning tho is rather funny to me. It's because he trained Doomsday Operation level 5 and wants it back lol
But unfortunately what he's missing, as well as a lot of people, is this post is effectively CCP asking us if we're okay with them charging us plex for a new remapping service. Not what kind of free remapping service do we want/don't want. Which the vast majority have given a flat "no" to, including yourself I believe to some extent. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1061
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Posted - 2015.04.05 21:54:31 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I 'll just say any way for this to be worth doing would require a reasonable amount of SP to be remapped and as soon as that is the case the system can then be abused.
Make it simply a nice to have once a year minimal sp remap and it isn't worth the effort to code and test it. Even this would be horrible as it would be accomodating those with OCD tendancies (which is actually very bad for them!) And would simply lead to alts becoming perfect niche pilots with rich players having a perfect clean frig alt, dessie alt, cruiser alt etc etc etc. A horrible idea, its the diffrences that make them characters rather than just a destroyer pilot account etc.
If someone wants to pilot ship class x, y or z more rapidly they should use the character bazaar (which personally I think is a necessary evil) and put up with the consequence of unwanted skills and dubious background. Do you consider this as meanace or kind of threat, i mean your words of niche focused alts?
Warning:drunk posting ahead, Gallente sensibilities kicked in and polish vodka spelling is in full effect make sense of it as you will...
Niche focused alts are fine if that is how they were trained. The ability to turn any and every character into a perfect hull alt at will for plex would be horrible to me. A character is exactly that, unique, yours, a conglomerate of your experience, your learning, your time in EvE. To be able to erase past errors and create 'perfect'characters is entirely counter to 'EvE has consequences'. If you allow players to mitigate or entirely remove those consequences you remove the heart of EvE.
On a pure gameplay point how dull would it be if rich players could field any given choice of perfect character for any given hull? Because that is what you would have within whatever timescale you choose to constrain such an idea with. If players want a soulless game where any player can choose to fly any ship perfectly then petition for World of Spaceships but plaese don't try to turn EvE into such an abhoration. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
97
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Posted - 2015.04.05 23:39:48 -
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But But this is what already happening for quite long time now. People do buy focused toons from char bazar, so what's the difference? |
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Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
40
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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:39:12 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:But But this is what already happening for quite long time now. People do buy focused toons from char bazar, so what's the difference? The differences are: 1) Each is a separate character they had to go out and obtain. They didn't just keep switching the same toon around to meet their changing needs. 2) Somebody had to take the time to train it "perfectly" or they had to make due with what they were able to find for sale.
Why do you want to be perfect so bad, right now, without putting forth the time and effort to correct those mistakes like everyone else has done for over a decade now? But instead try to erase those past mistakes to quickly make up for shortfalls today. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
97
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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:53:06 -
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Nasar Vyron wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:But But this is what already happening for quite long time now. People do buy focused toons from char bazar, so what's the difference? The differences are: 1) Each is a separate character they had to go out and obtain. They didn't just keep switching the same toon around to meet their changing needs. 2) Somebody had to take the time to train it "perfectly" or they had to make due with what they were able to find for sale. Why do you want to be perfect so bad, right now, without putting forth the time and effort to correct those mistakes like everyone else has done for over a decade now? But instead try to erase those past mistakes to quickly make up for shortfalls today.
i do honestly don't understand what do you caled mistakes and errors. my exhumers at lvl 5? i've done with mining, done deal, do you hear me? full stop. so i heave some SP i'd like to use at different area. ie Torpedoes. I do have it at lvl4 but i might simply move them to lvl5 and add torp specialization to lvl3 if i have enough SP. So i don't buy any extra SP. I did spend time on study those exhumer to lvl5. So why should i sell my toon just simply by another one but with perfect torps? |
Piter Bakunin
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Posted - 2015.04.06 02:10:41 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Nasar Vyron wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:But But this is what already happening for quite long time now. People do buy focused toons from char bazar, so what's the difference? The differences are: 1) Each is a separate character they had to go out and obtain. They didn't just keep switching the same toon around to meet their changing needs. 2) Somebody had to take the time to train it "perfectly" or they had to make due with what they were able to find for sale. Why do you want to be perfect so bad, right now, without putting forth the time and effort to correct those mistakes like everyone else has done for over a decade now? But instead try to erase those past mistakes to quickly make up for shortfalls today. i do honestly don't understand what do you caled mistakes and errors. my exhumers at lvl 5? i've done with mining, done deal, do you hear me? full stop. so i heave some SP i'd like to use at different area. ie Torpedoes. I do have it at lvl4 but i might simply move them to lvl5 and add torp specialization to lvl3 if i have enough SP. So i don't buy any extra SP. I did spend time on study those exhumer to lvl5. So why should i sell my toon just simply by another one but with perfect torps?
In what way are those points you invested into Exhumers preventing you from learning Torpedo Skills now? At the time you profited from having Exhumers 5 so those points were not wasted, that you are not using them now is irrelevant.
Given the removal of Clone Grades there is less reason than ever to allow remapping, as you are not punished by increasing clone costs for increased skillpoints.
I have seen many threads on this idea over the years and every reason for has boiled down to nothing more than "I want it", which in my opinion is far from a compelling argument |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
97
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Posted - 2015.04.06 03:11:13 -
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"i want it" one of the most powerfull force here. that's why people go look for a focused toons at market. And the fact i'm not using my exhumers skills is 100% relevant. |
Piter Bakunin
6
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Posted - 2015.04.06 03:36:20 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:"i want it" one of the most powerfull force here. that's why people go look for a focused toons at market. And the fact i'm not using my exhumers skills is 100% relevant.
You fail to answer the question, in what way does Exhumers 5 prevent you from learning Torpedo Specialisation? You also failed to address that you profited from having Exhumers 5.
I didn't deny that "I want it" is a powerful force, I do deny that it constitutes a reason to fundamentally alter and invalidate the whole Skill Training system. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
97
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Posted - 2015.04.06 03:55:30 -
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The answers are obviuos should i type these words to satisfy you?
The whole idea is to give players a tool which gives you sort of effective and efficient way to manage your skill points. Nothing else.
So please spend some time and carefuly read not only the last two pages of this thread. |
Piter Bakunin
6
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Posted - 2015.04.06 04:47:05 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:The answers are obviuos should i type these words to satisfy you?
The whole idea is to give players a tool which gives you sort of effective and efficient way to manage your skill points. Nothing else.
So please spend some time and carefuly read not only the last two pages of this thread.
Again you beg the question.
You are able to learn any skill in the game, since the Clone changes you are no longer penalised for growing your skill base. Skills you have learned in the past do no harm, and have in most cases benefitted you, whether you use them now or not. Should you be too impatient to learn a new skillset on your current character the Character Bazaar exists to exchange PLEX for a character more to your liking.
Skill remaps are a solution in search of a problem, they dilute the variation of characters in favour of a FOTM blandness. They destroy the rewards of Specialisation by enabling anyone to specialise for anything, at will, instantly. They also favour older and wealthier players vastly over new players. Like all others before you your argument is I want it because I want it.
"Effective and Efficient" is nothing more than code for I want it, and I want it now, and next month, if I want something else, then I am entitled to have it, because I want it.
You have demonstrated no need for this service, it offers no value other than to pander to the Instant Gratification and FOTM Chaser crowd, neither of which are in need of pandering to. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
97
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Posted - 2015.04.06 05:05:25 -
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Why so serious ? How to continue dialog when opponent don't even bother to wear my shoes? Your words about char bazar again and again i have heard them many times before but this is exactly same what is remap is - today you have perfect miner next day you are the happy owner of golem pilot. So what's the different instead of buying someones toons make your own by usung your own bank of SP's.
I see you on the other side of this subject so stay where you are and i will keep push through my idea. |
Piter Bakunin
6
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Posted - 2015.04.06 05:44:38 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Why so serious ? How to continue dialog when opponent don't even bother to wear my shoes? Your words about char bazar again and again i have heard them many times before but this is exactly same what is remap is - today you have perfect miner next day you are the happy owner of golem pilot. So what's the different instead of buying someones toons make your own by usung your own bank of SP's.
I see you on the other side of this subject so stay where you are and i will keep push through my idea.
Not serious at all, this is called debate, where you defend your idea from criticism. You don't get to tell me to shut up and let you push a position that I believe is detrimental to the game because you don't want to defend that position.
Incidentally, the definition of dialogue isn't you talk and everyone agrees with you.
There is every difference in the world between the Character Bazaar and Skill remaps, though the end result may look the same to you.
A Character bought on the Character Bazaar has been trained under the same ruleset as every other character in the game. It is a seperate entity to your current character, when you buy it there remain 2 characters with different skillsets. To use your example, both your Perfect Miner and Perfect Golem Pilot still exist after the transaction.
Under Skill Respecs, 1 character potentially has every skillset. A Perfect Miner one day, a Perfect Golem pilot the next, a Stealth Bomber FW pilot the day after, etcetera.
I get that you feel that you wasted your time training Exhumers, I just don't share that opinion. You used those skills, you profited from those skills, therefore they were not wasted.
I currently have close to 50million Skillpoints, of which I use maybe 20million on an everyday basis. I am currently training toward Recons and then Black Ops, toward which 30miilion unused Skillpoints would go a long way. I stand to benefit a lot more from a Skill Respec than a 6month old character, yet I still oppose them.
Because those 30million or so Skillpoints that I don't use are not useless to me, I can get into any Frigate or Destroyer in the game and be confident that while my personal skills may not be up to the task, my character skills are.
That includes Mining Frigates by the way, and the only mining I have ever done was for the Tutorials.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
98
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Posted - 2015.04.06 06:31:31 -
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The problem is i do compare char bazar and suggested skill remap and found them identical. Cause in the end you have what you want to have. You don't accept this statement. And i don't see any reason to continue telling this to you over and over again cause i would hear same critiscims as before.
And i don't wan to have and perfect miner and perfect golem pilots. And it doesn't mean that i should go as everyone do and buy one from market and sell the other one instead. And i want to have an option to turn my guy toon from miner to something else and i'm ready to pay for that service a number of isk to ccp and accept sort of limitations and restrictions from ccp. Cause simply i don't want to trade my lovely character's uniqness and experience for someone else stuff. |
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Piter Bakunin
6
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Posted - 2015.04.06 06:38:19 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:The problem is i do compare char bazar and suggested skill remap and found them identical. Cause in the end you have what you want to have. You don't accept this statement. And i don't see any reason to continue telling this to you over and over again cause i would hear same critiscims as before.
And i don't wan to have and perfect miner and perfect golem pilots. And it doesn't mean that i should go as everyone do and buy one from market and sell the other one instead. And i want to have an option to turn my guy toon from miner to something else and i'm ready to pay for that service a number of isk to ccp and accept sort of limitations and restrictions from ccp. Cause simply i don't want to trade my lovely character's uniqness and experience for someone else stuff.
1 Character is not identical to 2 characters, no matter how much you want it to be.
As far as I can see, you are advocating not only trading your lovely characters uniqness(sic) and experience by arguing for remaps, but throwing them out altogether.
You would go from being "Tiddle Jr, former Miner turned Golem Pilot" to "Identical Perfect Golem Pilot #15423, until next week when I get bored" |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1063
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Posted - 2015.04.06 08:48:56 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:The problem is i do compare char bazar and suggested skill remap and found them identical. Cause in the end you have what you want to have. You don't accept this statement. And i don't see any reason to continue telling this to you over and over again cause i would hear same critiscims as before.
And i don't wan to have and perfect miner and perfect golem pilots. And it doesn't mean that i should go as everyone do and buy one from market and sell the other one instead. And i want to have an option to turn my guy toon from miner to something else and i'm ready to pay for that service a number of isk to ccp and accept sort of limitations and restrictions from ccp. Cause simply i don't want to trade my lovely character's uniqness and experience for someone else stuff.
The difference between the character bazaar and skill remaps is that somebodh had to put effort into training the character for sale. This took time and queue management and ultimately the player will profit from it .
Skill remaps would require no additional effort or planning thus negating one of the keystones of the skill training system. You get to fly x,y,or z hull with no planning or forethought required.
Ed: Note that I fundamentally disagree with the character bazaar too but it is a necessary evil. This discussion also highlights why there couldn't be any kind of remap allowed no matter how limited. Allow a little remap here and there and there will be increasing cries of 'but we can already remap x SP, allowing remap of a few SP more won't hurt...' |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
98
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Posted - 2015.04.06 09:07:38 -
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Piter Bakunin wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:The problem is i do compare char bazar and suggested skill remap and found them identical. Cause in the end you have what you want to have. You don't accept this statement. And i don't see any reason to continue telling this to you over and over again cause i would hear same critiscims as before.
And i don't wan to have and perfect miner and perfect golem pilots. And it doesn't mean that i should go as everyone do and buy one from market and sell the other one instead. And i want to have an option to turn my guy toon from miner to something else and i'm ready to pay for that service a number of isk to ccp and accept sort of limitations and restrictions from ccp. Cause simply i don't want to trade my lovely character's uniqness and experience for someone else stuff. 1 Character is not identical to 2 characters, no matter how much you want it to be. As far as I can see, you are advocating not only trading your lovely characters uniqness(sic) and experience by arguing for remaps, but throwing them out altogether. You would go from being "Tiddle Jr, former Miner turned Golem Pilot" to "Identical Perfect Golem Pilot #15423, until next week when I get bored"
Following your logic i could start buying every week a barand new character. Based on my weekly desire.
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Piter Bakunin
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Posted - 2015.04.06 09:31:50 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:
Following your logic i could start buying every week a barand new character. Based on my weekly desire.
You can do this right now.
The difference that you are refusing to see is that each and every one of those characters has had time and money invested in it by the Vendor.
If you want a character with X Skillset that takes 6 months to train, and you have a character with Y Skillset that took 6 months to train, that currently takes 12months of training and subscriptions to create.
Introduce Respecs and that becomes 6months worth of training and subs for X Skillset, Y Skillset and any other 6month Skillset you can think of.
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Kueyen
Mei-Ha's Light
112
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Posted - 2015.04.06 11:53:53 -
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The prevailing sentiment in this thread (and elsewhere) is to prevent instant gratification. I entirely fail to understand why this is seen as compatible with the abomination that is the character bazaar. Is there anything more instantly gratifying than throwing a few hundred dollars in PLEX at a character that has the skill set you want?
"But, someone had to train that character for real over the past few years, it's more real than bought SP" * irrelevant from the PoV of the buying player. "But, you have to accept deficiencies like a crappy name or infamy or an only partially decent skill set" * yes. hence me calling the bazaar an abomination: the player's spending metric tons of RL money, and still getting rubbish. "But, what about all the people that are currently invested in the character bazaar?" * I've no sympathy for people that make money off bad systems.
Now, I'm no proponent of a system that allows you to directly and instantly convert PLEX (or aurum, whichever of the two we'll still have in a few years' time). But the ability to accelerate a training queue makes vastly more sense in a non-instant-gratifying way than the character bazaar ever will. Essentially, we already have this in additional training queues (at the same cost of 1PLEX / 30 days), but in this case, you'd pay a PLEX for 30 days of accelerated training. Whether this should be a 100% speed increase, or somewhat less, can be debated. In my humble opinion here, 100% is not unreasonable, since the two competing options have additional benefits of their own: * an alt character on a separate account has the ability to be logged in simultaneously; * an alt character on the same account has the ability to be converted into an alt character on a separate account. Items like the cerebral accelerator can be converted into consumables that grant a certain period of "accelerated training" as well. Also, I'm sure CCP can manage to find a way to tie this ability into the lore surrounding new Drifter-derived tech (like what they're doing with the Entosis link).
Similarly, skill remaps also seem to go against the anti-instant-gratification mood. But lets face it, we all have our OCD moments, and I fail to see any reason why people shouldn't be able to dump (parts of) a skill (lets say for argument's sake "no refunds at all"). The only thing that needs checking is if the skill is a prerequisite for another skill the character currently has. If so, the skill can't be reduced below the level that still matches the prerequisite (this includes skills that the character doesn't actually already have at necessary prerequisite levels, due to skill tree changes). If the skill is reduced to 0 SP, it gets eliminated from the stat sheet (no skill book refund).
Now, combine above two systems into skill remapping functionality that doesn't involve instant gratification: refunds don't directly involve SP, but instead give you additional "accelerated training" time. Whether this is at a 1-for-1 ratio or less, whether this should be at an additional cost, can be debated. Here too, in-universe justification can be found: the untrained skill points could be seen as a "clearing of the mind" or as an area of "pre-formatted brain" which accepts new training more readily (but not instantly).
This system would probably greatly benefit from an uniform training speed (i.e. one decoupled from the attributes of the skill being trained), to avoid gaming the system (and to avoid effort being spend to prevent gaming of the system). Some effort should be spend on examining possible alternate effects for attributes, but if nothing elegant presents itself, just eliminate them outright already (and the attribute-only-affecting implants with them). As a side effect, you'll finally be able to swap clones without having to pause your training queue!
tl;dr * implement the ability to accelerate the training queue for a certain period (similar interface as additional training queues). * implement skill untraining that either provides no refund, or is refunded in accelerated training queue time. * decouple attributes from skill training speed (and drop them completely if no alternate use is found). * never (ab)use the viability of the character bazaar as an excuse not to do any of the above 3 things.
Until all are free...
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
98
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Posted - 2015.04.06 12:39:47 -
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That's sounds like something new and interesting from one side of it. I mean the training acceleration not the actual SP swap. At least someone sounds constructive and got into the topic. |
Odithia
Rondass
79
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Posted - 2015.04.07 15:24:43 -
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It's probably been suggested before but giving everyone a flat attribute distribution such as 27 in everything and getting rid of Remapping alltogether would go a long way to fix the current issues.
Implants would remain usefull, so it won't please those who advocate attribute implants removal but it's a step in the right direction (like the unlimited skill queue).
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FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
321
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Posted - 2015.04.07 15:50:24 -
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Can this thread be closed already?
ISD agreed with me when i raised this point on page one, and this thread has devolved into the unproductive slog that it has become about as rapidly as i figured it would.
"i want to rest my SP so i can tengu better"
"I think you should stop complaining and skill for it manually"
"i think you should stop being mean to me and GIMMEH"
"i think you sir are a misguided person who shares the intelect of a rock"
"your mum"
"nu-uh!"
"Did too"
"Did not" |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
105
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Posted - 2015.04.07 20:22:17 -
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Hmm Hmm hey mom maybe you stop bothrring to resd this thread ? |
Monasucks
BLACK SQUADRON. The Bastion
148
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Posted - 2015.04.08 09:39:24 -
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I'm against Pay To Win even SP.. The SP where the only limiting thing and balancing the pay to win factor for a player. Don't take those away
Can I haz you're stuff?
[i][b]A good worker is a live worker. Free to live - and work! A bad worker is a dead worker; and vice versa. Don't be a bad worker; bad workers are slaves, and dead. Payday for good workers has been postponed indefinitely. Pa
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