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Pelle Wittewoa
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.23 16:27:23 -
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25 cruizerhulls and 25 frigathulls, worth 50*130b (yah they sell for that) = 6,5 tril
In Euro's @ 1b=15Eu (easy calculating) = 6500*15eu= 97.500 Euro
Whats people's opinion on this? |
Winters Chill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
161
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Posted - 2015.02.23 16:38:09 -
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Its actually worth zero. Unless you commit some form of intellectual property theft.
Legally, in eve, all you ever do is pay for a service. Those items are NEVER actually yours.
Ever.
End of story.
That being said, there is a rough mecahnism for determining real world value, which is a handy marketting and epeenage swelling tool.
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
505
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Posted - 2015.02.23 16:49:54 -
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While the curmudgeon above is technically correct, those ships still hold a monetary value in conversion rates, as you can work out the value of the ships and convert that into PLEX (which has an established value).
Personally, I have no qualms about ships of that value being put up for prize winning.
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Winters Chill
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
162
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:04:57 -
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Arline Kley wrote: curmudgeon above is technically correct,
I also hate fun: thats why I play eve. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
6070
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:09:58 -
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You need to go with the insurance payout to get the real ISK value and then you need to go with the rock bottom prices of illicit RMT to convert it into real cash. Then the first prize looks much more reasonable.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
233
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:11:11 -
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Winters Chill wrote:Its actually worth zero. .
Not if it is used to add game time to your account.
6,500,000,000,000 / 800,000,000 (current average PLEX price) = 8125
8125 / 12 = 677.1
So it is 677 years worth of game time. Unless I messed up on the math.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2780
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:11:36 -
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If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year?
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3164
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:32:27 -
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Tuttomenui II wrote:Winters Chill wrote:Its actually worth zero. . Not if it is used to add game time to your account. 6,500,000,000,000 / 800,000,000 (current average PLEX price) = 8125 8125 / 12 = 677.1 So it is 677 years worth of game time. Unless I messed up on the math. This is a good point. If you are currently paying for eve with real money, and/or buying PLEX to fund in-game activities, that prize is worth a huge savings in possible future real world expenses.
One thing to think about: If you sell the asset, the market price will drop. So using present prices is not very accurate.
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Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
41
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:42:37 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year? I think you are mistaking CODE for the IRS. Not too far-fetched of a mistake. |
Vyl Vit
1062
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:35:12 -
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OP - I think your math is a little off.
Anyone with any sense has already left town.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
276
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:45:20 -
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Your math is flawed. SOME Sell for that, but most aren't going to be sold at all, or at well below that. Additionally, they are spread out over multiple individuals on the team (and sometimes beyond that, like if they were given isk to prepare).
Not only that, several of the high-tier AT Teams have their own stockpiles of Existing AT Prize Ships for use.. Which they risk and can at times lose.. We have had several Etana's die, Adrestia's, a plethora of the various frigs including 3 Malice's during the first NEO..
Is it a lot of potential isk? Yes, But it's also a Huge investment for most of the good teams, not just isk for ships and such, but in practices, forming stratifies, theory-crafting, etc. |
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1808
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:48:40 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year? what I find funny is they are trying to charge me for someone ELSE's intellectual property I have no right to. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
130
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:56:32 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year? what I find funny is they are trying to charge me for someone ELSE's intellectual property I have no right to.
I just fill in the value of all the assets I actually own.
$0.00
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9878
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Posted - 2015.02.23 21:01:27 -
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Elenahina wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year? what I find funny is they are trying to charge me for someone ELSE's intellectual property I have no right to. I just fill in the value of all the assets I actually own. $0.00
Lies, the EULA states clearly that once you pay 15 dollars one time, everything you own in EVE is yours forever.
(I didn't say WHICH EULA, it's not the CCP one, it's the one I just wrote on this here napkin, it will so stand up in an Icelandic court!) |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
130
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Posted - 2015.02.23 21:11:09 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Elenahina wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year? what I find funny is they are trying to charge me for someone ELSE's intellectual property I have no right to. I just fill in the value of all the assets I actually own. $0.00 Lies, the EULA states clearly that once you pay 15 dollars one time, everything you own in EVE is yours forever. (I didn't say WHICH EULA, it's not the CCP one, it's the one I just wrote on this here napkin, it will so stand up in an Icelandic court!)
DOUBLE LIES! THE EUAL I WROTE SAYS I OWN EVERYTHING YOU OWN, ONLY I CAN OWN IT DOUBLE BETTER TNAN YOU SO THERER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, the IRS is pretty stupid. At this point. they are basically trying to justify why they continue to exist.
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Serene Repose
2294
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Posted - 2015.02.23 21:30:10 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Elenahina wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year? what I find funny is they are trying to charge me for someone ELSE's intellectual property I have no right to. I just fill in the value of all the assets I actually own. $0.00 Lies, the EULA states clearly that once you pay 15 dollars one time, everything you own in EVE is yours forever. (I didn't say WHICH EULA, it's not the CCP one, it's the one I just wrote on this here napkin, it will so stand up in an Icelandic court!) You so funny!
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Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2015.02.23 23:34:40 -
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Pelle Wittewoa wrote:25 cruizerhulls and 25 frigathulls, worth 50*130b (yah they sell for that) = 6,5 tril
In Euro's @ 1b=15Eu (easy calculating) = 6500*15eu= 97.500 Euro
Whats people's opinion on this?
same every year... do you realize there are hundrets of trillionares (not RMT guys)? no big deal... you can convert $->ISK (plex) not the opposite way (unless you want Icelandic Krona)
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Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
65
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Posted - 2015.02.24 11:46:11 -
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65 New titans or 325 moms is an awesome price! You could actually suicide those in an all-in cap battle with your enemy and still come out on top! |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2135
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Posted - 2015.02.24 11:51:43 -
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Winters Chill wrote:Its actually worth zero. Unless you commit some form of intellectual property theft.
Legally, in eve, all you ever do is pay for a service. Those items are NEVER actually yours.
Ever.
End of story.
Woohoo. Can we like make a picture of this post and post it at the top of every killboard/Eve related website and stop comparing ISK to real world currency? |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
132
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Posted - 2015.02.24 14:43:47 -
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You could, but let's face it, people who care about kill board states wouldn't stop stroking their epeen long enough to read it.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.24 14:56:04 -
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Pelle Wittewoa wrote:25 cruizerhulls and 25 frigathulls, worth 50*130b (yah they sell for that) = 6,5 tril
In Euro's @ 1b=15Eu (easy calculating) = 6500*15eu= 97.500 Euro
Whats people's opinion on this?
My opinion is that ships are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. If somebody is willing to pay 150 bil ISK for a ship, with ISK they either spent hours and hours of time gathering, or spent real money purchasing via PLEX, that's their business. If nobody who plays EVE wants to purchase those ships, making their value zero, that's fine IMO too.
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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
738
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Posted - 2015.02.24 15:00:03 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:If game items don't have a real life value attached to them, then why is the IRS trying to get me to pay taxes on my MMO assets every year?
Those are the new "Tax Man" interceptors you're going to see at the gates soon. As soon as you jump in, a 500km, x100 scram strength bubble pops up.
Better have your paperwork in order.
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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.
**This IS my main so STFU.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
527
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Posted - 2015.02.24 15:49:40 -
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Pelle Wittewoa wrote:25 cruizerhulls and 25 frigathulls, worth 50*130b (yah they sell for that) = 6,5 tril
In Euro's @ 1b=15Eu (easy calculating) = 6500*15eu= 97.500 Euro
Whats people's opinion on this?
A frigate worth 130 B ? Are they doing an all-Chremoas tournament this year or something ?
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Artenso Vestindal
Dark Flames of Amarr
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Posted - 2015.02.24 20:58:35 -
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Pelle Wittewoa wrote:25 cruizerhulls and 25 frigathulls, worth 50*130b (yah they sell for that) = 6,5 tril
In Euro's @ 1b=15Eu (easy calculating) = 6500*15eu= 97.500 Euro
Whats people's opinion on this?
Well... put aside all that stuff about how those price is or is not actually owned by winner, how its cost is only reflection of market and any other game related stuff as it is ingame price, not actual money... 97500 euro pricepool for major tournament held once a year? To me (who sometimes watch for example Starcraft or LoL leagues) it seems completely OK. |
Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
39446
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Posted - 2015.02.25 01:36:48 -
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and how much exactly is the entry fee ? |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
813
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Posted - 2015.02.25 03:30:50 -
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AT teams work very hard for up to a year to earn those prizes. Its a deserved award.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
793
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Posted - 2015.02.25 10:47:13 -
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Aiwha wrote:AT teams work very hard for up to a year to earn those prizes. Its a deserved award.
For UP TO a year? Its more than that for most of the good teams particularly the ones you see year after year
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2782
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Posted - 2015.02.25 10:49:39 -
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Let's not ignore the fact that the AT has been a rigged scam from the second one onwards.
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Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
352
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Posted - 2015.02.25 11:23:26 -
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Well I personally lurves it when the Tourney eventually comes round, good telly is good tellly yeah. Just for the hours I have enjoyed viewing, whilst minimal to those that have actually prepared to provide the spectacle, it is imho time well spent. To the the Victor the spoils amen.
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RiP BooBoo
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Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
2196
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Posted - 2015.02.25 12:54:50 -
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Would really like to see how many teams would actually show up, and in what ships, if NO PRIZES were offered.
All macho bullshit and epeen posturing aside, it would be alot fewer.
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