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Kick Axe Blackwing
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:21:18 -
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Does anyone else think people camping on items with ridiculous buy prices is nonsense?
E.G. 500K Isk item sell price and "campers" with buy prices of 1000 Isk or less
At least put in a floor limit of some kind to stop this practice. |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:27:53 -
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Um, they are allowing that specifically because market griefing is a part of the game as much as PVP griefing is.
Also, how do you know that the 500k sale is the true value of the item? I can make a whole bunch of sale orders for 5 billion each, doesn't mean anyone will buy my stuff. The 1000 isk orders are perfectly valid for "vacuuming up the trash and then reprocessing it" or for parting non-thinkers and their money.
If you want, though, you can click on the little sprocket icon in one of the corners of the market window (forget which corner) to access market settings, and set up the filters to NOT show YOU all the orders that are out of range of the average market value like that. You can eliminate all the 1000 isk orders and all the 5 billion orders and save yourself some headache. The orders will still be there, you just won't see them. |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:35:16 -
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This isn't the case in trade hubs like Jita, Amarr, etc. You have a few options. You can create sell orders at whatever price you think is competitive, you can hold on to it and haul off to a trade hub, you can refine the stuff and use the minerals to create ammo or something. Any one of these choices will require specific skills to be trained if you want them to be profitable in the long run.
There's also nothing stopping you from putting up ridiculous buy orders. Perfectly valid.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5918
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:35:26 -
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Oh, it's him again.
It's a free market. You are NEVER forced to sell to them at 1000 ISK, if you don't like it put the item up as a sell order for the price you think it's worth.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:40:22 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:Does anyone else think people camping on items with ridiculous buy prices is nonsense? Nope.
Quote:E.G. 500K Isk item sell price and "campers" with buy prices of 1000 Isk or less If I want to attempt to sell something at an inflated price I can, if someone wants to buy it for that inflated price more fool them. The same goes for buy orders, most of my income comes from reprocessing modules that sell for considerably less than their mineral value, if people are daft enough to sell them to me for the price I offer then that's their lookout.
Quote:At least put in a floor limit of some kind to stop this practice. Which part of the words sandbox and player driven market did you fail to comprehend?
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Kick Axe Blackwing
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:41:08 -
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I can't believe this is a considered a feature.
The floor price should at least be what you can reprocess at.
Whatever. Moving on.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1049
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:42:39 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:I can't believe this is a considered a feature.
You kidding? It's not just a feature, it's a selling point of the game!
(pun not intended)
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:43:14 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:I can't believe this is a considered a feature.
The floor price should at least be what you can reprocess at.
Whatever. Moving on.
No.
Cause even mineral market is player driven.
NOTHING in EVE has a fixed price. Hell, even NPC seeded stuff can be partially be turned into a player market (skill books at Jita for instance are all player supplied).
Really, go play "that other MMO", as you completely fail to see what 'sandbox' and 'player driven' game means. From both of your threads, you really don't like (or don't want to like) the whole sandbox feature of EVE and are looking for that themepark MMO where with every ride you get a full list of safety features and are made sure that you are completely safe.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5918
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:44:00 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:I can't believe this is a considered a feature. You kidding? It's not just a feature, it's a selling point of the game! (pun not intended)
Too bad, would have been a great pun.
WTB pun for 0.01 ISK
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1049
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:49:33 -
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J'Poll wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:I can't believe this is a considered a feature. You kidding? It's not just a feature, it's a selling point of the game! (pun not intended) Too bad, would have been a great pun. WTB pun for 0.01 ISK
I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I just can't seem to put it down.
Please send 0.01 isk
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:51:47 -
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Why should the floor price be set at the recycle value?
You completely fail to understand the market system.
A floor price set at recycle value means that CCP would be forcing a bunch of players to BUY at that value, from you. I sure as hell wouldn't create market buy orders at the recycle price.
NPC buy orders, you say, to buy your junk, like every other game has? That just injects ISK into the economy, and they specifically got rid of all the NPC buy orders 5 years ago (it used to be like that), because too much ISK in the economy. That's why a PLEX costs almost a billion by the way. PLEX used to be 300k, but everyone has too much ISK nowadays. Just not you, sorry.
As a second point, I love getting crap for 1000 isk and recycling it and making a few million. Took the initiative to set up the orders. Nobody else took the initiative to 1001 isk my orders to beat me. So why shouldn't I be able to make money off the laziness of those who click the sell button without looking, or those who don't care and sell anyway?
NO to bottom prices and NPC orders to buy junk. I want to profit by setting those orders myself. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:52:05 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:The floor price should at least be what you can reprocess at. Why?
If someone is dumb enough to sell me stuff for below the mineral value then that's their problem. Many of us have put in many hours of research figuring out which modules are selling for less than their mineral value and then taking advantage of that to make money. What you're suggesting completely negates that effort and removes a valid industrial playstyle.
Just because you can't see past the end of your own nose doesn't mean that other people should be penalised for your own short sightedness
TL;DR You're posting from a position of ignorance. From your posting history you simply don't get Eve, Hello Kitty online sounds more to your taste and can be found via google
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Chal0ner
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:55:16 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:I can't believe this is a considered a feature.
The floor price should at least be what you can reprocess at.
Whatever. Moving on.
Seriously? You are either trolliing ... or this is definately NOT the game for you. If these things make you so upset that you need to post on the forums about them you are probably not going to enjoy the game much. I thought you were informed by the community what kind of game this is? Or, that you did your background research on what kind of game this is. Or both.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23213
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:57:40 -
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Chal0ner wrote:You are either trolliing ... or this is definately NOT the game for you.
Why not both?
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Kick Axe Blackwing
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:57:56 -
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Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items??
Is it also not true that these items affect the buy and sell prices??
Why hasn't anyone talked about that?
Is it not also not true that if someone didn't camp on an item then you can sell at the NPC price?
Price griefing??
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Chal0ner
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.06 13:58:41 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:J'Poll wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:I can't believe this is a considered a feature. You kidding? It's not just a feature, it's a selling point of the game! (pun not intended) Too bad, would have been a great pun. WTB pun for 0.01 ISK I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I just can't seem to put it down. Please send 0.01 isk
NOOO, wait ... I'll buy it for 0.02 ISK! Maybe I'm too late?
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5919
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:01:22 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:I can't believe this is a considered a feature.
The floor price should at least be what you can reprocess at.
Whatever. Moving on.
Hmz,
I'm already looking forward to your next thread about why a sandbox-feature should be turned into a themepark-feature.
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Chal0ner
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:01:31 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items??
Most things on market are player made. Skillbooks, implants and blueprint originals being the most obvious npc products. Also: Dear CCP, make corpses harvestable to produce player made implants |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1049
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:04:43 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items??
Is it also not true that these items affect the buy and sell prices??
Why hasn't anyone talked about that?
Is it not also not true that if someone didn't camp on an item then you can sell at the NPC price?
Price griefing??
NPC's only have a "market" in that you can buy things from NPC's with loyalty points (LP). Players then either use those items or sell them on the open market for isk at player determined prices.
NPC buy orders were removed a long time before you and I got here.
You've only seen the tip of the iceberg in market PVP.
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Kick Axe Blackwing
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:06:08 -
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Well guys I'm going back to work.
Feel free to trash me while I'm gone.
I'll make you a new post soon to bash me on.
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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
330
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:08:47 -
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Well if you need the attention |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5919
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:09:21 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items??
Is it also not true that these items affect the buy and sell prices??
Why hasn't anyone talked about that?
Is it not also not true that if someone didn't camp on an item then you can sell at the NPC price?
Price griefing??
1. No. NPCs do NOT build anything. They supply you with: Skillbooks and blueprints. And some 'unused' trade goods like janitors and exotic dancers are traded by NPCs (whcih have about 0 impact on a market).
2. No. Materials needed for production come from players. And players thus set the price of said products.
3. Uhm, cause it's common knowledge that the game is player driven...which includes the market (the share of NPC orders is near 0).
4. Nope. As most things aren't even bought by NPCs. Unless you want to sell of the trade goods that are bought by NPCs. And as long as the player is below those buy orders, you will sell to the NPC, as you will Always sell to the most profitable sell order you can sell too (if you have a buy order of 100k ISK and 500 buy orders of 0.01 ISK, when you sell your item, you get 100k ISK as that's the most profitable buy order in range).
5. Yes, it's nice to price grief. I love it when brain death people sell me all their mission loot for 100 ISK a piece...which then can be resold in trade hubs for a nice profit (even after the cost to get it all hauled to the trade hub).
A small hint, before you come back with yet another stupid reply:
Log in
Open market
Look at expire time on orders:
IF order expire time =< 90 days it is a player order IF order expire time > 90 days it is a NPC order.
You will quickly find out, 99.9% of the items you look up, are player orders all over.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:09:54 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items?? A very limited amount of things are sold by NPCs, primarily skillbooks and BPO's. They also trade in low value commodities with no real use or value to players.
This is by design, NPCs used to buy and sell a whole lot more stuff but CCP have since put that market segment into the hands of players
Quote:Is it also not true that these items affect the buy and sell prices?? In the strictest interpretation yes, in reality? Not really.
Quote:Why hasn't anyone talked about that? Outside of skill books and BPO's NPCs have no effect on the market.
Quote:Is it not also not true that if someone didn't camp on an item then you can sell at the NPC price? Very few people trade in the items that NPCs purchase, because those items are worthless.
Hahah no, taking advantage of people with too much money or no sense isn't griefing, it's good business practice; ask Apple.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:22:57 -
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NPC's don't have manufacturing, they don't make items, and they don't sell or buy items on the market. They only sell skillbooks, and they don't buy them back.
So yeah, you have the wrong understanding of the market. It's all player. If the players who put up the 1000 isk orders get rid of them, you won't be able to sell the items AT ALL. Nobody wants them they're not even gonna be on the market, worth 0.
Also, this is the newbie questions forum; you've asked, we've explained. Stop whining and trolling and not accepting the answers, and we'll stop bashing on you. We don't care that you are a newbie or that you didn't know, but now that the issue has been explained, you need to accept it as the reality of this game. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:31:19 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:Is it not true that the NPC has a market and it manufactures items??
No. With the exception of skill books, BPOs and some trade goods (like soil, seeds and the like and some tags), every order on the market is created by a player.
Quote:Is it also not true that these items affect the buy and sell prices??
Why hasn't anyone talked about that?
Probably because they don't exist.
Quote:Is it not also not true that if someone didn't camp on an item then you can sell at the NPC price?
Since there's no such thing as an NPC price, no.
I put up a 1000 ISK buy order for items because there are no higher orders and people are willing to sell me the item at that price. If people didn't put up said orders, you wouldn't be able to sell the stuff at all, as there would be no one to sell to.
Also, those 500 000 sell orders may be too high. The fact that people put sell orders at 500 000ISK doesn't mean that items are being bough at 500 000 ISK.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.03.06 17:37:36 -
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Kick Axe Blackwing wrote:Price griefing?? I had suspicions in his last thread. I call troll. Please stop feeding him.
Is that you Nevil?
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.06 18:07:26 -
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Honestly OP you are either a troll and if so need to stay out of the new player Q&A section of the forums or don't have a clue as to how to post constructively.
I will say from this and your previous posts I don't think that eve is the game for you. I recommend that you go play something where the game designers will hold your hand and walk you through stuff and put soft padding on all the sharp corners so that you don't hurt yourself.
If you have a question post it as a question. The original post was uninformed and off base. However instead of asking a question so that you could better understand the market you just bitched about how the market was not even knowing how it was.
CCP has no interest in softening up this game for you. Players set the buy orders on stuff so that each player can determine what is "worth it" for them and what is not. If CCP put a floor on buy orders on stuff that was equivalent to the reprocessed value then no one would put up buy orders for the majority of stuff on the market as there would be zero profit in it for them. Also if they put a floor of say 20% under for example then places out in the middle of nowhere would not have any buy orders as the margin would not make it worth the effort.
I recommend that you read this CCP Falcon post and watch this HTFU video so that you can get an idea of what kind of game the devs want to make. Then I recommend that you log out and cancel your sub and go look for a softer game. |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.03.06 18:24:41 -
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Quote:Forum rules5. Trolling is prohibited.Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
I wouldn't troll NC Q&A but that's just me.
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