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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2015.02.25 15:47:44 -
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Taking the devils advocate for a minute.
Sabriz Adoudel has a t least two good ideas:
Increase the wardec charges if a stronger corp/alliance wardecs a weaker/smaller corp/alliance.
Introduce small benefits to being a long term member of a player-run corporation such as small percentage increases in mining yield.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
666
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Posted - 2015.02.25 15:52:43 -
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Hmm. I just realized that although it makes up only a tiny percent of my play time, the PvE activity I do the most is mining (gas to be precise) so by that definition I am a miner.
I'll be voting for Sabriz who is for many things I like, including making mining a more engaging and rewarding experience for active and aware miners. Steve, who is for similar reforms, will probably also find a place on my ballot.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Belinda HwaFang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
41
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Posted - 2015.02.25 16:03:32 -
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Steve Ronuken is your best bet if you are at all doing industry outside of just mining ore and selling it.
But I beg you to expand your mind and look for candidates who don't advocate just one playstyle (I'm not saying that is Steve, by the way) -- Fang |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2030
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Posted - 2015.02.25 16:15:41 -
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Tora Bushido is extremely miner friendly. While he might be the leader of one of the largest highsec PVP entities in the game, his policies are all laced with carebear agendas. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5177
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Posted - 2015.02.25 16:50:54 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I'd still vote for Sabriz over most of the other candidates... I prefer a risky and exciting high sec over a foam padded one. Without a potential for real loss, can you really enjoy gain? So if your for risk, why would you want to foam pad ganking even further? If your for "real loss", then why don't you care that most ganks are done with disposable ships that literally cost less than pocket change.
I have no problem if people want to add risk to highsec in balance. I have no problem if people want to remove reward from highsec in balance. What I have an issue with are people like Sabriz who want to add benefits to them and theirs and support changes game mechanics to force other players to need to engage in battles which they will definitely lose, and in gameplay they don't enjoy, just to provide themselves with more targets. I have a problem with people who hide behind the pretense of wanting balance while pushing for the scales to tilt in their favour.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5177
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Posted - 2015.02.25 16:53:06 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I've never said it wasn't a valid gameplay, i'm just saying that it's quite a bit more dangerous and stressful than mining with others.
Nevermind that, if you're going to pay CCP $15 a month to solo mine, you might as well just be playing a Facebook game. Vote Sabriz. The excitement you need, whether you know it or not. People pay CCP $15 a month to play however they want. Whether or not you think their gameplay style is exciting enough is irrelevant.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5177
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Posted - 2015.02.25 17:01:35 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:Taking the devils advocate for a minute.
Sabriz Adoudel has a t least two good ideas:
Increase the wardec charges if a stronger corp/alliance wardecs a weaker/smaller corp/alliance. Arguable. The problem is that most of the most competent highsec PvP group that wardec are tiny, so the amounts they pay would likely not change much. Also, with his idea there's the issue that you can wardec anyone for cheap using a 1 man corp then invite your real corp as allies.
The way it currently works is you pay more to have more war targets. The whole system needs an overhaul to be honest though.
Bethan Le Troix wrote:Introduce small benefits to being a long term member of a player-run corporation such as small percentage increases in mining yield. So bring WoW guild perks to EVE. What woulds stop people simply running their own corps for one or two characters just to get the bonuses and still being about as free from conflict as they currently are? And then you'd also have the issue that a group wardecs them who they stand absolutely zero chance of defending against, now they have the options: - Drop corp and lose all of your bonuses - Don't play until the wardec is over. - Pay a substantial amount of isk for either a surrender or hire mercs which may or may not be effective.
At the end of the day, that idea is to make it easier for wardec groups to force corps into positions they can't function in so that they are forced to lose out whatever they do.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
283
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Posted - 2015.02.25 17:05:02 -
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Hakuren Shidou wrote:kinda curious i was looking into the csm forum section but WHo stands for miners ?
James 315
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1425
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Posted - 2015.02.25 17:15:54 -
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Well I voted for 1 goon approved guy mostly because he didn't say he was a goon approved candidate.
No one's perfect i guess :O
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
201
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Posted - 2015.02.25 17:51:10 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:if you're going to pay CCP $15 a month to solo mine, you might as well just be playing a Facebook game.
So what? Not yours to decide. CCP wants them and tries to entice those players. EvE gets more Lore stuff, which is more likely to be enjoyed by more PvE players.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Vote Sabriz. The excitement you need, whether you know it or not.
I know very well what i need. What i do not need are smartas?s, who try to tell me what i have to do. That wont work.
Even i could be a better CSM than Sabriz. Even if ganking is not my kind of game, i can take the view and the needs of gankers and weigh them carefully with the needs of ALL other players. AND i a not trying to tell others what they should do.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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Harry Saq
Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn
61
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Posted - 2015.02.25 17:54:34 -
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If you want to look up the actual candidates responses rather than fill out the 60 questions yourself, go here: http://match.eve-csm.com/compare.php
You can also check box individual candidates in case the page is breaking or being dumb ;)
Harry Saq for CSM X
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4976
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Posted - 2015.02.25 17:56:35 -
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While I'm not specifically standing for Miners, I would like to see some things change for them. Mostly be adding gameplay to finding asteroids, rather than the actual act of mining. Of course, the CSM isn't a group of game designers. We can just make suggestions. But it should give you some kind of idea where I stand on it. https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/2013/05/31/mining-rights/ is an old copy of the basic idea. There have been some tweaks to it, but the core is similar.
Someone else I'd suggest thinking about is Mike Azariah. Close to the classic 'carebear' lifestyle.
Woo! CSM 9!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Diemos Hiaraki
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:06:26 -
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baltec1 wrote:La Rynx wrote: So who to vote?
Why, you vote for the list naturally! Miners and industrialists of highsec rejoice! Vote for the people on the list and we will get more destruction in nullsec as more people are able to take systems for themselves. More death means a need for more ships, more ships means more minerals needed, more minerals needed means higher prices for the minerals YOU mine. Vote smart, vote often, follow the list for a better tomorrow.
When Sion was running for CSM9 he warned of what null stagnation leads to in his 'Cap stable podcast' interview; and I think baltec1 is making a really important point that if you are a miner you really should be voting for those null folks who want to wage war. Bored sov null players often turn to ganking to relieve the monotony of what sov has become.
- My list for what it's worth - lots of null for the above reasons but I'd be fairly happy with baltec1's CSM too
Sion Kumitomo Corebloodbrothers Manfred Sideous Steve Ronuken Endie Gorga Thoric Frosthammer Corbexx Bam Stroker Sugar Kyle Sort Dragon Jayne Fillon UAxDEATH Gorski Car
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
201
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:07:23 -
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i really wonder if something could be achieved, that supports the fun off all the different play styles. all sectors have theirs pros and cons. and sometimes i do not want to spend hours mining or hours hunting in a fleet. Still i want to play the same game and not an alternative.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1813
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:14:05 -
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so far every "mining" CSM member ive seen ever cant come up with mining concepts that arent a reintroduction of loot spew, some horrid minigame, or an abomination of both thrown together to ensure the only way to mine is to sit there for hours on end doing the exact same thing without pause
its terrible, as it is mining is fine and allows me to play on one monitor and chat with friends without being forced to stop my business-related work. and the only thing wrong with mining ships is that most miners still dont know the difference between tanking and yield mods. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
772
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:15:53 -
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Hakuren Shidou wrote:kinda curious i was looking into the csm forum section but WHo stands for miners ?
I'm not sure you want a candidate who spends the entire term afk, and wont talk to others
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Jallukola
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:19:17 -
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It is irrelevant who to vote, it only matters how much they pay for the vote.
Leo Moracchioli - All About That Bass
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Harry Saq
Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn
61
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:22:42 -
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Also, when you vote, vote with your heart....or your Harry Saq ;)
...ok, that was bad
Harry Saq for CSM X
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9903
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:34:35 -
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[quote=Steve Ronuken Mostly be adding gameplay to finding asteroids, rather than the actual act of mining. [/quote]
Now that is thinking outside the box. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1415
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:39:03 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:While I'm not specifically standing for Miners, I would like to see some things change for them. Mostly be adding gameplay to finding asteroids, rather than the actual act of mining.
Like...gravimetric sites?
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Kraft Ogburn
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:55:29 -
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Yeah voted for Endie and Bam as well. |
Kraft Ogburn
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:59:11 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote: Someone else I'd suggest thinking about is Mike Azariah. Close to the classic 'carebear' lifestyle.
Yup voted for him too.
I figure a cool panel of different mindsets is the best course. I voted for a guy from Brave, RvB, Goonwaffe, and a carebear. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4976
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Posted - 2015.02.25 19:05:16 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:While I'm not specifically standing for Miners, I would like to see some things change for them. Mostly be adding gameplay to finding asteroids, rather than the actual act of mining. Like...gravimetric sites?
With this, bear in mind that the CSM just get to suggest stuff. And that's in general terms. So treat this as an F&I post, or indicative of how I'd respond to something coming from CCP.
As they're just 'warp to roids and mine', not really.
Some kind of prospecting mechanic, where, given time, you can find better roids, if you have the skill. And those roids can be claimed for a corporation. (the prospecting creates the deposit. So someone can't just find all the best ones and lock someone out) so if someone claim jumps, retaliation is possible. Claims would be sellable too. Corp, rather than player level. (giving a corp a reason to exist to mine.)
Woo! CSM 9!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
6092
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Posted - 2015.02.25 19:13:08 -
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You were talking about mining? Who supports this?
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16151
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Posted - 2015.02.25 22:12:36 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote: Mostly be adding gameplay to finding asteroids, rather than the actual act of mining. Now that is thinking outside the box.
Steve is a smart guy. He'll be #2 on my list.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23173
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Posted - 2015.02.25 22:41:42 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote: Mostly be adding gameplay to finding asteroids, rather than the actual act of mining. Now that is thinking outside the box. Steve is a smart guy. He'll be #2 on my list. Didn't even read his manifesto, just voted with him as #2 on my list too.
Steve knows his stuff inside out.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4728
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Posted - 2015.02.25 22:54:18 -
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Heh, I missed this thread until now.
Mining is currently ridiculously boring, so dull that most people do it as close to AFK as they are able (either via CCP approved methods like AFK-ish mining, or via bannable offences like botting). This needs to change.
Player actions offer some of the solution to keep mining interesting by making it dangerous, but it is my feeling that the system for mining is broken enough to need serious work.
I would endorse changes to mining mechanics that incentivise miners to work together and field fleets with combat escorts to protect them from both player and NPC dangers. Currently this is not even remotely sensible to do.
Until then, I will shoot the AFK miners (both doing it myself and facilitating other gankers) and help thin out your competition.
Edit: For what it's worth I do also endorse Steve R for CSM as his in-game actions are those of a producer that will actively defend himself in-game when his interests are threatened. More miners and producers should follow his lead.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Omgitsbears
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.02.25 22:58:51 -
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Hakuren Shidou wrote:kinda curious i was looking into the csm forum section but WHo stands for miners ?
Do we even need a CSM who represents miners? I have a 1+ year old mining alt and I use that character the most, and I really don't feel like this is an area of Eve-O that needs to be visited. Maybe a Tier III mining vessel would be real cool, but otherwise I can't think of anything CCP needs to change about this profession. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4730
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Posted - 2015.02.25 23:15:00 -
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Oh and one more thing that might surprise people. I would support improvements to the Prospect, to make it more effective than it currently is as a mining vessel.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23420
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Posted - 2015.02.25 23:34:31 -
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Mining is at the center of Sab's conflict and opportunity platform. At its onset it might seem hostile and adversarial, but the truth is that a lot of the other candidates have things other than mining to worry about in this big giant game that is EVE.
Sab might drive changes into cooperative play for mining, or how mining opportunities align with player corporations, or she just might completely wreck mining ISK/hr or move resources out of hisec altogether.
The point is, we have a person here who is thinking about this often-lampooned and afterthought-ish career of mining in EVE as a pillar of her platform. She could be a channel for more dialog about this profession in the next year of CSM. She would certainly draw our collective attentions to mining, above and over stuff like SOV and POSes that a pure miner might not care about.
Mike may be another candidate with his eye on this topic. I will be putting a vote in for Mike, but I personally can't agree with most of what he supports.
Edit: Grammar is hard. It might seem with my poor word choices that I'm speaking for these candidates.. I am not. It is simply my observations of what they appear to support. Happy voting.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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