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Alexa Stryker
Council of Stellar Erections
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Posted - 2015.03.02 10:15:06 -
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Is there a logical reason why Covewrt Cynos is not allowed in high sec? I don't see any problems allowing them in High sec imho.
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Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2015.03.02 10:23:18 -
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+1 More dynamics for high sec warfare and logistics. |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.03.02 10:57:41 -
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lol
are the n00bs running too fast for you to catch? |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:02:26 -
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allow black ops bridging ships from 1 hs to another hs system too. |
Arden Elenduil
Laurus Manus Concordia Incorporated II
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:23:11 -
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To be fair, who are we to deny highsec carebears the joys of being hotdropped. I for one fully endorse and support this feature. |
Aursentris
Council of Stellar Erections
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:27:16 -
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Hotdroping in Highsec would be nice... And the good thing is: Not hotdropping supers. |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:27:26 -
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Cause some of us would use it to move around exclusively. |
Aursentris
Council of Stellar Erections
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:30:48 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Cause some of us would use it to move around exclusively.
And? Why not? You are paying for the fuel |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:33:44 -
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Arden Elenduil wrote:To be fair, who are we to deny highsec carebears the joys of being hotdropped. I for one fully endorse and support this feature.
the tears from the mercs would be funny too, imagine the nullsec corps dropping on mercs when they wardec
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Aursentris
Council of Stellar Erections
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:44:16 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Arden Elenduil wrote:To be fair, who are we to deny highsec carebears the joys of being hotdropped. I for one fully endorse and support this feature. the tears from the mercs would be funny too, imagine the nullsec corps dropping on mercs when they wardec
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.02 11:47:31 -
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Aursentris wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Arden Elenduil wrote:To be fair, who are we to deny highsec carebears the joys of being hotdropped. I for one fully endorse and support this feature. the tears from the mercs would be funny too, imagine the nullsec corps dropping on mercs when they wardec Wardec fixed
i agree this would make anyone think twice about wardeccing and flying blingy vindicators during wars
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Alexei Stryker
Steiners Erben
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Posted - 2015.03.02 12:11:59 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Aursentris wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Arden Elenduil wrote:To be fair, who are we to deny highsec carebears the joys of being hotdropped. I for one fully endorse and support this feature. the tears from the mercs would be funny too, imagine the nullsec corps dropping on mercs when they wardec Wardec fixed i agree this would make anyone think twice about wardeccing and flying blingy vindicators during wars
Now make people unable to dock if pointed... Then hotdroping station huggers would be such fun. |
Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.03.02 15:40:17 -
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Alexei Stryker wrote:
Now make people unable to dock if pointed... Then hotdroping station huggers would be such fun.
heh such a terrible idea, but I like it.
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Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.03.02 15:40:17 -
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Alexei Stryker wrote:
Now make people unable to dock if pointed... Then hotdroping station huggers would be such fun.
heh such a terrible idea, but I like it.
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And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.02 15:54:22 -
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Alexei Stryker wrote:Now make people unable to dock if pointed... Then hotdroping station huggers would be such fun. Well if you can get someone to agress and point them, why do you need them to be able to not dock if you are going to hot drop on them?
Surely you can kill them in the time they have a weapons timer?
If all you want to do is challenge someone and then point them before they even agress, so you can hot drop for an easy kill, that's pretty scrubby behaviour.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.02 19:11:31 -
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Highsec us Cyno-jammed by Empire/Concord Jammers that prevent the use of both normal and covert Cyno's.
Anyway, you can use any Cyno you want to get out of highsec. But as long as you are flying into or around highsec, you use gates.
As for if I agree with it or not, meh.. On the one hand covops ships aren't exactly something you gank with or anything.. on the other it keeps everyone in Highsec supposedly on the same level.. doesn't really bother me if they changed it or not. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2015.03.02 19:32:38 -
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Alexei Stryker wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Aursentris wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Arden Elenduil wrote:To be fair, who are we to deny highsec carebears the joys of being hotdropped. I for one fully endorse and support this feature. the tears from the mercs would be funny too, imagine the nullsec corps dropping on mercs when they wardec Wardec fixed i agree this would make anyone think twice about wardeccing and flying blingy vindicators during wars Now make people unable to dock if pointed... Then hotdroping station huggers would be such fun.
If I had the people just taking a fleet of tornadoes to kill station huggers would be fun
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.02 20:52:05 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Cause some of us would use it to move around exclusively.
This is the answer after all the posturing and scare mongering is cut away.
Black Ops Hot dropping is a closet monster. Covert Cyno is not the same as standard. The cheapest hull that can light one is 15 mill, no fit and like all cyno ships, it's a throw away in a hostile scenario. The restrictions on what can bridge with covert are pretty tight. You won't be suicide ganking with covert drops. They will be war dec only drops and the overall cost of making it happen for a limited engagement opportunity that starts with a 15 Mill+ loss is counter productive to the Industrial griefing that is, War Dec.
On the other hand, I could in many cases skip gates with an Industrial BlOps bridge network. It would wipe out the cattle farms like Uedama and Perimeter, kill gate camping in low sec, high sec connection systems and other choke point positions like Orvolle/ Pf.
I honestly don't think it's the issue CCP think it is. Most players are used to moving goods in large holds and would view the 12K max of a Prorator as inadequate, add in the logistics and ISK to set up a covert net in high sec. It might also be a coding issue. They can't do covert cyno without doing all, short of writing all new code for one or the other. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.02 21:09:30 -
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I think covert cynos in HS would be fun. |
Kestral Anneto
Umbra-Domini SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.02 21:23:31 -
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your kidding right? that would be to much like common sense, after all its a COVERT cyno, designed not to be detected, ofc it can be blocked, to protect the highsec carebears. On a serious note, i've always wondered why you cant light it in highsec, it would give us a way of actually smuggling stuff, and as someone said before, its not exactly cheap, plus it promotes teamwork as it requires two people, and if not teamwork, its requires an alt, which is more money for CCP, everyone wins. |
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Alexei Stryker
Steiners Erben
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Posted - 2015.03.02 22:06:09 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Alexei Stryker wrote:Now make people unable to dock if pointed... Then hotdroping station huggers would be such fun. Well if you can get someone to agress and point them, why do you need them to be able to not dock if you are going to hot drop on them? Surely you can kill them in the time they have a weapons timer? If all you want to do is challenge someone and then point them before they even agress, so you can hot drop for an easy kill, that's pretty scrubby behaviour.
I'm scrubby... But that was supposed to be a joke
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Alexei Stryker
Steiners Erben
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Posted - 2015.03.02 22:09:43 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:your kidding right? that would be to much like common sense, after all its a COVERT cyno, designed not to be detected, ofc it can be blocked, to protect the highsec carebears. On a serious note, i've always wondered why you cant light it in highsec, it would give us a way of actually smuggling stuff, and as someone said before, its not exactly cheap, plus it promotes teamwork as it requires two people, and if not teamwork, its requires an alt, which is more money for CCP, everyone wins.
It requires not only 1 alt but 2 alts... 1 to light the cyno... 1 to go through and 1 that lights a cyno for going back. If CCP allows this.. I would certainly reactivate my 3rd alt.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
20151
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Posted - 2015.03.02 23:03:36 -
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With the addition of covert cynos to highsec, we can help spread AFK cloaking paranoia to the highsec masses!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2015.03.02 23:24:31 -
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It would be wonderful is those anti-ganking groups could be able to hot drop into bumping interdictions.
Of course the deep dark secret is that the PVPers are in highsec for the same reason that the people in highsec are in highsec.
And being hotdropped (every time) is one of them.
One of the reasons why players don't HTFU and "do something about it instead of crying to CCP" is because ganks and hyperdunking happen fast.
So yeah, why deny the highsec PVPer the same joy they came to highsec to get away from?
See how that works? A two way street in this game means a good time will be had by all.
(Honestly I don't see a reason NOT to have covert cynos in highsec. The term "covert" applies. They let us cloak in highsec so... )
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
756
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Posted - 2015.03.02 23:32:08 -
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With the jump changes and fatigue, cynos and capitals should be allowed in high sec. If for nothing more than giving the Raven leveling crowd something bigger to power level toward (and lose in a most glorious fashion before the door hits them on the ass). |
Melanine
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.03 01:30:21 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.03 01:58:28 -
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Alexa Stryker wrote:I don't see any problems allowing (covert cynos) in High sec imho. Too many neutrals.
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Miss Masquerade
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.03 02:18:50 -
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Can't put my finger on it, but something about this idea smells...
..no, it reeks...
..of evil... |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.03 03:54:12 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It would be wonderful is those anti-ganking groups could be able to hot drop into bumping interdictions.
Of course the deep dark secret is that the PVPers are in highsec for the same reason that the people in highsec are in highsec.
And being hotdropped (every time) is one of them.
One of the reasons why players don't HTFU and "do something about it instead of crying to CCP" is because ganks and hyperdunking happen fast.
So yeah, why deny the highsec PVPer the same joy they came to highsec to get away from?
See how that works? A two way street in this game means a good time will be had by all.
(Honestly I don't see a reason NOT to have covert cynos in highsec. The term "covert" applies. They let us cloak in highsec so... )
I agree with the analogy of HTFU. 98% of the EVE learning curve is figuring out the list of stuff you don't do in the game of EVE, the game of don't do stuff. It doesn't apply to high sec though. Unless you are war dec or have a kill right on you, there is no chance of you being high sec hot dropped.
Harmonics 2. There are a total of 17 ships in the game that have it. They are the only ones that can use a covert bridge and a covert cyno. 5 of them are Industrial. None of them can make use of a covert cyno without a covert bridge. (and a T2 battleship hull to fit it)
There are 4 ships worth mentioning that don't have Harmonics 2. They are the Black Ops Battleship hulls and they can use the bridge module and the cyno. Unlike the Titan, you can never use a Black Ops battleship to bridge anything but the other 17. No condition allows you to hot drop 6 Catalysts in to a .5 sec belt to gank a hulk. It can't be done.
Worse theoretical scenario is, someone declares war, uses a neutral in fleet to bridge in bunch of war buddies and catch you AFK mining while your corporation is at war. Hope you aren't bait and have a similar counter move. - Keep in mind, you are in high sec, you still can't use bombs so your hot drop options are force recon, combat recon don't have Harmonics 2, Torpedo fit Bombers and covert Ops (if they even count) and of course Black Ops fleets. If you jump the Black Ops, you take cap drain, the same as all jump capable ships. Bridging them requires some to stay back to facilitate the bridge.
As I said earlier, Black Ops hot dropping in High Sec is a fabricated myth. We have a test server. CCP can find that out for themselves there. The volume of logistics to see this through wen you could just as easy camp Jita 4, IV?
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.03.03 04:18:08 -
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Alexa Stryker wrote:Is there a logical reason why Covewrt Cynos is not allowed in high sec? I don't see any problems allowing them in High sec imho. Probably because it would create another exception in the code, which CCP hates, as it leads to hard to maintain and buggy code. |
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