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Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
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Posted - 2015.03.05 11:11:12 -
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I am aware of RvB fleets and Bombers Bar fleets but from what I hear those fleets tend to be very large. I wonder if there is a group that specialise in bring people together for fleets but in limited numbers so that you may have between 4-8 people in a fleet, ie small gang warfare with the same NPSI attitude as the larger fleets.
I ask as my main toon is between corps at the moment, I would like to do micro/small gang pvp but in an NPC corp I currently need to either fly solo or join a large, anyone can join, fleet, or not pvp at all. |
Red Teufel
Mafia Redux Feign Disorder
433
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Posted - 2015.03.05 12:52:24 -
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small gang fleets require every pilot to know what they are doing. Just one of you could get the entire fleet killed. Hence giving very bad intel that there is a bubble on the gate. everyone warps then the enemy fleet wrecks you. |
Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
3
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Posted - 2015.03.05 13:04:41 -
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Red Teufel wrote:small gang fleets require every pilot to know what they are doing. Just one of you could get the entire fleet killed. Hence giving very bad intel that there is a bubble on the gate. everyone warps then the enemy fleet wrecks you.
I get that, it goes with the territory, I am not talking 100m plus ships here, I am thinking more fun fleets, t1 cruisers down. When I was in a corp we whelped fleets, it's just fun to go out and pvp and not take it too seriously, but in massive fleets the fun is less (I think) and if your not in a corp then I am unaware of smaller fleets. |
Tung Yoggi
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
69
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:23:38 -
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This sounds like Agony Empire classes, or Center for Advanced Studies public fleets. You might want to contact them. |
Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
3
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:26:14 -
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Tung Yoggi wrote:This sounds like Agony Empire classes, or Center for Advanced Studies public fleets. You might want to contact them.
Hi Tung, I was not aware of those, thanks, I'll look into them. |
Kane Carnifex
Yard Evolution The Kadeshi
31
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Posted - 2015.03.05 15:56:55 -
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Massive fleets are impressive by the amounts of people on grid (it may get low FPS, be prepared). If you do a mistake you properly don't kill the entire Fleet. Also it doesnt require any high skills of piloting as the FC is giving you very clear instructions. In case you are a Interceptor or Interdicotor Pilot you should know the DOs and DONTs :)
10T1 Caracals are fun or go for sniping destroyers also funny, unfortunately i can-¦t provide any contact which you could easily join a NPSI Fleet. But i know they are out there :P
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Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
37
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Posted - 2015.03.05 17:59:40 -
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Look into the "Taking Solo Back" community. May have to do a bit of googling to find them and their in-game channel but despite what the name says, I do believe that guys within that community will pair up or fly in small gangs from time to time to engage larger blobs. It might be the closest thing to what you're looking for. And as far as I know, most of those guys don't share any official affiliation.
Member of #tweetfleet @stalence //
Combat FRAPs on YouTube
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Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
3
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Posted - 2015.03.05 18:45:40 -
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Stalence wrote:Look into the "Taking Solo Back" community. May have to do a bit of googling to find them and their in-game channel but despite what the name says, I do believe that guys within that community will pair up or fly in small gangs from time to time to engage larger blobs. It might be the closest thing to what you're looking for. And as far as I know, most of those guys don't share any official affiliation.
Yeah I was in that channel a month or so ago, I may well look it up again. seemed to be a lot of chat about not much inparticular when I was there last. |
Mobadder Thworst
Perkone Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2015.03.16 00:55:49 -
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I would advise to try a high sec merc group. There are some good ones out there and they can be fun.
How are you with the mechanics? If you want to play small team, you have to know the maneuver mechanics.
If you want, contact me. I teach and, if you're good, I'm sure I could hook you up with some good guys in a skilled merc corp.
Search "welcome to pvp, v2" on the forums. It is a mechanics tutorial I wrote a while back. It is the stuff I used to teach when I was training people in CEVL and CRUDO.
I trained a lot of people with better killboards than me. |
Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
7
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Posted - 2015.03.16 11:28:01 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:I would advise to try a high sec merc group. There are some good ones out there and they can be fun.
How are you with the mechanics? If you want to play small team, you have to know the maneuver mechanics.
If you want, contact me. I teach and, if you're good, I'm sure I could hook you up with some good guys in a skilled merc corp.
Search "welcome to pvp, v2" on the forums. It is a mechanics tutorial I wrote a while back. It is the stuff I used to teach when I was training people in CEVL and CRUDO.
I trained a lot of people with better killboards than me.
Thanks for the post. I'll look that up, I would say that I am a noob when it comes to the mechanics at the moment. So I guess there is a lot to learn. |
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Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
7
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Posted - 2015.03.16 12:17:40 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:I would advise to try a high sec merc group. There are some good ones out there and they can be fun.
How are you with the mechanics? If you want to play small team, you have to know the maneuver mechanics.
If you want, contact me. I teach and, if you're good, I'm sure I could hook you up with some good guys in a skilled merc corp.
Search "welcome to pvp, v2" on the forums. It is a mechanics tutorial I wrote a while back. It is the stuff I used to teach when I was training people in CEVL and CRUDO.
I trained a lot of people with better killboards than me.
I just read that post, excellent writing and it is giving me some incentive now to get more involved. I am currently flying a duel rep breacher with Nova Fury Rockets, which seems to fit in well with your AB fits for close range, higher damage with the Fury Rockets (although I will need to check their explosion radius) compared with frigates in general. So I guess with this fit I am really looking for Armour Fit frigs & Cruisers. I am never sure about engaging destroyers in a frigate as they general eat frigs for breakfast.
Of course another issue potentially is fighting against drone boats. Thanks again though, that info was very very useful. |
Mobadder Thworst
Perkone Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2015.03.16 16:47:57 -
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I would be interested to see your burst build.
I'm always open to discussing maneuver and build... I love rockets but there is a lot to discuss about them that is not in my tutorial.
Catch me in game or send an email.
Keep in my mind that designing your target is the other half of your build. If you don't figure out what a good target would be for your build, there is a good chance you are fighting someone who thinks you are a good target for his build. Victory loves preparation...
If you go the low sec route, keep in mind that the locals have all their ships there. Having 10 ships in system is a huge and largely invisible advantage. They will be undocking scissors as soon as someone sees you brought paper.
Rocket ships have a lot of vulnerabilities that coincide with the most common builds in low sec. If you are taking a rocket ship to low sec, try to think of something it can beat that you are reasonably likely to see. The build can work, but think it through first.
Mo
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Samuel Triptee
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
98
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Posted - 2015.03.19 19:44:44 -
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A bit of Gal Mil FW experience to pass along...
I've logged in 10 times the last 2 weeks for a couple hours each night at about 6:00pm est. and there has been at least one fleet of anywhere from 10 to 40 pilots undocked every night. We either roam looking for other small gangs, decide to plex a system (which attracts small gangs), or bash an iHub (which takes about 30 minutes max.). These fleets fly anything from T1 frigs to T2 cruisers, and larger stuff when the iHub needs taken down.
There are many and varied opportunities for small gang activity in FW.
Have You Hugged Your Frigate Today?
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Mobadder Thworst
Perkone Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:02:06 -
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I think 10 is the upper end of "small gang." I didn't have much of a small gang experience in FW.
Above about half a dozen people, individual maneuver skills start to become less significant and FC skill starts to become critical.
I prefer those small fleet interactions because every player gets to learn, make decisions, and do original things. Hitting primary and jumping when told just aren't the pvp experience I'm into.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2865
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Posted - 2015.03.19 22:40:48 -
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Nicola Romanoff wrote:Red Teufel wrote:small gang fleets require every pilot to know what they are doing. Just one of you could get the entire fleet killed. Hence giving very bad intel that there is a bubble on the gate. everyone warps then the enemy fleet wrecks you. I get that, it goes with the territory, I am not talking 100m plus ships here, I am thinking more fun fleets, t1 cruisers down. When I was in a corp we whelped fleets, it's just fun to go out and pvp and not take it too seriously, but in massive fleets the fun is less (I think) and if your not in a corp then I am unaware of smaller fleets. You can structure small gangs so that they are "fault tolerant" and "degrade gracefully" when fleet members go down or have to warp off.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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JetStream Drenard
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
61
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Posted - 2015.03.20 01:28:29 -
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That is a really difficult question to answer. Because their are many corps that primarily do small gang stuff and they advertise very little because that would make them too big. It also depends on what space you want to do it in.
I would check this forum https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 research some corps, then talk to them directly tell them what you are into and see if they have a place for you.
I will warn you, as others have mentioned, small gangs rely heavily on individual pilot skill so the elite ones will only be open to people with lots of experience and sp. But lots will welcome you with 10m sp in combat skills and a desire to learn and be active. |
Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
10
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Posted - 2015.03.20 12:18:41 -
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JetStream Drenard wrote:That is a really difficult question to answer. Because their are many corps that primarily do small gang stuff and they advertise very little because that would make them too big. It also depends on what space you want to do it in. I would check this forum https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 research some corps, then talk to them directly tell them what you are into and see if they have a place for you. I will warn you, as others have mentioned, small gangs rely heavily on individual pilot skill so the elite ones will only be open to people with lots of experience and sp. But lots will welcome you with 10m sp in combat skills and a desire to learn and be active.
Yeah that is the thing, not having the knowledge the people that do small gang don't want to know you, and yet you wont get the knowledge until you do small gang.
I've tried the forums and found it lacking, I am sure people do not actually read what people are after but blanket reply and then you end up potentially in a corp that is nothing like what you want to do. and then leave... rinse repeat.
Going out there solo is OK but it isn't really learning the ropes, more stumbling into them on your own but I guess experience is experience. One option I thought of was to look on zkillboard for the loses of decent (not elistist) small gang corps, copy a couple of their fits and then go try them out, maybe even against that same group. The only thing there being I don't know who the decent small gang corps are. |
JetStream Drenard
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
61
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Posted - 2015.03.20 14:14:50 -
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Nicola Romanoff wrote:JetStream Drenard wrote:That is a really difficult question to answer. Because their are many corps that primarily do small gang stuff and they advertise very little because that would make them too big. It also depends on what space you want to do it in. I would check this forum https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 research some corps, then talk to them directly tell them what you are into and see if they have a place for you. I will warn you, as others have mentioned, small gangs rely heavily on individual pilot skill so the elite ones will only be open to people with lots of experience and sp. But lots will welcome you with 10m sp in combat skills and a desire to learn and be active. Yeah that is the thing, not having the knowledge the people that do small gang don't want to know you, and yet you wont get the knowledge until you do small gang. I've tried the forums and found it lacking, I am sure people do not actually read what people are after but blanket reply and then you end up potentially in a corp that is nothing like what you want to do. and then leave... rinse repeat. Going out there solo is OK but it isn't really learning the ropes, more stumbling into them on your own but I guess experience is experience. One option I thought of was to look on zkillboard for the loses of decent (not elistist) small gang corps, copy a couple of their fits and then go try them out, maybe even against that same group. The only thing there being I don't know who the decent small gang corps are. Finding a good eve corp is alot like finding a good job. You have to do the footwork, and there are many reasons why you might decide to not stay with the first few you join. No recruiter is going to contact you just because you made this post. It is not like you have to or even should move all your assets until you decide to stay. Your most important questions should be timezone and what they do on a daily/weekly basis and do these things line up with want you want. After you join, is only when you find if it was a good fit for you or not. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
882
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Posted - 2015.03.23 02:46:31 -
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If you just want NPSI, try the spectre fleets out of amarr. Contact Che'Nedra Borune in game for details. He FCs them at times. He's good and he's about explosions. Cheap ships and good times. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2015.03.23 04:28:08 -
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Nicola Romanoff wrote:I am aware of RvB fleets and Bombers Bar fleets but from what I hear those fleets tend to be very large.....
the RvB Ganked roam is usually a rather large affair, but your general RvB shenanigans are usually ~10-20'ish people a side. There are also regular'ish lowsec and 0.0 NPSI roams run by individual RvB members that vary in size, but over ~20 people is rare.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Shadow Adanza
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
178
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Posted - 2015.03.23 05:04:19 -
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Having done FW for 3 years now, I've had more than my fair share of small gang fights. Not saying join FW, but find out where the more active FW corps on any given side base out of and take a small gang of your friends. Most corps will try to bring an even fight against neutrals if they're not acting like pricks.
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
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DaRiKavus
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2015.03.24 10:50:42 -
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Small gang PVP is not dead but due to the current meta in Eve very difficult to find anything to actually engage without getting ganked/hot-dropped or just plain blue balled (until the blob arrives)
IMHO this game has moved from a fun PVP game that catered for the small gang/solo pilots,more towards big fleets of no-skill retards smack talking you in local because they have "friends" and where able to ROFLSTOMP your entire fleet with triple your numbers. Try and kite, the entire fleet hugs the gate and only engages when logi is on grid and you cant kill anything. Dont even bother brawling...you will die in a fire. Try solo and most people run....until they can blob the f**k out of you. Try small gang...bring in the neut geddons and falcons for a 5 man Hac/T1 cruiser gang.
I am sure all the stories about the amazing small gang action out there will come streaming in now, along with some flaming of my post.
And no you cant have my stuff. |
Mobadder Thworst
Covert Operations The Volition Cult
125
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Posted - 2015.03.24 10:53:11 -
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DaRiKavus wrote:Small gang PVP is not dead but due to the current meta in Eve very difficult to find anything to actually engage without getting ganked/hot-dropped or just plain blue balled (until the blob arrives)
IMHO this game has moved from a fun PVP game that catered for the small gang/solo pilots,more towards big fleets of no-skill retards smack talking you in local because they have "friends" and where able to ROFLSTOMP your entire fleet with triple your numbers. Try and kite, the entire fleet hugs the gate and only engages when logi is on grid and you cant kill anything. Dont even bother brawling...you will die in a fire. Try solo and most people run....until they can blob the f**k out of you. Try small gang...bring in the neut geddons and falcons for a 5 man Hac/T1 cruiser gang.
I am sure all the stories about the amazing small gang action out there will come streaming in now, along with some flaming of my post.
And no you cant have my stuff.
+1 Well said |
Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
16
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Posted - 2015.03.24 11:59:54 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:DaRiKavus wrote:Small gang PVP is not dead but due to the current meta in Eve very difficult to find anything to actually engage without getting ganked/hot-dropped or just plain blue balled (until the blob arrives)
IMHO this game has moved from a fun PVP game that catered for the small gang/solo pilots,more towards big fleets of no-skill retards smack talking you in local because they have "friends" and where able to ROFLSTOMP your entire fleet with triple your numbers. Try and kite, the entire fleet hugs the gate and only engages when logi is on grid and you cant kill anything. Dont even bother brawling...you will die in a fire. Try solo and most people run....until they can blob the f**k out of you. Try small gang...bring in the neut geddons and falcons for a 5 man Hac/T1 cruiser gang.
I am sure all the stories about the amazing small gang action out there will come streaming in now, along with some flaming of my post.
And no you cant have my stuff. +1 Well said
It is a shame, perhaps something could be done about it. There seems to be plenty of people wanting to solo and/or small gang fight. I know it isnt ideal as it seems "staged" but there has to be a region or two that is pretty dead from other activity perhaps those could be the hunting grounds for people wanting that kind of action, like Providence has set itself up to be welcoming to neuts and a NRDS environement.
I dont know enough about the different regions to know which would be suitable or even if that is a valid option
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Mizhir
Matari Exodus
74153
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Posted - 2015.03.24 12:55:16 -
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Your wish has been granted.
Also, smallgang pvp isn't dead. It's hard, but doable.
One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
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Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
16
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:15:46 -
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Interesting.
If small gang is hard but doable then solo is harder and even less doable :D |
DaRiKavus
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:44:33 -
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Who said it was dead ?
Quote:Small gang PVP is not dead but due to the current meta in Eve very difficult to find anything to actually engage without getting ganked/hot-dropped or just plain blue balled (until the blob arrives)
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Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:54:11 -
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DaRiKavus wrote:Who said it was dead ? Quote:Small gang PVP is not dead but due to the current meta in Eve very difficult to find anything to actually engage without getting ganked/hot-dropped or just plain blue balled (until the blob arrives)
They said it was not dead, just hard to find, and in my experience I have to agree with that. |
DaRiKavus
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:55:44 -
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Oh and on a side note.
Hanging out in Thera hoping that some elitist PVP'ers "Pick me" to have the honour of flying with them does in no way,shape or form fix the current clusterf**k that is small gang/solo PVP in Eve.
IMHO the way it goes is this.
You live in an area that is dominated by a fairly large Alliance, therfore you have area wide Intel on the majority of non-blue movement. So while you are waiting for your masters to call the next CTA you take a ship out (typically a ceptor/T1 cruiser or if you are feeling space rich a T3/CS) and roam around the local area. You NEVER go far enough from blues that you cant call in the gank squad, most of your ships are set up so you can run like a ***** if needed (common sense) or so tanky that you can de-agress and jump through the gate or simply wait for reinforcements. You have some fights, you FRAPS, you add dubstep...you are a PVP god. When you get REKT you mainly cry in local or join the next gank squad that is roaming and dry bum the next small gang you come across.
The above applies to 99% of "PVP'ers" in this game. The vast majority of them can only fly in F1 fleets, gank targets through exploiting the FoTM Meta or simply outclassing their opponents ship.
Do I sound butt hurt? Probably. But you try pumping 1000s of hrs and several thousand pound in subs to game that changes so drastically in 24 months that I would rather play "How many wasps can I force into my rectum?" than Eve.
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Nicola Romanoff
Quantum Innovations Limited
16
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Posted - 2015.03.24 14:14:48 -
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Yeah I think that you may have it right to a degree,
I try to do things a little different in that I would jump in my ship (probably a T1 or T2 frigate) and wander the routes close to wherever I was living and would search for individuals wanting a fight, generally either by waiting on a gate or flying to anoms/belts etc.
I would look at intel to see where they are and head in that direction but they mostly are gone, or have died to someone else so I generally donGÇÖt get to see much, even if surrounded by blues the GÇ£red or neutsGÇ¥ in the areas were often in fleets and wouldnGÇÖt respond to a GÇ£soloGÇ¥ request and simply blap me out of the way before continuing.
I wouldnGÇÖt really call backup, because I would either have won (unlikely or be dead (more likely) by the time anyone arrived anyway even if I was only 1 system out from home base. but mainly because I was looking for solo fights. no off grid boosters either, just me, my ship and its fittings.
And that is what I am looking for, and finding hard to find, as I guess you are (from your comments) and from the others that have replied. I can see why really, because it is GÇ£rareGÇ¥ for people to solo (or micro gang) then when you are in someones territory they will get whoever is interested together in order to squash you. I cannot think of any group that would say GÇ£oh there is only 1 (or 4) of them) lets only take 4 people to the fight.
The corp I was with for years I left because I hoped to find solo fights (as I pretty much am on my own solo is better for me) but it is a very hard thing to find, you may find a solo fight but only after 10 times getting blobbed. And just for clarification I am thinking more null sec fights rather than high or low sec.
Another idea (again no idea if this is feasable) is to add to contacts all people that you know are interested in your type of combat, so for me solo, and then if you are in the mood for fighting you arrange an area (still large enough that you have to hunt) where to meet up and have fights, again though this may seem too structured rather than spontaneous |
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