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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.26 19:39:50 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Thank you. It is a reflection of how I feel. Like playing Quake? I wish I could understand what you meant, Blue.
Quake is the brownest game of all time.
Why do bad threads happen to good people?
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.26 19:43:46 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Thank you. It is a reflection of how I feel. Like playing Quake? I wish I could understand what you meant, Blue. Quake is the brownest game of all time.
Not true
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Seven Koskanaiken
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.02.26 20:00:29 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Jen, an Alliance being able to squeeze out more votes speaks to the spirit of "strength in numbers" that is characteristic of EVE. If others wanted changes they are interested in seeing, shouldn't they try to do the strength in numbers thing, too? Perhaps they have been blobbed, ganked, cowed and think they are the minority? Hisec contains the overwhelming majority of players in EVE. Amongst these, hisec aggressors may be vocal, but they are a statistical minority. How can <5% of the population cow or blob the 95%? In a game where you can't die, and are not burdened by the legacy inequalities of inheritance and genetics, the only reason the 95% may not be voting or forming large, unassailable alliances is their apathy. Do you think my evaluation here is incorrect? Quote:By the way, lovely new profile icon. Thank you. It is a reflection of how I feel.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.26 20:08:33 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Jen, an Alliance being able to squeeze out more votes speaks to the spirit of "strength in numbers" that is characteristic of EVE. If others wanted changes they are interested in seeing, shouldn't they try to do the strength in numbers thing, too? Perhaps they have been blobbed, ganked, cowed and think they are the minority? the only reason the 95% may not be voting or forming large, unassailable alliances is their apathy. I think the apathy has a root in repeated failure.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
985
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Posted - 2015.02.27 02:27:20 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Most people don't vote for CSM because they don't know it exists. This is too true. I saw nothing on the launcher today.
CSM Ten movement for change.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2015.02.27 04:29:32 -
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baltec1 wrote:Got nothing to do? Then exercise your Democratic right and go vote for the CSM. My that's a lot of people to chose from, if only there was a way to know which ones to vote for. Well great news, we have done all the hard work for you! Sion Kumitomo Endie Thoric Frosthammer Manfred Sideous Bobmon Bam Stroker Sort Dragon Gorga UAxDEATH Corebloodbrothers Corbexx Steve Ronuken Sugar Kyle Tora Bushido Highsec sperg: But dem alls be nasty nullblob types. Quite right peasant and its that way for a reason. This is the year that CCP "fixes" sov and all of the above are dedicated to ridding us of the current terrible system and replacing it with one that will; Reduce goons to one region. Deal with the 20,000 supers (we arn't kidding, ******* things are everywhere) out there to end their reign of invulnerable **** machines. Make it worth living in nullsec without blanket nerfs to highsec Crush T3s beneath the collective heel of their boots End the reign of the sentry doctrine. The non voting masses: Why should I bother voting, its not like my vote will matter. Oh you couldn't be more wrong. By exercising your democratic right and voting for the correct candidates you are making sure not only that **** gets done but that **** gets done right. CCP cannot afford to flunk this test and so they need the best advice possible from the most experienced people in the game.
LOL - vote for Goons to "fix" highsec - meaning more wealth for Goons, and an even more boring game. It's like hiring an armed robber as a security guard. The best thing for the game would be a sharp curtailment of the influence of nullsec power blocs - an enforcement of antitrust laws in nullsec, and a breaking up of the major coalitions. That would be a real CSM platform....but for now, just make sure to not vote for anyone who the goons support. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.27 04:32:28 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:baltec1 wrote: ...
Sion Kumitomo Endie Thoric Frosthammer Manfred Sideous Bobmon Bam Stroker Sort Dragon Gorga UAxDEATH Corebloodbrothers Corbexx Steve Ronuken Sugar Kyle Tora Bushido
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....but for now, just make sure to not vote for anyone who the goons support.
Confirmed. Veers wants you to vote for Sabriz.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
1471
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Posted - 2015.02.27 04:38:24 -
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High sec mining? Sabriz and Mike. They disagree on most stuff, but both are interested in seeing high sec improved in their own way.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2015.02.27 04:46:15 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:baltec1 wrote: ...
Sion Kumitomo Endie Thoric Frosthammer Manfred Sideous Bobmon Bam Stroker Sort Dragon Gorga UAxDEATH Corebloodbrothers Corbexx Steve Ronuken Sugar Kyle Tora Bushido
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....but for now, just make sure to not vote for anyone who the goons support. Confirmed. Veers wants you to vote for Sabriz.
lol, no. Only CSM candidate who has done anything useful is Mike.
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Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2015.02.27 10:59:58 -
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I'm going to guess that of the majority of players that don't vote, don't vote because of much the same reasons many Americans (of which I am one) do not vote (I'm working on that last part). Issues concerning the game are complicated, and any given general issue has a lot of nuance and changing any small bit could have potential consequences that reach far and beyond the scope of that one topic. Much like real life. So, it takes a long time or a lot of experience to build up a wealth of knowledge about the game to understand most (but never all) aspects of any given single area. So when representatives stand up and talk about changes, it's neigh-impossible for the common capsuleer to understand the significance and consequences of their range of proposals and ideas. And that's not even taking into account the time necessary to study and truly understand the nuances of the proposals each one puts forth.
There's a lot of information to know, a lot of bias on the individual level, a lot of gaps in knowledge on the individual level (note: that's nobody's fault, this is a complicated game which is one of the selling points), and a lot of uncertain theorizing on long-term effects.
End result? People may care, but they can't invest the time enough to understand what the candidates are really talking about, the consequences of their proposals, how realistic each idea is for implementation, and top that off with a general sense of apathy for "CCP doesn't listen to us anyway", and you have a situation where there's a lot of implied disincentive to vote. Lots of work, doesn't matter, why bother?
HTFU.-á Adapt or die.-á Beware the falcon punch.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.27 11:19:46 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
LOL - vote for Goons to "fix" highsec - meaning more wealth for Goons, and an even more boring game. It's like hiring an armed robber as a security guard. The best thing for the game would be a sharp curtailment of the influence of nullsec power blocs - an enforcement of antitrust laws in nullsec, and a breaking up of the major coalitions. That would be a real CSM platform....but for now, just make sure to not vote for anyone who the goons support.
Only two of those options are goons, most are our enemies. You see, we dont care about tags, where people chose to live in eve or what their occupation is. This list is the best candidates with the more knowledge of the mechanics in the game. This list is also supported by EN24.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2015.02.27 12:30:36 -
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baltec1 wrote:This list is also supported by EN24.
I thought you wanted people to take the list seriously?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
993
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Posted - 2015.02.27 12:57:16 -
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admiral root wrote:baltec1 wrote:This list is also supported by EN24. I thought you wanted people to take the list seriously? +1 I read EN24 to clear my head of anything serious before I go to sleep.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
173
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Posted - 2015.02.27 16:21:18 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Bethan Le Troix wrote:Taking the devils advocate for a minute.
Sabriz Adoudel has a t least two good ideas:
Increase the wardec charges if a stronger corp/alliance wardecs a weaker/smaller corp/alliance. Arguable. The problem is that most of the most competent highsec PvP group that wardec are tiny, so the amounts they pay would likely not change much. Also, with his idea there's the issue that you can wardec anyone for cheap using a 1 man corp then invite your real corp as allies. The way it currently works is you pay more to have more war targets. The whole system needs an overhaul to be honest though. Bethan Le Troix wrote:Introduce small benefits to being a long term member of a player-run corporation such as small percentage increases in mining yield. So bring WoW guild perks to EVE. What woulds stop people simply running their own corps for one or two characters just to get the bonuses and still being about as free from conflict as they currently are? And then you'd also have the issue that a group wardecs them who they stand absolutely zero chance of defending against, now they have the options: - Drop corp and lose all of your bonuses - Don't play until the wardec is over. - Pay a substantial amount of isk for either a surrender or hire mercs which may or may not be effective. At the end of the day, that idea is to make it easier for wardec groups to force corps into positions they can't function in so that they are forced to lose out whatever they do.
Alright. You've blown Sabriz increase to wardec fees out of the water. I'll give you that one.
Regarding small benefits for player run corporations I still think there is mileage in this idea. It is an encouragement to pilots to join player run corps which are arguably more enjoyable to be in and the taxes are usually lower than standard NPC tax. The benefits might be staged - say 1% then 2% then 3% depending on length of membership. The benefits wouldn't necessarily have to be mining orientated. They could be for weapons damage, market taxes, or something else. Maybe there could be an option for CEO's to choose which type of benefit their corp would have. I don't think this idea is WoW (I have never played WoW though. ) and that there is some merit in it.
On the other hand I guess to be safe Steve Ronuken is the best bet for miners. |
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
174
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Posted - 2015.02.27 17:05:32 -
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The only players who are ever elected to the CSM are from the large monolithical coalition entities. This is because they CTA their pilots, usually in the thousands, to vote for their own self interests ranging from consorting on resource limitations and availabilities to sov mechanics and very narrow ship/fleet mechanics that will dull any ability of would-be conquerors from being able to take over their space in the same manner in which they did themselves. Such as assisting 1,000 sentries to a single pilot and 1-shotting everything and then petitioning for the nerfing of drone assists literally hours after taking space...
There is not, nor ever will be a 'pro-miner' member of the CSM without imposing term limits that extends to that players corporation or alliance, whichever is the larger to which they belong.
1 term. Any member being from CSM members corp/alliance within the last 12 months is disqualified from running in the next election. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4982
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Posted - 2015.02.27 17:12:17 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:The only players who are ever elected to the CSM are from the large monolithical coalition entities. This is because they CTA their pilots, usually in the thousands, to vote for their own self interests ranging from consorting on resource limitations and availabilities to sov mechanics and very narrow ship/fleet mechanics that will dull any ability of would-be conquerors from being able to take over their space in the same manner in which they did themselves. Such as assisting 1,000 sentries to a single pilot and 1-shotting everything and then petitioning for the nerfing of drone assists literally hours after taking space...
There is not, nor ever will be a 'pro-miner' member of the CSM without imposing term limits that extends to that players corporation or alliance, whichever is the larger to which they belong.
1 term. Any member being from CSM members corp/alliance within the last 12 months is disqualified from running in the next election.
Hi!
Which monolithical coalition entity am I on?
Woo! CSM 9!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
2519
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Posted - 2015.02.27 20:05:39 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:The only players who are ever elected to the CSM are from the large monolithical coalition entities. This is because they CTA their pilots, usually in the thousands, to vote for their own self interests ranging from consorting on resource limitations and availabilities to sov mechanics and very narrow ship/fleet mechanics that will dull any ability of would-be conquerors from being able to take over their space in the same manner in which they did themselves. Such as assisting 1,000 sentries to a single pilot and 1-shotting everything and then petitioning for the nerfing of drone assists literally hours after taking space...
There is not, nor ever will be a 'pro-miner' member of the CSM without imposing term limits that extends to that players corporation or alliance, whichever is the larger to which they belong.
1 term. Any member being from CSM members corp/alliance within the last 12 months is disqualified from running in the next election. Hi! Which monolithical coalition entity am I on?
or I?
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
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Varathius
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2015.02.27 20:14:22 -
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the only thing worth spending time on mining related in this game is this website called miner bumping. |
Bel Tika
Chronological Protection Agency
322
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Posted - 2015.02.27 20:57:11 -
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Every aspect of Eve Online is worth doing, im sorry your so narrow minded to comprehend that
An GL Steve :P |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4984
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Posted - 2015.02.27 22:25:09 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:The only players who are ever elected to the CSM are from the large monolithical coalition entities. This is because they CTA their pilots, usually in the thousands, to vote for their own self interests ranging from consorting on resource limitations and availabilities to sov mechanics and very narrow ship/fleet mechanics that will dull any ability of would-be conquerors from being able to take over their space in the same manner in which they did themselves. Such as assisting 1,000 sentries to a single pilot and 1-shotting everything and then petitioning for the nerfing of drone assists literally hours after taking space...
There is not, nor ever will be a 'pro-miner' member of the CSM without imposing term limits that extends to that players corporation or alliance, whichever is the larger to which they belong.
1 term. Any member being from CSM members corp/alliance within the last 12 months is disqualified from running in the next election. Hi! Which monolithical coalition entity am I on? or I? m
Everyone knows the Gallente federation is made up of trillions of people!
Woo! CSM 9!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23501
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Posted - 2015.02.27 23:01:49 -
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Gallente Federation degenerates elected to positions of power?
I worry about EVE's future..
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
2520
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Posted - 2015.02.28 05:42:28 -
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Sibyyl wrote: Gallente Federation degenerates elected to positions of power?
I worry about EVE's future..
and well you should
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
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Bellak Hark
New Eden Media Organization
82
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Posted - 2015.02.28 07:09:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:The only players who are ever elected to the CSM are from the large monolithical coalition entities. This is because they CTA their pilots, usually in the thousands, to vote for their own self interests ranging from consorting on resource limitations and availabilities to sov mechanics and very narrow ship/fleet mechanics that will dull any ability of would-be conquerors from being able to take over their space in the same manner in which they did themselves. Such as assisting 1,000 sentries to a single pilot and 1-shotting everything and then petitioning for the nerfing of drone assists literally hours after taking space...
There is not, nor ever will be a 'pro-miner' member of the CSM without imposing term limits that extends to that players corporation or alliance, whichever is the larger to which they belong.
1 term. Any member being from CSM members corp/alliance within the last 12 months is disqualified from running in the next election.
Xenuria is your candidate. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
219
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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:08:36 -
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We voted for Steve Ronuken in the end. I think he is the best choice for miners. Not that we have mined for several months now. Doing other stuff........ in-game.
" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. "-áRick.
" Find out what ? "-áAbraham.
" They're screwing with the wrong people. "-áRick.
Season four.-á-á ' The Walking Dead. ' .
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Zealous Miner
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Posted - 2015.03.04 21:22:53 -
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I can say with great confidence that Sabriz Adoudel has a miner's best interests in mind.
I have entrusted Sabriz with my vote and I encourage others to do the same.
I voted for Sabriz Adoudel for CSM10. You should too.
www.minerbumping.com
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.04 22:07:39 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:The only players who are ever elected to the CSM are from the large monolithical coalition entities. Did you fact check this before you wrote it?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.04 23:02:14 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:The only players who are ever elected to the CSM are from the large monolithical coalition entities. Did you fact check this before you wrote it? Let's break it down though shall we?
Mangala Solaris - RvB - large alliance (HS) DJ FunkyBacon - EVE Radio - spot light position Sion Kumitomo - Goons - large alliance (Null) Progodlegend - Nulli - large alliance (Null) Corebloodbrothers - Volt - large alliance (Null) Ali Aras - Noir - large alliance (?) Xander Phoena - Gents - large alliance (Null) mynnna - Goons - large alliance (Null) Asayanami Dei - no idea who this is or what their alliance is but not very big only 250 active members Corbexx - No Holes - large alliance (Worm Holes) Gorski Car - RvB - large alliance (HS) Steve Ronuken - 3rd Party stuff - spot light position
Sugar Kyle - Low Sec campaigner. Mike Azariah - High Sec newbie cuddle bear.
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2 - major exceptions 2 - high publicity characters 1 - wth? 5/14 definitely from Null Sec 9/14 definitely from large alliances.
Two from Goons Two from Red vs Blue
If alliances are managing to elect two CSM candidates then clearly not enough people care about CSM.
Highest votes ever for CSM elections? Call it 50K / 500K so 10% of EVE voted.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5005
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Posted - 2015.03.04 23:46:24 -
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Also should be noted:
'Don't vote for anyone in the csm, they're all from large alliances' is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Woo! CSM 9!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1044
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Posted - 2015.03.05 04:15:36 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Also should be noted: 'Don't vote for anyone in the csm, they're all from large alliances' is a self fulfilling prophecy. I did vote for some of the current CSM because I think they are a good personality influence, such as Core or have put in a lot of work, like Corbexx.
I disagree with how they are getting elected and how ignorant most players are of what CSM even is.
CSM Ten movement for change.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.03.05 14:23:51 -
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A wildly off topic post, and one quoting it have been removed.
Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
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