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Astera Zandraki Aideron Robotics 92	Posted - 2015.03.21 22:15:43 - [151] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Astera Zandraki wrote: Why don't you ask the people who live there to pass judgement in that? Hang on, just let me ethnically cleanse whole districts and ship in freighter loads of good Forge district families and THEN we'll take that vote. You know. Like the Federation did. It's been centuries since that mistake, and that's exactly what the Caldari/Gallente war was, a mistake. If you want your real enemy, Pieter you should look as you always have, to your 'ally'
Lyn Farel Kitzless 912	Posted - 2015.03.22 09:35:20 - [152] - Quote That point is irrelevant. A gallente minority already existed prior to the war.
The Golden Serpent 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2015.03.22 16:34:00 - [153] - Quote Suffering is God's Vengeance there is no end to suffering until humanity stops straying from his side (infidels). The wretched and the weak are that way because they have offended the almighty. Suffering will end when God decides it in all cases. A peaceful world and universe will be one in which all of its citizens are worshipping God constantly and living for his Will in his Light.
Leopold Caine Stillwater Corporation 499	Posted - 2015.03.25 09:36:39 - [154] - Quote Signed. Instead of any Sabik lunatic with half an isk in his or her pocket, let us professionals take care of the slave trade. For those thinking this is a step towards abolishment of slavery, your naivete is as amusing as it is shallow; as long as there's the demand, there's going to be a supply. Deitra Vess wrote: So you'd buy your slaves off of a group with a notably large Matari Population? Even down to having a bastardized version of the Matari tattooing rituals? Wow..... Bastardized? Rather offensive, ms. Vess, both on account of our culture and our professionalism. I'd advise you do check your facts and inform yourself before believing everything the Scope is feeding you. Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Dailar Toralen Toralen Industries 0	Posted - 2015.03.25 13:16:29 - [155] - Quote Not signed. This is outrageous! Us Capsuleers are immortals. We are not common-folk, not in the least bit. We rule Empires of our own making. It takes them thousands of years to form Empires, it takes us months. Also, consider that there are many Capsuleers who fight for the Empire who make a living off of the Slave Trade, and also threw Slave Labor among our ships.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1409	Posted - 2015.03.25 13:54:53 - [156] - Quote Dailar Toralen wrote: Also, consider that there are many Capsuleers who fight for the Empire who make a living off of the Slave Trade, and also threw Slave Labor among our ships. If those capsuleers are not Holders, then they have no right to own slaves. And if they are Holders, then they can trade or purchase slaves directly between themselves or at traditional planetside slave markets as they have been doing for thousands of years. Amarr has not needed, and does not need, foreign-controlled markets like the SCC involved in our slave trade. "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
Dailar Toralen Toralen Industries 0	Posted - 2015.03.25 13:59:18 - [157] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: Also, consider that there are many Capsuleers who fight for the Empire who make a living off of the Slave Trade, and also threw Slave Labor among our ships. If those capsuleers are not Holders, then they have no right to own slaves. And if they are Holders, then they can trade or purchase slaves directly between themselves or at planetside slave markets. Amarr has not needed, and does not need, foreign-controlled markets like the SCC involved in our slave trade. I never spoke of the SCC, but I did speak of the Slave Trade. We do have right to hold slaves. We are primary suppliers of slaves due to our pillaging and raiding (for some of us).
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1409	Posted - 2015.03.25 14:27:14 - [158] - Quote Dailar Toralen wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: Also, consider that there are many Capsuleers who fight for the Empire who make a living off of the Slave Trade, and also threw Slave Labor among our ships. If those capsuleers are not Holders, then they have no right to own slaves. And if they are Holders, then they can trade or purchase slaves directly between themselves or at planetside slave markets. Amarr has not needed, and does not need, foreign-controlled markets like the SCC involved in our slave trade. I never spoke of the SCC, but I did speak of the Slave Trade. We do have right to hold slaves. We are primary suppliers of slaves due to our pillaging and raiding (for some of us). This petition is explicitly about the SCC. And no, you do not have any right. The military has the right to enslave prisoners of war, not the militia. The militia are independent hired combatants. You do not suddenly have any power in Amarr just because you signed a contract to kill people for pay. Even if the militia did have the right to enslave, the right to enslave is much different from the right to own. Scriptural law is very clear on this: Only Holders may own slaves, period. "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
Dailar Toralen Toralen Industries 0	Posted - 2015.03.25 14:32:32 - [159] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: Also, consider that there are many Capsuleers who fight for the Empire who make a living off of the Slave Trade, and also threw Slave Labor among our ships. If those capsuleers are not Holders, then they have no right to own slaves. And if they are Holders, then they can trade or purchase slaves directly between themselves or at planetside slave markets. Amarr has not needed, and does not need, foreign-controlled markets like the SCC involved in our slave trade. I never spoke of the SCC, but I did speak of the Slave Trade. We do have right to hold slaves. We are primary suppliers of slaves due to our pillaging and raiding (for some of us). This petition is explicitly about the SCC. And no, you do not have any right. The military has the right to enslave prisoners of war, not the militia. The militia are independent hired combatants. You do not suddenly have any power in Amarr just because you signed a contract to kill people for pay. Even if the militia did have the right to enslave, the right to enslave is much different from the right to own. Scriptural law is very clear on this: Only Holders may own slaves, period. Are you Amarr always going to stand behind your religion as a shield for everything thing you do? Threw joining the Militia Toralen Industries has technically become a part of the Amarrian Empire, along with the rest of the militia. We are not paid in ISK, but in rewards for our loyalty. May I remind you that the Militia is known as the 24th Imperial Crusade, a recognized and large part of the Ministry of War? We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Nomistrav Aliastra Gallente Federation 289	Posted - 2015.03.25 14:41:14 - [160] - Quote I abstain from commitment toward either decision - choosing to waive that right entirely - as to not become involved in matters of other cultures; that I may feel free to ask them not to become involved in matters of mine. Third Place Winner Pod and Planet Fiction Contest YC114

Astrial Stargazer Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 8	Posted - 2015.03.25 14:42:27 - [161] - Quote Signed. I have signed this petition in the hope that it might get some lazy or sloth like politician off of its rump and do their job. I was born a slave and through the kindness of others I was blessed to released from that former life. Even though I am a proud member of the Angel Cartel I do not condone illegal slave trade in any form. I have on numerous occasions freed slaves when it was possible. Maybe I am the exception and not the norm in this life, but I will continue to do so when I can. But slavery will never go away no matter how hard someone tries to denounce it, best we can hope for is that it be regulated and overseen by proper authorities and not just put in a dark corner and forgotten.
Dailar Toralen Toralen Industries 0	Posted - 2015.03.25 14:47:45 - [162] - Quote Astrial Stargazer wrote: Signed. I have signed this petition in the hope that it might get some lazy or sloth like politician off of its rump and do their job. I was born a slave and through the kindness of others I was blessed to released from that former life. Even though I am a proud member of the Angel Cartel I do not condone illegal slave trade in any form. I have on numerous occasions freed slaves when it was possible. Maybe I am the exception and not the norm in this life, but I will continue to do so when I can. But slavery will never go away no matter how hard someone tries to denounce it, best we can hope for is that it be regulated and overseen by proper authorities and not just put in a dark corner and forgotten. Ah. You should probally tell your Alliance that they cannot claim systems owned by the Amarr Empire such as the Saikamon System. We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Dailar Toralen Toralen Industries 0	Posted - 2015.03.25 14:48:34 - [163] - Quote Nomistrav wrote: I abstain from commitment toward either decision - choosing to waive that right entirely - as to not become involved in matters of other cultures; that I may feel free to ask them not to become involved in matters of mine. Good choice. We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Foley Aberas Jones Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 211	Posted - 2015.03.25 15:07:44 - [164] - Quote Dailar Toralen wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: Also, consider that there are many Capsuleers who fight for the Empire who make a living off of the Slave Trade, and also threw Slave Labor among our ships. If those capsuleers are not Holders, then they have no right to own slaves. And if they are Holders, then they can trade or purchase slaves directly between themselves or at planetside slave markets. Amarr has not needed, and does not need, foreign-controlled markets like the SCC involved in our slave trade. I never spoke of the SCC, but I did speak of the Slave Trade. We do have right to hold slaves. We are primary suppliers of slaves due to our pillaging and raiding (for some of us). Didn't you JUST make a ******* thread about how the Intaki should be liberated?
Dailar Toralen Toralen Industries 0	Posted - 2015.03.25 15:10:18 - [165] - Quote Foley Aberas Jones wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: Also, consider that there are many Capsuleers who fight for the Empire who make a living off of the Slave Trade, and also threw Slave Labor among our ships. If those capsuleers are not Holders, then they have no right to own slaves. And if they are Holders, then they can trade or purchase slaves directly between themselves or at planetside slave markets. Amarr has not needed, and does not need, foreign-controlled markets like the SCC involved in our slave trade. I never spoke of the SCC, but I did speak of the Slave Trade. We do have right to hold slaves. We are primary suppliers of slaves due to our pillaging and raiding (for some of us). Didn't you JUST make a ******* thread about how the Intaki should be liberated? I was wondering when someone was going to catch that. The Intaki are advanced, they will prosper if they are free, make peace, alliances, benefit the galaxy. The Minmatars are primitive creatures, when they were freed all they did was curse this Galaxy to war. We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Leopold Caine Stillwater Corporation 499	Posted - 2015.03.25 15:11:24 - [166] - Quote Dailar Toralen wrote: Ah. You should probally tell your Alliance that they cannot claim systems owned by the Amarr Empire such as the Saikamon System. Oh come on now. Aren't we great neighbours, hm? Feel free to stop by for tea and mindflood, in any case. Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1409	Posted - 2015.03.25 15:14:27 - [167] - Quote Dailar Toralen wrote: Are you Amarr always going to stand behind your religion as a shield for everything thing you do? Scriptural law is the only law that matters. If you are not serving God then you are not serving Amarr, regardless of your declared loyalties. Quote: Threw joining the Militia Toralen Industries has technically become a part of the Amarrian Empire, along with the rest of the militia. We are not paid in ISK, but in rewards for our loyalty. May I remind you that the Militia is known as the 24th Imperial Crusade, a recognized and large part of the Ministry of War? Your corporation is a privateer organization, granted bounties for combat action against enemies of the Empire by the 24th Imperial Crusade. The fact that the bounty comes in the form of assets instead of isk is irrelevent. We are all independent paramilitary contracters. You are not a member of the Amarr Navy, you are not a professional military officer. If you were a professional military officer, you would be held to exacting restrictions and regulations and would not be permitted to join or leave on a whim. You would only be provided equipment as needed to do your duty, not given it as prize money. Considering how many blood raiders and godless foreigners have infested the 24IC to exploit it for their own benefit, Amarr would be much better off without the militia. The Amarr Navy should be the ones prosecuting the war. "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
Dailar Toralen Toralen Industries 0	Posted - 2015.03.25 15:18:45 - [168] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: Are you Amarr always going to stand behind your religion as a shield for everything thing you do? Scriptural law is the only law that matters. If you are not serving God then you are not serving Amarr, regardless of your declared loyalties. Quote: Threw joining the Militia Toralen Industries has technically become a part of the Amarrian Empire, along with the rest of the militia. We are not paid in ISK, but in rewards for our loyalty. May I remind you that the Militia is known as the 24th Imperial Crusade, a recognized and large part of the Ministry of War? Your corporation is a privateer organization, granted bounties for combat action against enemies of the Empire by the 24th Imperial Crusade. The fact that the bounty comes in the form of assets instead of isk is irrelevent. We are all independent paramilitary contracters. You are not a member of the Amarr Navy, you are not a professional military officer. If you were a professional military officer, you would be held to exacting restrictions and regulations and would not be permitted to join or leave on a whim. You would only be provided equipment as needed to do your duty, not given it as prize money. Considering how many blood raiders and godless foreigners have infested the 24IC to exploit it for their own benefit, Amarr would be much better off without the militia. The Amarr Navy should be the ones prosecuting the war. And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State. We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Kithrus Tzedakah Aegis Militia 348	Posted - 2015.03.25 15:24:27 - [169] - Quote Quote: And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State. That's true for the Khanid Kingdom not the empire itself. You have been allied to the Empire via proxy. However as a Khanid holder thank you for your continued support!
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1409	Posted - 2015.03.25 15:56:02 - [170] - Quote Dailar Toralen wrote: And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State. It is better to lose with grace than to win without. God will look upon those whose victory was carried by the lies of the Deceiver, and He will find them wanting. "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur

Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 2286	Posted - 2015.03.25 16:29:14 - [171] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Considering how many blood raiders and godless foreigners have infested the 24IC to exploit it for their own benefit, Amarr would be much better off without the militia. The Amarr Navy should be the ones prosecuting the war. I know, it's awful isn't it?
Tyrel Toov Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 228	Posted - 2015.03.25 16:35:49 - [172] - Quote Dailar Toralen wrote: The Minmatars are primitive creatures, when they were freed all they did was curse this Galaxy to war. For some reason, I seem to hate you now.... I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Foley Aberas Jones Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 211	Posted - 2015.03.25 16:40:04 - [173] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: The Minmatars are primitive creatures, when they were freed all they did was curse this Galaxy to war. For some reason, I seem to hate you now.... The guy has the shittest ideals that make no sense...how could you not dislike him?
Tyrel Toov Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 228	Posted - 2015.03.25 16:52:54 - [174] - Quote Foley Aberas Jones wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: The Minmatars are primitive creatures, when they were freed all they did was curse this Galaxy to war. For some reason, I seem to hate you now.... The guy has the shittest ideals that make no sense...how could you not dislike him? To be honest, if that were my only criteria for liking people, I'd hate just about everyone. He woulda' had a shot at redemption, but the unnecessary, Diana Kim - like statement killed it. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Dailar Toralen Toralen Industries 0	Posted - 2015.03.25 17:01:47 - [175] - Quote Foley Aberas Jones wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: The Minmatars are primitive creatures, when they were freed all they did was curse this Galaxy to war. For some reason, I seem to hate you now.... The guy has the shittest ideals that make no sense...how could you not dislike him? I just have ideas that people tend not to say because they don't wanna be shot down by people like you and joecuster. We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Lyn Farel Kitzless 912	Posted - 2015.03.25 20:21:32 - [176] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State. It is better to lose with grace than to win without. God will look upon those whose victory was carried by the lies of the Deceiver, and He will find them wanting. I am pretty sure that all the citizens of Devoid and the Bleak Lands will agree with that assessment, once conquered by the TLF, backed by freelancers.
Esna Pitoojee Offworld Trading Company Ethical Carnage 491	Posted - 2015.03.26 03:06:37 - [177] - Quote Absolutely signed. The current system is both detrimental to the upholding of Imperial law and encourages the trade of illegal slaves; I think this is a rare case in which all four of the empires can absolutely agree something should be done.
Astera Zandraki Aideron Robotics 93	Posted - 2015.03.26 03:36:02 - [178] - Quote Esna Pitoojee wrote: Absolutely signed. The current system is both detrimental to the upholding of Imperial law and encourages the trade of illegal slaves; I think this is a rare case in which all four of the empires can absolutely agree something should be done. Hey look, a holder I can have a shred of respect for!
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 4566	Posted - 2015.03.26 03:40:14 - [179] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State. It is better to lose with grace than to win without. God will look upon those whose victory was carried by the lies of the Deceiver, and He will find them wanting. It is always better to win. And many of your people agree with me - from the MIO to the Imperial Family the godless heathens and worse that you have been so vocal in opposition to are now celebrated as decorated Imperial war heroes. I find it particularly interesting that the 24th Imperial Crusade has decided that my service and that of my thrice-notorious kirjuun is equally pleasing in the eyes of the Empress. Whilst your officers can't get through a simple dinner without spitting on their allies and won't even let you fly in the same organisation as their august selves, the Crusade deems us fit to fly in the same militia, occupy the same ranks and even awarded us the same medal as pure-blooded Amarrians. Does that sting a little? "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Ashlar Vellum 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2015.03.26 13:30:10 - [180] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Dailar Toralen wrote: And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State. It is better to lose with grace than to win without. God will look upon those whose victory was carried by the lies of the Deceiver, and He will find them wanting. It is always better to win. And many of your people agree with me - from the MIO to the Imperial Family the godless heathens and worse that you have been so vocal in opposition to are now celebrated as decorated Imperial war heroes. I find it particularly interesting that the 24th Imperial Crusade has decided that my service and that of my thrice-notorious kirjuun is equally pleasing in the eyes of the Empress. Whilst your officers can't get through a simple dinner without spitting on their allies and won't even let you fly in the same organisation as their august selves, the Crusade deems us fit to fly in the same militia, occupy the same ranks and even awarded us the same medal as pure-blooded Amarrians. Does that sting a little? Why would it? You see, even a little piece of wool from a bald defective sheep is good enough, so you might as well pat it for a job well done. So job well done dear contractor, thank you for all the hard work you did. Ou and one more thing, when did this happen "... agree with me - from the MIO ... "?



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