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Terminator Cindy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:15:29 -
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With the new SOV changes, there will be no more structures shooting in order to capture them - there goes the last useful role of the titans ? |
Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
1460
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:19:58 -
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When was the last time you used your titan as DPS to kill a structure.
Yep. Thought so
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Cancel Align NOW
Greater Order Of Destruction The Good Christian Society
460
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:26:22 -
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I reckon the best way to stop a small group trying to take your space will be to sit on the target structure in a titan with an entosis link running. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1035
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:37:13 -
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Terminator Cindy wrote:With the new SOV changes, there will be no more structures shooting in order to capture them - there goes the last useful role of the titans ?
Please don't talk about stuff you know nothing about. I've never flown with a sov war fleet and even I know Titans are never used for structure grinds
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Theodoric Darkwind
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
319
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:39:19 -
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It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
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Lettie Slapdash
S.O.E Strike Force
700
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:40:58 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
Good |
Jane Shapperd
SUPERFLUOUS WANDERLUST Gentlemen's.Club
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:50:36 -
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]Theodoric Darkwind wrote:It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
still they will be used for poco's and towers (dead sticks for supers) tho
supers can still be droped on fleets of BS/BC |
Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
1462
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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:54:18 -
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Jane Shapperd wrote:] Theodoric Darkwind wrote:It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
still they will be used for poco's and towers (dead sticks for supers) tho supers can still be droped on fleets of BS/BC Not for long I bet
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Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
49
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Posted - 2015.03.03 23:19:12 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
Titans are supercapitals.
There will still be fleets of supercap vs. supercap since the only way to really take someone's space is to clear them off the battlefield. What this is really going to do is force more fights and prevent people from running away as soon as the enemy logs in to defend their stuff.
What's different in the new system is that when a small alliance fights another small alliance for space, the same dynamics can occur without big fleets or even big ships coming into it. You'll still have to match your enemy's best with your own best, but presumably you won't have to match your best with the best in the game, not every time in every system.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1937
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Posted - 2015.03.03 23:29:33 -
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Phig Neutron wrote: Titans are supercapitals.
There will still be fleets of supercap vs. supercap since the only way to really take someone's space is to clear them off the battlefield. What this is really going to do is force more fights and prevent people from running away as soon as the enemy logs in to defend their stuff.
What's different in the new system is that when a small alliance fights another small alliance for space, the same dynamics can occur without big fleets or even big ships coming into it. You'll still have to match your enemy's best with your own best, but presumably you won't have to match your best with the best in the game, not every time in every system.
Also you can't just drop 50 Titans and 100 Supers and call it a day. If you drop just Caps they can drop frigs instead to counter, Asymmetric warfare. Since the frigs are cheap enough to afford a few losses. And very hard for the Caps to kill. So even if they do come by with titans and you have none, you have a way to defend your space now. And if they drop subcaps to engage yours, then you only have to fight the subcaps.
So Caps still have plenty of use in fleet combat, same place they always did, but they are no longer the 'win' button. Instead they fit into the Asymmetric warfare meta of EVE where a frigate is meant to be capable in a fleet fight, just different. |
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2193
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Posted - 2015.03.03 23:40:59 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:When was the last time you used your titan as DPS to kill a structure.
Yep. Thought so
Yesterday.
Cancel Align NOW wrote:I reckon the best way to stop a small group trying to take your space will be to sit on the target structure in a titan with an entosis link running.
That seems like a really really good use of all the heaps of supercaps Eve has by now... we'll just build stations out of them and hide the hills inside them. |
Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1429
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Posted - 2015.03.04 00:59:04 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:I reckon the best way to stop a small group trying to take your space will be to sit on the target structure in a titan with an entosis link running. That seems like a really really good use of all the heaps of supercaps Eve has by now... we'll just build stations out of them and hide the hills inside them.
Hmmm all those freeports you'll create for the players before you implode.
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PhantomMajor
High Flyers The Kadeshi
28
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Posted - 2015.03.04 03:02:13 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh! |
Miko Valentine
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.03.04 03:03:19 -
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Poor PL :3 |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
1641
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Posted - 2015.03.04 07:31:13 -
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PhantomMajor wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh!
Look on the bright side, covops need much fewer sp, so you can train them up right away. Afk spam is the new ehp grind - you have to afk camp a system to get indices low enough to take sov. Expect to get called to "afk camping duty" soon. And there's no excuse to not be there, because all you have to do is... nothing. |
Terminator Cindy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2015.03.04 08:01:20 -
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Phig Neutron wrote:There will still be fleets of supercap vs. supercap since the only way to really take someone's space is to clear them off the battlefield.
Yeah because titans are sooooo dangerous against a fleet of subcaps - or even against ONE subcap for that matter.Having a red titan in your area would hardly intimidate anyone. The only super/caps that can do anything to SOME OF THE ( badly fitted ) subcaps are the carriers. And their end is near also ( see the new fighter changes ). |
Allant Doran
Patriot Security Services New Signature
75
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Posted - 2015.03.04 10:10:13 -
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sabre906 wrote:PhantomMajor wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh! Look on the bright side, covops need much fewer sp, so you can train them up right away. Afk spam is the new ehp grind - you have to afk camp a system to get indices low enough to take sov. Expect to get called to "afk camping duty" soon. And there's no excuse to not be there, because all you have to do is... nothing.
Genuine question, as I haven't followed this too closely, but which are you suggesting here;
1 - Being in an opponent's system passively decreases their indices?
or
2 - People are still so scared of an afk cloaker that they won't undock, use their space, and thusly their indices will fall?
Because if you're saying 1 then yeah, ccp need to look at that, but if you're saying 2, then it seems like it's working as intended. Can't be all comfy and safe just because of +1 in local forever. |
jurgen b
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2015.03.04 11:05:40 -
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sabre906 wrote:PhantomMajor wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh! Look on the bright side, covops need much fewer sp, so you can train them up right away. Afk spam is the new ehp grind - you have to afk camp a system to get indices low enough to take sov. Expect to get called to "afk camping duty" soon. And there's no excuse to not be there, because all you have to do is... nothing.
afk camp for sov, didnt ccp tweaked that in FW plex which makes it impossible to capture now cloaked afk. they should have learned by now i guess
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
311
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Posted - 2015.03.04 12:11:21 -
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sabre906 wrote:PhantomMajor wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh! Look on the bright side, covops need much fewer sp, so you can train them up right away. Afk spam is the new ehp grind - you have to afk camp a system to get indices low enough to take sov. Expect to get called to "afk camping duty" soon. And there's no excuse to not be there, because all you have to do is... nothing. Err did you even read about the sov changes proposed? AFK is going to get you exactly *nothing*. Dwell time in the system means nothing. Killing rats and mining does.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5909
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Posted - 2015.03.04 12:22:21 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:sabre906 wrote:PhantomMajor wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:It's supers and dreads that will become useless in the new sov system, especially supers.
Yeah that figures, I just skilled up to be able to fly them now...doh! Look on the bright side, covops need much fewer sp, so you can train them up right away. Afk spam is the new ehp grind - you have to afk camp a system to get indices low enough to take sov. Expect to get called to "afk camping duty" soon. And there's no excuse to not be there, because all you have to do is... nothing. Err did you even read about the sov changes proposed? AFK is going to get you exactly *nothing*. Dwell time in the system means nothing. Killing rats and mining does.
You missed the point:
AFK camping will keep the other guys from doing any NPC killing or mining, lowering their defense bonus.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
361
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Posted - 2015.03.04 12:26:02 -
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War Kitten wrote:keep the other guys from doing any NPC killing or mining, lowering their defense bonus. They can't hurt you, if they are AFK. |
Allant Doran
Patriot Security Services New Signature
76
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Posted - 2015.03.04 12:45:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:
AFK camping will keep the other guys from doing any NPC killing or mining, lowering their defense bonus.
No it doesn't. It just makes them scared to do so. Makes them scared to risk ships, or makes them unwilling to play in a non-lazy fashion.
NPC Killing and mining in nullsec SHOULD be risky. 0.0 has had it safe for far too long. It's why I love WHs. No local. You can't even tell if an afk cloaky is there right with you. You still have to go about your business.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.03.04 12:45:08 -
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