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Baali Tekitsu
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Posted - 2015.03.03 18:36:37 -
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Seriously the Corax is in a miserable state, I wouldnt be surprised if its the least used destroyer of all. It doesnt have near the fitting capacity to fit light missiles with a proper fit nor the speed to catch up with targets and brawl them with rockets. Also its locked to the worst damage type in game, kinetik. Of all the tier 2 destroyers its the least flexible and has basically nothing going for it except if youre a hardcore caldari roleplayer. I suggest making the kinetik damage bonus a uniform one, specific damage bonuses are stupid anyway and giving it some cpu or powergrid on top of speed, basically make it a better ship all around.
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Liam Inkuras
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Posted - 2015.03.03 18:43:43 -
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There are no tiers in ships, only tears. Like yours. Git gud soon m8.
CCP pls buff Corax, it sucks
I wear my goggles at night.
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Baali Tekitsu
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Posted - 2015.03.03 18:46:23 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:There are no tiers in ships, only tears. Like yours. Git gud soon m8.
CCP pls buff Corax, it sucks
ISD pls remove this post its triggering me
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2015.03.03 18:48:54 -
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+1
#DeleteTheWeak
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Kabark
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Posted - 2015.03.03 18:49:07 -
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I haven't flown a destroyer in years so I can't weigh in much there. But the Algos looks a lot like Captain Nemos ship from 20,000 Leagues which is nice. |
Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2015.03.03 18:52:28 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Liam Inkuras wrote:There are no tiers in ships, only tears. Like yours. Git gud soon m8.
CCP pls buff Corax, it sucks ISD pls remove this post its triggering me
As an omidemipolyubergendered othersamekin with a phobia of Isometric Symmetrical Dice who identifies as a truck, this triggered me. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.03.03 19:12:31 -
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What's a Corax?
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Reina Xyaer
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.03 20:20:30 -
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+1
I've never seen a Corax in PVP, never heard of a Corax doctrine, never flown one myself but all the OP's statements about it make sense.
If you use rockets, you need to have speed.
If you don't have speed, and are supposed to have light missiles, you need powergrid/cpu for them.
Specific damage type bonuses are indeed dumb, what other ship has them? Any good ones? Not that I can think of.
Give Corax more fitting room OR more speed, and give it a general missile damage bonus. |
Alena McJenkins
McJenkins' Saucy Shipwreckers LLC
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Posted - 2015.03.04 00:35:51 -
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I enjoy my Corax personally, though I don't have any room to talk in the PVP region.
I wouldn't mind seeing it made slightly more symmetrical, however.
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.03.04 01:55:05 -
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+1
I agree the corax needs a slight buff to something. It is quite difficult to design proper doctrine fits. |
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Hrothgar Nilsson
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Posted - 2015.03.04 02:04:54 -
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Corax rules for snowballs/fireworks. Cheap and it can fit 7 festival launchers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.03.04 02:17:03 -
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No real thoughts on the OP I Have not tried to fit a Corax in a long time and even then it was for a low skills new player that wanted to use Caldari only ships and thought the Corax was neat. So I am good with a buff/change if it happens and I am OK if it does not.
Reina Xyaer wrote:Specific damage type bonuses are indeed dumb, what other ship has them? Any good ones? Not that I can think of. Rattlesnake, Gila and Worm all come to mind quickly and I bet there are others if you look hard enough.
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:Corax rules for snowballs/fireworks. Cheap and it can fit 7 festival launchers. Hardly a ringing endorsement for a ships capabilities but I like it anyway. |
Hrothgar Nilsson
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Posted - 2015.03.04 03:12:58 -
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Fire the snowballs at a station. The sentry guns fire back, but don't hit you. With a Corax you can get the sentry guns to spam close to 1000 missiles per minute at you. Makes people stop and ask in local "what's going on?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2015.03.04 08:50:42 -
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It could use some fitting love. trying to fit one for light missiles without max skills is a head ache indeed. The talwar is much easier...somehow.
Maybe make the kinetic damage bonus omni damage and/or bring back the talwars MWD sig bonus a tad.
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Ix Method
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Posted - 2015.03.04 09:47:22 -
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Buff it. Buff iiiiiiiiit.
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Baali Tekitsu
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Posted - 2015.03.04 12:37:46 -
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CCP FOZZIE PLS RESPOND
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Rovinia
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Posted - 2015.03.04 12:57:35 -
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The only Corax fit i fly regularly is the one with the 7 Festival launchers. Everything else is just not competitive compared with every other destroyer.
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Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
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Posted - 2015.03.04 12:57:57 -
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You're all bad. Corax fleet is beast mode. |
Liam Inkuras
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Posted - 2015.03.04 12:59:33 -
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Anja Suorsa wrote:You're all bad. Corax fleet is beast mode. You're bad, not all of us fly them in blobs
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2015.03.04 13:48:32 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Also its locked to the worst damage type in game, kinetik.
Kinetic is not the "worst damage type in the game" and the Corax is not locked to it. Even the Drake is not locked to it. If you're shooting at something with high Kinetic resists then switch to another damage type - on native shield resists you will deal more damage with EM missiles from a Drake than with Kinetic... and you have the choice to do so. On native Armour resists the bonus makes Kinetic more powerful than Explosive but hey, if it's a T2 Galllente ship just switch out to Explosive and ignore the high Kinetic resists... You have that choice.
Reina Xyaer wrote:I've never seen a Corax in PVP, never heard of a Corax doctrine, never flown one myself but all the OP's statements about it make sense. If you've never seen the Corax in PvP and you've never heard of a Corax doctrine perhaps you should get out more? 80km of very good damage application with a substantial volley is only outdone in T1 at that hull-size by the Cormorant... Most destroyer-centric Doctrines appear to be used by the same groups so it shouldn't take much work to determine where they're likely to be seen.
Reina Xyaer wrote:If you use rockets, you need to have speed.
If you don't have speed, and are supposed to have light missiles, you need powergrid/cpu for them.
The Corax does have the PG/CPU for them... At least in the same way as the Catalyst does 700DPS.
Reina Xyaer wrote:Specific damage type bonuses are indeed dumb, what other ship has them? Any good ones? Not that I can think of. Most Gallente and Amarr ships? The Omen only has bonuses to EM/Thermal, the Thorax only has bonuses to Kinetic/Thermal... and unlike the Drake neither of those can switch out to Explosive if it turns out to be advantageous during the fight. |
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Baali Tekitsu
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Posted - 2015.03.04 14:12:02 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:Baali Tekitsu wrote:Also its locked to the worst damage type in game, kinetik. Kinetic is not the "worst damage type in the game" and the Corax is not locked to it. Even the Drake is not locked to it. If you're shooting at something with high Kinetic resists then switch to another damage type - on native shield resists you will deal more damage with EM missiles from a Drake than with Kinetic... and you have the choice to do so.On native Armour resists the bonus makes Kinetic more powerful than Explosive but hey, if it's a T2 Galllente ship just switch out to Explosive and ignore the high Kinetic resists... You have that choice.
Why Kinetik bonus is **** has been chewn through so often its not funny anymore and the rebalance of Caracal/Battleship lineup proves that CCP has realised that aswell.
Jacob Holland wrote:
The Corax does have the PG/CPU for them... At least in the same way as the Catalyst does 700DPS.
Its literally impossible to fit a microwarpdrive with t2 lml launchers and any other mod on a perfectly skilled Corax without using fitting mods.
Jacob Holland wrote: Most Gallente and Amarr ships? The Omen only has bonuses to EM/Thermal, the Thorax only has bonuses to Kinetic/Thermal... and unlike the Drake neither of those can switch out to Explosive if it turns out to be advantageous during the fight.
They have weapon specific damage bonuses, not damage specific, thats an entirely different story.
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mrjknyazev
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Posted - 2015.03.04 14:55:20 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote: Its literally impossible to fit a microwarpdrive with t2 lml launchers and any other mod on a perfectly skilled Corax without using fitting mods.
It's literally impossible to fit an afterburner with t2 280mm arty on a thrasher. So what? You can't have all the nice things. Fit meta launchers, you're only going to use faction missiles anyway. |
Baali Tekitsu
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Posted - 2015.03.04 15:02:50 -
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mrjknyazev wrote:Baali Tekitsu wrote: Its literally impossible to fit a microwarpdrive with t2 lml launchers and any other mod on a perfectly skilled Corax without using fitting mods.
It's literally impossible to fit an afterburner with t2 280mm arty on a thrasher. So what? You can't have all nice things. Fit meta launchers, you're only going to use faction missiles anyway.
You still have 250s available, corax doesnt have that option.
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Agondray
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Posted - 2015.03.04 15:11:07 -
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Reina Xyaer wrote:+1
I've never seen a Corax in PVP, never heard of a Corax doctrine, never flown one myself but all the OP's statements about it make sense.
If you use rockets, you need to have speed.
If you don't have speed, and are supposed to have light missiles, you need powergrid/cpu for them.
Specific damage type bonuses are indeed dumb, what other ship has them? Any good ones? Not that I can think of.
Give Corax more fitting room OR more speed, and give it a general missile damage bonus.
one of my corps I used to be in had a corax fleet, we practiced a lot for never doing fleets
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Edward Olmops
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Posted - 2015.03.04 15:35:42 -
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I have actually flown the Corax a lot.
see here
Mainly because it has one of the coolest models ever. I have to agree with the OP - it's a shame it's not used more often. The only viable fit I found used LMs to surprise kill frigs with a few volleys in FW.
That got a lot weaker when critical hits were removed that would explode any ship getting hit for >50% current structure.
And yes, the biggest problem was that LMs + propulsion already were a problem for CPU/PG.
Currently I am still hoping for a T2 version of that hull (maybe a Command Destroyer), but a rebalance would also be nice. Thx to Baali for bringing it up. |
Reina Xyaer
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Posted - 2015.03.05 01:41:18 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:
Most Gallente and Amarr ships? The Omen only has bonuses to EM/Thermal, the Thorax only has bonuses to Kinetic/Thermal... and unlike the Drake neither of those can switch out to Explosive if it turns out to be advantageous during the fight.
Okay we disagree on what constitutes a "specific damage type bonus".
Those ships have a bonus to:
ALL Medium energy turrets,
and ALL Medium Hybrid turrets.
The fact that those turrets can only do EM/Thermal and Thermal/Kinetic is a limitation of the weapons. Missiles are supposed to be selectable damage types, so gtfo with your semantics. |
Jacob Holland
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Posted - 2015.03.05 13:35:43 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Its literally impossible to fit a microwarpdrive with t2 lml launchers and any other mod on a perfectly skilled Corax without using fitting mods.
It appears I've misunderstood your objection; I thought you wanted LMLs or speed...
Baali Tekitsu wrote:Jacob Holland wrote: Most Gallente and Amarr ships? The Omen only has bonuses to EM/Thermal, the Thorax only has bonuses to Kinetic/Thermal... and unlike the Drake neither of those can switch out to Explosive if it turns out to be advantageous during the fight.
They have weapon specific damage bonuses, not damage specific, thats an entirely different story. Is it really? I was under the impression that the weapons were locked into specific damage types and were therefore comparable... I look forward to loading up EM damage Blasters on my Thorax...
If you're shooting an Enyo with a Kinetic bonused missile ship then you have the choice to use Explosive missiles... on the other hand if it's a Wolf then enjoy your higher damage. The Enyo fighting your Hawk doesn't have the choice to switch to EM damage Blasters, it has to suck up the high T2 resists. |
Baali Tekitsu
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Posted - 2015.03.05 13:45:33 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:Baali Tekitsu wrote:Its literally impossible to fit a microwarpdrive with t2 lml launchers and any other mod on a perfectly skilled Corax without using fitting mods. It appears I've misunderstood your objection; I thought you wanted LMLs or speed... Baali Tekitsu wrote:Jacob Holland wrote: Most Gallente and Amarr ships? The Omen only has bonuses to EM/Thermal, the Thorax only has bonuses to Kinetic/Thermal... and unlike the Drake neither of those can switch out to Explosive if it turns out to be advantageous during the fight.
They have weapon specific damage bonuses, not damage specific, thats an entirely different story. Is it really? I was under the impression that the weapons were locked into specific damage types and were therefore comparable... I look forward to loading up EM damage Blasters on my Thorax... If you're shooting an Enyo with a Kinetic bonused missile ship then you have the choice to use Explosive missiles... on the other hand if it's a Wolf then enjoy your higher damage. The Enyo fighting your Hawk doesn't have the choice to switch to EM damage Blasters, it has to suck up the high T2 resists.
Yes but the weapons are balanced around the fact that they have those disedvantages (blasters get high damage and lasers high optimal), opposed to missiles who are balanced around selectable damage.
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