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Aerinbiorn Haubogi
Burning Equilibrium Bloodline.
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Posted - 2015.03.04 19:48:18 -
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Famajem jankem.
Many of us have read of the claims put forth by the Blood Raider calling himself Nauplius. You have heard of his claims of murdering a million of my own kinfolk, for even though I may not have known them, they were still Minmatar. I call upon all good people, of all walks of life, of all faiths and political leanings, to put a bounty on the head of Nauplius such as never before been seen. Let's bring justice to this monster.
Saksek wanakkin, brothers and sisters of New Eden.
Doctor Aerinbiorn Haubogi, MA in Tribal Studies, PhD Archaeology - Pator Tech
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Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
159
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Posted - 2015.03.04 19:58:47 -
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I am afraid, sir, that bounties don't seem to have the desired effect of stiring capsuleers into action who otherwise would not. I instead recommend more proactive methods. Perhaps use the isk to fund a permanent wardec on Nauplius and his known associates to limit their freedom of movement in HiSec?
New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita
13. is recruiting
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Claudia Osyn
The Scope Gallente Federation
1081
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Posted - 2015.03.04 20:01:42 -
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Because this will work. He has no friends who sympathize with his cause who would collect that bounty and use the profits to further his goals.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2015.03.04 20:02:02 -
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Since bounties don't actually make it legal to attack the "wanted" person, it's true that it probably wouldn't cause many more attacks.
Couldn't a bounty be used as a way to encourage, say, hired mercenaries to do their jobs well, though?
Claudia Osyn wrote:Because this will work. He has no friends who sympathize with his cause who would collect that bounty and use the profits to further his goals.
Um ... maybe I misunderstand, but isn't the system set up to be impossible for the bounty target to turn a profit on, anyway? |
Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
159
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Posted - 2015.03.04 20:08:48 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Since bounties don't actually make it legal to attack the "wanted" person, it's true that it probably wouldn't cause many more attacks.
Couldn't a bounty be used as a way to encourage, say, hired mercenaries to do their jobs well, though?
The way CONCORD calculate the share of bounty paid out, unless he is flying a particuarly expensive ship by market price, you're not going to see a lucrative return on a high risk investment. Namely putting your ship on the line and shooting him.
It's this very reason why Capsuleers routinely mock the current legally approved bounty system in place.
New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita
13. is recruiting
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Claudia Osyn
The Scope Gallente Federation
1081
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Posted - 2015.03.04 20:14:54 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Because this will work. He has no friends who sympathize with his cause who would collect that bounty and use the profits to further his goals. Um ... maybe I misunderstand, but isn't the system set up to be impossible for the bounty target to turn a profit on, anyway? Not impossible, just more difficult.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2015.03.04 20:21:58 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:The way CONCORD calculate the share of bounty paid out, unless he is flying a particuarly expensive ship by market price, you're not going to see a lucrative return on a high risk investment. Namely putting your ship on the line and shooting him.
It's this very reason why Capsuleers routinely mock the current legally approved bounty system in place.
The old system did allow the target to turn a profit, though.
... I wonder if they're trying to avoid the scenario where bountied capsuleers can liquidate, say, deep nullsec assets by detonating each others' ships.
Probably.
Anyhow, a Machariel or Nightmare's always been an attractive target. As it is, you get a nice little payout on top of having the thing on your kill record.
Less a direct motivation and more a handshake and "Well done" to whoever pulled it off. |
U'tah Arareb
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.04 21:03:11 -
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personally I'll pay 1 M just for his frozen corpse , it's not much but I'll still pay it.
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2015.03.04 21:07:57 -
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I don't want to be a negative nancy, but concord bounty system is meaningless. If you want to see more people hunting that ridiculous peasant then pay for his head(corps) with hard isk |
U'tah Arareb
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.04 21:11:16 -
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it's a shame the NEOcom software won't allow contracts for Named biomass |
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2015.03.04 21:40:58 -
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U'tah Arareb wrote:it's a shame the NEOcom software won't allow contracts for Named biomass Such system would be scamed too easily, everything should be checked in person by the person who pays to minimise the risk of giving money to the target and his associates. |
Lord Kailethre
Oruze Cruise
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Posted - 2015.03.04 23:52:37 -
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You would be better off pooling resources to hire mercenaries, in an attempt to hinder his logistics in empire space. |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
241
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Posted - 2015.03.05 00:18:37 -
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I don't quite understand what you all are talking about. It's quite simple to put a bounty on someone. Sure, the "official" channels through CONCORD are rather lackluster, but that is far from the only method.
It's as simple as saying, for example, "Whoever brings me a recent, relevant kill report on Anslo will be entitled to a percentage payout of what the ship and or pod was worth, payed out by myself, personally."
Edit: I would like to add that I am not actually placing a bounty on Anslo, his name was merely the first one to pop into my head. Sending me kill reports of him won't earn you anything. |
Jukko Riis
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
81
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Posted - 2015.03.05 00:32:59 -
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I started a Million ISK bounty on him a month or so back and invited everyone to add to it. People have and every so often I get a little note from CONCORD that someone collected on it.
Best mil I ever spent.
I say keep adding to the bounty and invest in a little publicity, maybe add a high end ship contract or two to sweeten the pot and we wouldn't have to hire expensive mercs. Hundreds of low-end ones would work just as well.
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
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Eli Sariah
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.05 00:37:17 -
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Would it be possible to launch a massive operation to locate him, destroy his towards, and take back the innocents? A joint operation to save those who he is killing, I would join such a fleet, i can set aside my differences for the greater good.. We can blockade him while out brothers and sisters take out all of his assets and towers..
"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.
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Karmilla Strife
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
270
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Posted - 2015.03.05 00:49:16 -
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Bounties and monikers such as "Slave Butcher" only give this individual the attention he craves. The proper response is to silently destroy him whenever he is on grid.
To those who oppose slavery: There are better ways to accomplish your goals than to crow about how bad examples such as Nauplius are. Do your research. Do not feed funds to organizations that merely stockpile slaves in concentration ("Matriculation") camps. Direct them to organizations that actually free slaves. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
342
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Posted - 2015.03.05 01:04:42 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:Bounties and monikers such as "Slave Butcher" only give this individual the attention he craves. The proper response is to silently destroy him whenever he is on grid.
To those who oppose slavery: There are better ways to accomplish your goals than to crow about how bad examples such as Nauplius are. Do your research. Do not feed funds to organizations that merely stockpile slaves in concentration ("Matriculation") camps. Direct them to organizations that actually free slaves.
Also, perma-wardec?
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Karmilla Strife
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
270
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Posted - 2015.03.05 01:25:33 -
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If you'd like. Nappy exploits the militia wardec system already. As much as I don't like him, he's not stupid regarding his conflict status. |
Albizu Zateki
Cult of the Lash
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Posted - 2015.03.05 01:34:44 -
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None of those methods will work. And you all know that.
Capturing him outside of his pod might...but not really.
What drives him to commit the acts you find so abhorrent, is his faith.
And you will never change that either.
My hypothesis is that only other Sani Sabik would have a chance of effecting a long-term change within his soul.
"Bloody Omir's coming back.
Monsters from the endless black.
Wading through a crimson flood,
Omir's come to drink your blood."
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Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
285
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Posted - 2015.03.05 02:32:08 -
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Albizu Zateki wrote:None of those methods will work. And you all know that.
Capturing him outside of his pod might...but not really.
What drives him to commit the acts you find so abhorrent, is his faith.
And you will never change that either.
My hypothesis is that only other Sani Sabik would have a chance of effecting a long-term change within his soul. Are you planning to test that hypothesis, Mr. Zateki? |
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Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
171
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Posted - 2015.03.05 08:35:45 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:The proper response is to silently destroy him whenever he is on grid.
I could not agree more.
Karmilla Strife wrote:To those who oppose slavery: feed funds to ... organizations that actually free slaves.
And who would that be?
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
343
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Posted - 2015.03.05 08:47:49 -
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Shaera Taam wrote:Karmilla Strife wrote:The proper response is to silently destroy him whenever he is on grid. I could not agree more. Karmilla Strife wrote:To those who oppose slavery: feed funds to ... organizations that actually free slaves. And who would that be?
If you find any slaves send them to Aurora Arcology and get them sorted. That's one way.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
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Posted - 2015.03.05 10:19:39 -
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As stated, Aurora Arcology. |
Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
843
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Posted - 2015.03.05 10:24:28 -
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A bounty will do no good. There's only two things you can do or consider.
1) Ignore him, if you have no real interest. He's an extremist, and I trust PIE and other loyalists to put him in his place if nobody encourages him. There's a lot of outcry from others who do nothing; I must give PIE some credit for actually doing what others won't. The attention is honestly all he wants so all this very thread and side comments are really doing no good.
2) Hunt him yourself. Often actions made with no words spoken are the most powerful.
-Eran
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Reiisha
Repracor Industries
723
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Posted - 2015.03.10 11:26:14 -
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Can't we just hunt his clones down, destroy them and his clone contracts, then hunt himself down and ask him to nobly sacrifice himself for his own cause?
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Karmilla Strife
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
287
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Posted - 2015.03.10 12:55:04 -
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Shaera Taam wrote: And who would that be?
I'm not an abolitionist, so I wouldn't know.
Personally I would be wary of any person or group focused on acquiring slaves and gathering them in one spot (often, conveniently, their own hangars). Instead contact groups with a proven record of actually releasing people. |
Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
339
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Posted - 2015.03.10 12:55:29 -
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Reiisha wrote:Can't we just hunt his clones down, destroy them and his clone contracts, then hunt himself down and ask him to nobly sacrifice himself for his own cause? It's difficult. Clone bays are particularly high-security areas, even for our society.
Also, this is one of those "solutions" that hardly anyone ever talks about. Its use would set a potentially fatal precedent for our entire class. |
Albizu Zateki
Cult of the Lash
41
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:45:24 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Albizu Zateki wrote:None of those methods will work. And you all know that.
Capturing him outside of his pod might...but not really.
What drives him to commit the acts you find so abhorrent, is his faith.
And you will never change that either.
My hypothesis is that only other Sani Sabik would have a chance of effecting a long-term change within his soul. Are you planning to test that hypothesis, Mr. Zateki?
Actually...
After some thought, yes.
If he can connect with others of the faith, attend services with us, discuss scripture...and if God guides us in our efforts, then yes. I think we can make a lasting change in his modus operandi.
I will contact him directly and see if this can be arranged.
But I must warn the rest of you. Do not attempt to pursue or kill him. He is Sani Sabik and if we're going to take care of our own, then it has to be done our way. If one of you should be lucky enough to actually capture or corner him, please contact either myself or one of my associates and we'll take it from there.
Thank you.
"Bloody Omir's coming back.
Monsters from the endless black.
Wading through a crimson flood,
Omir's come to drink your blood."
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Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
26
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Posted - 2015.03.10 15:38:24 -
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Albizu Zateki wrote:
But I must warn the rest of you. Do not attempt to pursue or kill him. He is Sani Sabik and if we're going to take care of our own, then it has to be done our way. If one of you should be lucky enough to actually capture or corner him, please contact either myself or one of my associates and we'll take it from there.
Thank you.
You're not my commanding officer or parent.
Nope! |
Albizu Zateki
Cult of the Lash
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:10:56 -
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Maria Daphiti wrote:Albizu Zateki wrote:
But I must warn the rest of you. Do not attempt to pursue or kill him. He is Sani Sabik and if we're going to take care of our own, then it has to be done our way. If one of you should be lucky enough to actually capture or corner him, please contact either myself or one of my associates and we'll take it from there.
Thank you.
You're not my commanding officer or parent. Nope!
That is your choice. My words were meant not to protect him, but to protect you.
In the end, it's really up to God.
"Bloody Omir's coming back.
Monsters from the endless black.
Wading through a crimson flood,
Omir's come to drink your blood."
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