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Vegetate
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.10.10 06:29:00 -
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G'day -
To cut a long story short (im currently corpless but probably joining my own ) and i live in .0
generally just flying around seeing what there is to see etc. Now I fly an AF (wolf - god it looks awesome)
but - yes yes i know .0 is dangerous...
what possible defence is there to a bubble camp..? everytime i seem to fly into a bubble i kiss my ship & pod goodbye ..
Suggestions please anyone? 1 lone af cannot hope to win against 3,5,7 etc so naturally i need some suggestions on how to escape the bubble?
Cheers for the help :)
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.10 06:42:00 -
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MWD?
Scout it and don't jump in the wolf?
RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Firane
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.10 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: Firane on 10/10/2006 06:43:54 If you're in the system, fly in from a different trajectory than the bubble is on (assuming it isn't a full surrounding of the gate.)
If you jump into bubbles, fly out of them.
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Vegetate
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.10.10 06:47:00 -
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yeah i have an MWD fitted - nice speed but of course with the added sig radius the damange is a first class **** to be on the receiving end of
I do check the map obviously for people in the next system - but ive found the map is often wrong - the map may say 2 in the system when theres 20
and scouting - unfortunately the scanner (from what ive seen) can only scout around 7au so its really only good for telling you whats coming ie if your warping to the next gate. /shrug
im thinking of fitting a couple wcs to the wolf - but of course that will leave me with no tank - which again is almost useless -
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.10.10 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vegetate yeah i have an MWD fitted - nice speed but of course with the added sig radius the damange is a first class **** to be on the receiving end of
I do check the map obviously for people in the next system - but ive found the map is often wrong - the map may say 2 in the system when theres 20
and scouting - unfortunately the scanner (from what ive seen) can only scout around 7au so its really only good for telling you whats coming ie if your warping to the next gate. /shrug
im thinking of fitting a couple wcs to the wolf - but of course that will leave me with no tank - which again is almost useless -
the map works on a 30 minute average look at jumps in last hour if its a lot u know a gangs moving around
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Firane
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.10 06:52:00 -
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The scanner goes to 14AU actually
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Heritor
Caldari Polytope
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Posted - 2006.10.10 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vegetate
and scouting - unfortunately the scanner (from what ive seen) can only scout around 7au so its really only good for telling you whats coming ie if your warping to the next gate. /shrug
im thinking of fitting a couple wcs to the wolf - but of course that will leave me with no tank - which again is almost useless -
I am sure its a little over 14AU
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Fiona Farrow
Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.10.10 07:03:00 -
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If you jump into a bubble, a good approach might be as follows:
1) Don't panic. You have 30 seconds to assess the situation. That's plenty of time. 2) Look around at what is in the bubble camp. Is it huge? Many/few tacklers, heavy hitters? Interdictors?
3) How is your ship (still invisible) aligned, compared to distant celestial objects?
4) Are you even in any of the bubbles?
5) Now that you know more, it is time to take action. Depending on your observations, one of the following might be viable:
- Warp off to best aligned celestial object - Align for an object and mwd out of bubble then hit warp - Mwd back to the gate you just came through and jump back - only a fast locking webber can stop you here
None of this is failproof though. Often good intel and recon is the key. Good luck.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.10.10 07:13:00 -
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well, i have had lil succsess whit this tactic :P
yump to a gate at 100... and scan the gate while you are getting close... then you can see if theres enybody there... if it empty... jump to another place and jump back again on normal range. i even sometimes do this when i have instas :P sometimes they can have a ship that can insta lock you :(
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.10.10 07:17:00 -
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In addition to the other suggestions...
Originally by: Vegetate
and scouting - unfortunately the scanner (from what ive seen) can only scout around 7au so its really only good for telling you whats coming ie if your warping to the next gate.
Scan from a planet near the gate or a SS if you have it. Be sure to make scanning safespots as you roam, as some systems won't have anything near enough to the gate. Plus safespots are safer and often more convenient.
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Complacency's Bane
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.10 07:19:00 -
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Presumably 'jumping into a bubble camp' means jumping into a deployed interdictor bubble.
Theres not much you can do in that situation in a small, slow ship like a wolf. You can haul ass to the gate, and thats about it.
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Raquel Smith
Caldari Ferengi Commerce Authority
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Posted - 2006.10.10 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Vegetate what possible defence is there to a bubble camp..? everytime i seem to fly into a bubble i kiss my ship & pod goodbye ..
Easy. Log out and wait til hostiles are gone before logging back in.
In the mean time you can come here and watch the campers whine.
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Complacency's Bane
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.10 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 10/10/2006 08:04:07
Originally by: Raquel Smith Easy. Log out and wait til hostiles are gone before logging back in.
In the mean time you can come here and watch the campers whine.
Hes in a wolf. He wont survive the logout. Its neither agile nor durable.
I'm so glad that youre contributing to the logging debate while knowing exactly NOTHING about how it works or even what it is. Arguments made in ignorance tend to be the most fun to read.
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Raquel Smith
Caldari Ferengi Commerce Authority
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Posted - 2006.10.10 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Complacency's Bane Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 10/10/2006 08:04:07
Originally by: Raquel Smith Easy. Log out and wait til hostiles are gone before logging back in.
In the mean time you can come here and watch the campers whine.
Hes in a wolf. He wont survive the logout. Its neither agile nor durable.
I'm so glad that youre contributing to the logging debate while knowing exactly NOTHING about how it works or even what it is. Arguments made in ignorance tend to be the most fun to read.
I know exactly what it is and how it works and I have personally used it many times to evade Red Alliance gate camps (when I was still in the area). It's saved a Badger 2 with two expanders and one WCS. I'm sure his Wolf will stand a better chance logging out than stuck in a bubble.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Raquel Smith
Originally by: Complacency's Bane Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 10/10/2006 08:04:07
Originally by: Raquel Smith Easy. Log out and wait til hostiles are gone before logging back in.
In the mean time you can come here and watch the campers whine.
Hes in a wolf. He wont survive the logout. Its neither agile nor durable.
I'm so glad that youre contributing to the logging debate while knowing exactly NOTHING about how it works or even what it is. Arguments made in ignorance tend to be the most fun to read.
I know exactly what it is and how it works and I have personally used it many times to evade Red Alliance gate camps (when I was still in the area). It's saved a Badger 2 with two expanders and one WCS. I'm sure his Wolf will stand a better chance logging out than stuck in a bubble.
So unbelivably lame. It seems your even proud of borderline exploiting. -----
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:15:00 -
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well there are two possibilities ...
1. race back to the gate like a mofo (works with an AF only if they don't have webbers or to many heavy damagedealers - but works great if you're flying an interceptor.)
2. try to move out of the bubble and warp asap - if you're scrambled and going down - try atleast to get out of the bubble and choose an celestial object and hammer the "warp to" button 'til your ship is down - it will allmost insta-warp your pod.
at the guy recommending the logout tactic - you deserve the "lame carebear of the year" award ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:17:00 -
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log out if u feel like a lame carebear (wont be many but there will be those so ill state the obvious) me ill go down fighting take at least one with me
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Vegetate
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Raquel Smith
Originally by: Vegetate what possible defence is there to a bubble camp..? everytime i seem to fly into a bubble i kiss my ship & pod goodbye ..
Easy. Log out and wait til hostiles are gone before logging back in.
In the mean time you can come here and watch the campers whine.
um couldnt really log out - as i dont see it as being overly fair . I am the hunted - they hunt .. I get that concept :-)
unfortunately they seem to be alot better at their job than i am at mine at the moment (grins at AAA alliance)
I thought of warping to planets etc - but i guess its a time factor, take longer be safer - or run risks and get podded 2x a night . /shrug
Is it worth do you think fitting a couple wcs on the wolf? I know damage tanking will be miserable with this but from a tackling perspective?
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Raquel Smith
Caldari Ferengi Commerce Authority
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ozzie Asrail
So unbelivably lame. It seems your even proud of borderline exploiting.
Lame like letting your coalition losing an outpost?
Anyways... it saved my ship and clone. It was well worth it and I'd do it again.
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Raquel Smith
Caldari Ferengi Commerce Authority
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vegetate
um couldnt really log out - as i dont see it as being overly fair . I am the hunted - they hunt .. I get that concept :-)
With this attitude you are already dead, you may as well self destruct.
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Vegetate
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Raquel Smith
Originally by: Vegetate
um couldnt really log out - as i dont see it as being overly fair . I am the hunted - they hunt .. I get that concept :-)
With this attitude you are already dead, you may as well self destruct.
I just dont see logging out mid fight as an acceptable way to play /sorry
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Vegetate
um couldnt really log out - as i dont see it as being overly fair . I am the hunted - they hunt .. I get that concept :-)
unfortunately they seem to be alot better at their job than i am at mine at the moment (grins at AAA alliance)
I thought of warping to planets etc - but i guess its a time factor, take longer be safer - or run risks and get podded 2x a night . /shrug
Is it worth do you think fitting a couple wcs on the wolf? I know damage tanking will be miserable with this but from a tackling perspective?
well .. best bet in your case to survive such a gatecamp is avoiding it. try another route maybe you find a quiet one ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Gwarnina
Minmatar eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Riho yump to a gate at 100... and scan the gate while you are getting close... then you can see if theres enybody there... if it empty... jump to another place and jump back again on normal range. i even sometimes do this when i have instas :P sometimes they can have a ship that can insta lock you
If there is a bubble on the gate and you jump to 100km, the bubble will still suck you and you will end up dead - or at least facing the very same issue we're discussing. You will not be sucked in if you have a bookmark away from the gate, like a sniping position.
A bubble will suck you in if the line drawn between your point of origin and point of destination enters the bubble. The line does not stop at the destination but continues beyond. A carefully placed bubble, even 60km beyond the gate but still on a line between gate A and gate B will suck you in when you warp from A to B, whether at 15km or 100km. |
EvilNate
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:49:00 -
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If you are living in a specific .0 regoin, it helps to setup travel insta's. Make BM's near all gates, so you can easily scan for a camp and bubbles. Get a noob char in a shuttle to scout 1 jump ahead of you, so you can see if someone has setup a bubble on the other side of a gate. -------- www.bydi.org - Mercanaries for Hire |
Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vegetate G'day -
To cut a long story short (im currently corpless but probably joining my own ) and i live in .0
generally just flying around seeing what there is to see etc. Now I fly an AF (wolf - god it looks awesome)
but - yes yes i know .0 is dangerous...
what possible defence is there to a bubble camp..? everytime i seem to fly into a bubble i kiss my ship & pod goodbye ..
Suggestions please anyone? 1 lone af cannot hope to win against 3,5,7 etc so naturally i need some suggestions on how to escape the bubble?
Cheers for the help :)
I'm a fan of the Jaguar oer the Wolf these days but this should all still work for you.
If you jump into a system and find yourself bubbled race back to the gate. Even if they get a couple of webs on you inertia should get you to jump range. Just don't shoot / activate hostile mod or you will be flagged as agro and unable to use the gate for 30 seconds.
If you warp to a gate and land in a bubble the same applies as long as you are close to the gate. The longest gate dash I did was 26km in a Prowler. The two Apocs sniping the gate got one volly off before I jumped and my shield tank absorbed that. Your wolf probably ain't as agile as my prowler so you'll have to get a feel for what is good dashing distance.
If you are too far away from the gate then fly towards a planet and warp as soon as able. Drop BMs mid warp to make safeish spots and keep moving between them to buy thinking time as needed. Don't stop at the first planet or you'll find out why they call it an interceptor.
I'm guessing you use ACs on your Wolf, that means you can't touch a 20km scram boat and you are unlikely to be able to outrun them if they are an inty. Arties will reach out and kill an intie tackler no problem, if you are fast you just need to kill the tackler and run. ECM is good in these cases but the Wolf doesn't have the mids for it. I like the Jag for it's extra speed and the versitility the mids give (ECM / Shield Tank / Tackler - Choose one ).
Good luck and remember, if you do still get caught go down shooting.
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Redbad
Minmatar Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.10 10:06:00 -
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Hmm, is it possible to cloak inside a bubble? As a hunter I would ofcourse scramble for the last known position of the cloaker and decloak him ASAP, but if it works inside a bubble its perhaps worth a try. I see some drawbacks mind you: a cloak is 10mio+ ISK and uses a highslot where you could have put a heavyhitter to fight back (my preference), furthermore, you are megaslow cloaked and might not be able to get away fast.
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Megan Ryder
VentureCorp CORE.
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Posted - 2006.10.10 10:14:00 -
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I'm glad to see ur not taking the logging off suggestion.
Ultimately, the best defense against this is to get your corp sorted, or join one, and get in on a local intel chat channel. Any camps like this will be announced, but if you do get caught, you can at least save others from the same fate.
As said above, warp to a planet within 14au of the gate and scan. When jumping in, DON'T PANIC look where you are in relation to the bubbles whilst ur still cloaked, and pick an object to warp to that takes you out of the bubbles when u align. Keep hitting warp to as you power towards it, at the least it will save ur pod.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.10.10 10:26:00 -
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you have to turn off overview settings to see a warp disrupt probe on scan.
if you jump through a gate and see a camp on your gate without a bubble, immediately pick a planet, whatever you can click first. chances are they were camping and the bubble died at some point and they ddn't think to replace it(it happens). if you initiate warp before the bubble is deployed, it doesn't affect you, this applies to warping out and landing. I have lost and saved several ships due to warping or not warping off the gate in time.
I'M IN YOUR SYSTEMS. I'M KILLING YOUR MANS!!! |
Fubear
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Posted - 2006.10.10 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Fubear on 10/10/2006 11:36:56 When you are caught in a bubble, there are a number of options available to you.
1) Fly out of bubble and warp away. 2) Fly to gate and jump out 3) Fly to station and dock 4) Kill the bubble campers 5) CTRL-Q 6) Kiss Ship&Pod goodbye
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Gonada
Gallente Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.10.10 12:06:00 -
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lol
i had to laugh when reading all of the "opinions" bout how to escape a bubblecamp that you jump in to.
fyi, theres nothing you can do, UNLESS:
a. you log, and are in a tough nuff ship to survive it.
b. are in a extremely small fast ship and are able to make it back to the gate.
c. the gate campers are noobs, are asleep, or arnt paying attention.
otherwise your dead, gate campers know this, why do you think they gate camp?
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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