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Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2015.08.09 01:37:16 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:@ Leonardo Adami
Plz stop trashing this thread
I c wut u did ther
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VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises The Volition Cult
75
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Posted - 2015.08.12 13:43:54 -
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I'm curious how many times they have to read NO NO NO NO NO whenever this comes up? Buying remaps is straight pay to win. Earn your keep. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4569
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Posted - 2015.08.14 12:12:45 -
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Players should have the opportunity to purchase a pack of 5-million skill points for $50 directly from CCP (no PLEX or AUR). Redemption of these would consume and require one (1) remap, so they would be effectively limited to one per year after you consume all available remaps.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Ruben Shade
Blood Trident Endeavors
0
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:55:33 -
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Eve is like watching paint dry but you can make it dry 25% faster if you level Drying to 5. By the way Drying 5 takes 30 days to get.
The game is already largely pay to win. I could pull my credit card out right now and have a character with a bazillion sp. How is that not pay to win? I can buy anything in the game with plex how is that not pay to win? Every month you pay a sub that in return gives you a block of sp. Every month you are paying to get a tiny bit stronger and it just happens that some have been paying longer than others. This is the EvE customer loyalty reward program... the longer you keep paying the stronger you get.
I am just saying that this is painful. My eyes are covered in 10mm of glaze. Why am I inflicting pain on myself? The answer is that every other game I checked out was a pos or basically still in beta. You are lucky that there is nothing else worth talking about out there at the moment CPP.
This written from the perspective of a returning player who once possessed two characters. The first with a years worth of sp and the second with six months worth. So the accumulation of sp is likely a lot more painful for me than a new player. I do not remember it being this painful the first time honestly. Joined the game when apoc was king of mining and Miner II had just come out. Left shortly after titans arrived. Good times were had.
Would I buy blocks of sp? Yes. Do I see a problem with it? No. Reason is that in my opinion this game is already 99% pay to win.
Haha I feel a little better already after having a good rant.... wups ranting break forum rules. Your forums are dead btw cause you lock and block everything that might be interesting. |
Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky
Wormbro The Society For Unethical Treatment Of Sleepers
43
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:48:30 -
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Ruben Shade wrote:Eve is like watching paint dry but you can make it dry 25% faster if you level Drying to 5. By the way Drying 5 takes 30 days to get.
The game is already largely pay to win. I could pull my credit card out right now and have a character with a bazillion sp. How is that not pay to win? I can buy anything in the game with plex how is that not pay to win? Every month you pay a sub that in return gives you a block of sp. Every month you are paying to get a tiny bit stronger and it just happens that some have been paying longer than others. This is the EvE customer loyalty reward program... the longer you keep paying the stronger you get.
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Do you understand how wildly expensive that is? how stupidly inefficient and mindbogglingly bad that actually is? Do you know how much a good subcap character costs in isk?
You will never beat my skill. Its not pay to win because you bought a character. That character has zero assets and you have no idea how to fly it. I will beat you every time because I've been playing this game for 2 years solid experiencing and learning everything about the game because skills and SP are only 50% of the game. The other half comes out of my application and input and knowledge. Thats how regardless if you bought a plex and dank fit the entire garmur with all your precious mods you will never kill my 3m isk cormorant that has no trouble tracking your ship.
EVE isn't pay 2 win like other games are. EVE is pay to play. You buy a plex and you can play with your shiny shitfit ships and lose hundreds of billions worth of garbage all day like the guy Arthur aihaken above your post does. |
h4kun4
Heeresversuchsanstalt The Bastion
30
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Posted - 2015.08.15 01:28:56 -
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i would have nothig against a one time SP remap, i was young and stupid, and failskilled two chars to hell, xD, all dat mining i never use could be gone for good |
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.08.15 03:26:02 -
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Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky wrote:
Do fresh characters plausibly feel competent through SP? |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4572
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Posted - 2015.08.15 04:21:53 -
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Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky wrote:EVE isn't pay 2 win like other games are. EVE is pay to play. You buy a plex and you can play with your shiny shitfit ships and lose hundreds of billions worth of garbage all day like the guy Arthur aihaken above your post does. Some players simply have more time to player than others and earn ISK (including PLEX'ing their subscriptions), and instead of being bitter about it perhaps you should be grateful that there are some players that pay for their subscriptions and occasionally buy PLEX to top up their accounts. It's what affords quite a few numbers of players to play for FREE.
I certainly don't take offence to the fact that there are a lot of players that play for free when I pay for my subscription, and that there are better players. I've never encountered a gaming community quite as vitriolic as this one, though. It has no problem mocking and endlessly belittling players for losing spectacularly - yet it's these same players who only 'keep the lights on' by paying and generating some exciting content in the process. Because if there were never any shiny "windfalls" to be found, I imagine that ganking en masse would become a fairly dismal prospect.
This distorted mentality is the very reason PLEX prices are hovering around a billion ISK. Quite literally, if you do nothing but bite the hand that indirectly feeds you - you're going to eventually go hungry. But don't take it personally. Just remember to turn the lights out when this game winds up with nothing but a bunch of cynical, bitter vets. Because quite honestly, with another year of declining logged-in player numbers - even idiots like you will be willing to entertain ideas you once thought unpalatable.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
222
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Posted - 2015.08.16 06:48:50 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Players should have the opportunity to purchase a pack of 5-million skill points for $50 directly from CCP (no PLEX or AUR). Redemption of these would consume and require one (1) remap, so they would be effectively limited to one per year after you consume all available remaps.
no jita riots?
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Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky
Wormbro The Society For Unethical Treatment Of Sleepers
43
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Posted - 2015.08.16 18:19:43 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky wrote:EVE isn't pay 2 win like other games are. EVE is pay to play. You buy a plex and you can play with your shiny shitfit ships and lose hundreds of billions worth of garbage all day like the guy Arthur aihaken above your post does. Some players simply have more time to player than others and earn ISK (including PLEX'ing their subscriptions), and instead of being bitter about it perhaps you should be grateful that there are some players that pay for their subscriptions and occasionally buy PLEX to top up their accounts. It's what affords quite a few numbers of players to play for FREE.I certainly don't take offence to the fact that there are a lot of players that play for free when I pay for my subscription, and that there are better players. I've never encountered a gaming community quite as vitriolic as this one, though. It has no problem mocking and endlessly belittling players for losing spectacularly - yet it's these same players who only 'keep the lights on' by paying and generating some exciting content in the process. Because if there were never any shiny "windfalls" to be found, I imagine that ganking en masse would become a fairly dismal prospect. This distorted mentality is the very reason PLEX prices are hovering around a billion ISK. Quite literally, if you do nothing but bite the hand that indirectly feeds you - you're going to eventually go hungry. But don't take it personally. Just remember to turn the lights out when this game winds up with nothing but a bunch of cynical, bitter vets. Quite honestly, with another year of declining logged-in player numbers - even idiots like you will be willing to entertain ideas you once thought unpalatable.
Plex is hovering at a billion because plex does more for services introduced by CCP. Demand rises because plex can do more things for them, plex can be converted to isk which can buy aurum which can buy fancy skins. Its not up near a billion because of your garbage "bittervet" theory and some "distorted mentality" farce you wanted to inject. Literally gitgud |
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Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.08.16 23:32:41 -
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Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky wrote:*Speculation*
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4577
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Posted - 2015.08.17 01:53:08 -
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Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky wrote:Plex is hovering at a billion because plex does more for services introduced by CCP. Demand rises because plex can do more things for them, plex can be converted to isk which can buy aurum which can buy fancy skins. PLEX was hovering near a billion ISK long before SKINs were introduced. When it hits two billion ISK per PLEX next year you can continue speculating...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
384
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Posted - 2015.08.17 02:52:54 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky wrote:Plex is hovering at a billion because plex does more for services introduced by CCP. Demand rises because plex can do more things for them, plex can be converted to isk which can buy aurum which can buy fancy skins. PLEX was hovering near a billion ISK long before SKINs were introduced...
Prove it or it didn't happen. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4584
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Posted - 2015.08.17 03:00:42 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Prove it or it didn't happen. Check the history.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Chase Devine
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.20 03:13:01 -
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Remapping skill point falls into the same bucket as a character respawn after death, no consequence - no risk - no fun. Depending on the way its implemented it takes Eve further along the path of decending into a theme park type game style.
If remapping could be done it would have to remain in the domain of the new character, thats to say you can remap skill point within:
1. The first 3 months of a characters life or 2. Within the first 2-5 million skillpoiints
After some type of constraint as above remapping should be not allowed. Eve has a healthy character bazaar so obtaining a character to perform a role is easy.
Chase |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
491
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Posted - 2015.08.20 17:02:53 -
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What I would like to see SP related is to allow us to generate bonus remaps once a year (Could potentially retain the cap at 2). My main arguement for this is that even though you can remap once a year, in practice this almost never happens. It's like going to the jump clone timer, even though it was supposed to be once a day, if it was every 24 hours then its really every other day. Virtually no training plans will last 365 days on the nose, so realistically we don't receive a usable remap once a year.
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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Xackattack Avianson
You are a Pirate
0
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Posted - 2015.08.22 00:53:27 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:What I would like to see SP related is to allow us to generate bonus remaps once a year (Could potentially retain the cap at 2). My main arguement for this is that even though you can remap once a year, in practice this almost never happens. It's like going to the jump clone timer, even though it was supposed to be once a day, if it was every 24 hours then its really every other day. Virtually no training plans will last 365 days on the nose, so realistically we don't receive a usable remap once a year.
I agree! |
Faelune
Tous Pour Un
13
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:27:36 -
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Remapping by PLEX even if it's optional it's smoky. At least those who paid for this will feel owned at the end because the efficiency ingame is not granted only by better skills. And the rythm to acquiere each usefullness from skill is slow. it was always to count on your wise, lucidity and life care in order to win or not lose.
Buying or sell SP like if it is an V12 engine to improve and Old Fart kart is also overkill against player ou can't or do not want to throw more IRL wealth for pixels and shame/fame taht could occure after.
I Could may be agree about this buy and sell sp market only if it restrain constrain twice buyer and seller together. For example. You buy skill from a player. you lose your freedom and cloning is a way for slavery. A principle of Vampirism. A contrario if you sell yourself you lose something. A part of freedom or power equal to the amount sold.
Yeah I know also some guy who watch over my shoulder and think: I could do trial alt and suck their SP to death and Construct my main swiftly quickly and with no regrets. I thought about it a little. We Couldn't sell sp point only from skill we possess. Sell Sp point from a scholar mean Concordoken. Buy SP from a scholar mean Concordoken also. |
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:30:14 -
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Faelune wrote:The efficiency ingame is not granted only by better skills. Something as simple as cap skills can completely define a fit and playstyle. The challenge is if SP is worth reducing interest in the game.
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Faelune
Tous Pour Un
13
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:41:08 -
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Yep because many ships are speciality. The rug we can slip out from their feet is, why to sell and buy SP when some Tech1 role are mostly irrelevant from the start. Logistics for defense, Leadership, interceptor fregate, assault fregate, etc... An AF must cost more because she's better and more comfortable, and more efficient, not beacause she is more difficult to masterise or more fragile. They're not some prototype. |
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Tremain Oldfield
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.08.25 03:58:24 -
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Pilot's Body Resculpt Certificate should come with 1 remap. Creating more demand for that certificate n more money for CCP |
Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2015.08.25 04:23:35 -
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Tremain Oldfield wrote:Creating more demand for that certificate n more money for CCP If they want to create demand for PLEX, cut out the middleman and just offer SP for PLEX directly.
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Renfus
Vaults of Valhalla
5
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Posted - 2015.08.26 09:50:27 -
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It would be great to be able to remap your skill points.. Maybe once a year.. Or once every couple years.. Even if they penalised you and you had to take a 5% loss in skill points to remap.. A miner could turn PvP or industrialist.. You could clean up your core skills...
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Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation
35
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Posted - 2015.08.27 03:24:37 -
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Xackattack Avianson wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:What I would like to see SP related is to allow us to generate bonus remaps once a year (Could potentially retain the cap at 2). My main arguement for this is that even though you can remap once a year, in practice this almost never happens. It's like going to the jump clone timer, even though it was supposed to be once a day, if it was every 24 hours then its really every other day. Virtually no training plans will last 365 days on the nose, so realistically we don't receive a usable remap once a year. I agree!
+1 |
DB Jones
The E-Cartel
5
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Posted - 2015.08.29 05:59:49 -
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I dont see a problem with turning plex into a remap of attributes, skill training is skill training and I dont see how it would affect any sort of game balance.
But re-allocation of skill points is just a bad, bad idea.
Choices should have consequences so if you train skill A but you wish you had trained skill B -well, too bad.
Buying remaps could even be explained RPishly :P |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
438
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Posted - 2015.08.29 06:21:56 -
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DB Jones wrote:I dont see a problem with turning plex into a remap of attributes, skill training is skill training and I dont see how it would affect any sort of game balance.
It would produce a wave of well trained and focused alts. Which we ca't have due to remap limits
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Faelune
Tous Pour Un
13
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Posted - 2015.08.29 12:26:03 -
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Plex for remap some skill point is only an esthetical surgery for old cow who don't like scars or buildy boulders who think he lost his way.
from my point of view of old game master with dice and pen. A plex is cheap. 100 PLEX will be better for this job to be done. |
M33P
Eight Legged Freaky Starfighters
0
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Posted - 2015.08.31 15:56:36 -
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Remap every 6 month instead of 12.
Plex for resetting skillpoints. So if you trained the wrong skills, or want to do industry instead of pvp, pve instead of industry. you can focus more to Your playstyle.
These small changes will bring New life to the game imo.
I'm very strongly against buying skillpoints, but i dont mind the ideas about buying a remap for plex. |
Thomas Gallant
Valkyrie Knights Yulai Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.08.31 19:53:07 -
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Hmm, it's a tricky thing, buying skill resets I'd be against, but some way to change where you have skill points might be useful if done correctly. Lets say if you gave up a 50,000 skill points in a skill you don't need, you could get say, 25,000 "rest" skill points, meaning that whatever you apply those points too would not have an effect instantly, but instead increase your training speed until you've gotten an extra 25,000 skill points compared to how much you'd get normally training.
Basically you'd be sacrificing skill points for slightly faster training. This would prevent the need to have a high standard cost as "flavor of the month" wouldn't be a thing, it would naturally be a slow way to change where your skill points are. and wouldn't favor the rich over the poor, and would also limit the speed you could swap skill points. |
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
4815
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Posted - 2015.08.31 20:03:56 -
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Thomas Gallant wrote:Hmm, it's a tricky thing, buying skill resets I'd be against, but some way to change where you have skill points might be useful if done correctly. Lets say if you gave up a 50,000 skill points in a skill you don't need, you could get say, 25,000 "rest" skill points, meaning that whatever you apply those points too would not have an effect instantly, but instead increase your training speed until you've gotten an extra 25,000 skill points compared to how much you'd get normally training.
Basically you'd be sacrificing skill points for slightly faster training. This would prevent the need to have a high standard cost as "flavor of the month" wouldn't be a thing, it would naturally be a slow way to change where your skill points are. and wouldn't favor the rich over the poor, and would also limit the speed you could swap skill points. How about this?
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