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Maksim Cammeren
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.19 07:17:08 -
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Arronicus wrote:
Highsec incursions in decent groups like ISN can pull 100m/hour reliably, with lower risk than similarly paying nullsec activities. As a very long time nullsec resident, the income is nowhere remotely close to 10x more. The only activity that is really safer in null than high is mining.
As someone who earned most of my ISK that way, I think high-sec Incursions are too good of a money maker. And I do see nullsec alts flying in Incursions all the time, complaining it is better than normal nullsec income.
Which makes me wonder: do nullsec corps regularly run Incursions? I suspect it isn't often, but why? The payout is flat 50% more and surely the big coalitions have the organization and numbers to regularly field solid incursion fleets?
Deep within their territories, the coalitions would have good intel on any fleets moving in and a few cloakies wouldn't stand a chance vs a competent incursion fleet. The only danger is being dropped or bridged on as the fleet lands on incursion accel gates, but the dropping fleet itself will be in danger in middle of hostile space.
So, what's wrong with incursions in nullsec? |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2263
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Posted - 2015.03.19 07:37:35 -
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People don't run them often. They make a fortune from null in anoms and combat sites. Check my sig.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Sophie Mahler
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.19 08:28:58 -
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now I'm a newbie so my experience is zero
but what I gather, from playing this game for a few weeks now, is that it's not "where you are", or not eve "what you do", but rather, who you do it with?
I do see people having fun as much as I do see people complaining
such as life, there are always fun things as well as less good things happening, and for the most part, whether you're happy or not is a matter of perspective (glas half full)
So maybe my post doesn't contribute to the discussion at hand in this particular topic
but are there really no things to be enjoyed in this game? (I don't believe so)
PS: that picture posted a few posts above is hilarious, I love it
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xDenYx
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:01:28 -
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Moved to nullsec last week and loving it so far. Participated in my first kill, had my first real fleet op and started making decent money.
My indie alt became useful as well as now it makes more sense to build your own stuff rather than running missions and buying things from Jita. It provides sense of accomplishment when you fly in a ship you build yourself. And with a null ore overhaul it's much easier.
Finally, I do feel like I finally own a place. Not to myself ofc, but rather share it with my alliance. This makes me want to make it better by contributing. Hisec is more single-player rpg in that sense imho. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
472
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:09:34 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:People don't run them often. They make a fortune from null in anoms and combat sites. Check my sig.
they dont make that much, 90mil an hour in a carrier isnt great compared to highsec incursions
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
889
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:39:39 -
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xDenYx wrote:Moved to nullsec last week and loving it so far. Participated in my first kill, had my first real fleet op and started making decent money.
My indie alt became useful as well as now it makes more sense to build your own stuff rather than running missions and buying things from Jita. It provides sense of accomplishment when you fly in a ship you build yourself. And with a null ore overhaul it's much easier.
Finally, I do feel like I finally own a place. Not to myself ofc, but rather share it with my alliance. This makes me want to make it better by contributing. Hisec is more single-player rpg in that sense imho.
In effect this is why you go to 0.0 you get to play multiple aspects of the game. Carving out your own space and using is great fun and gives you a feeling of achievement, my most fun period in game was holding three systems in Querious as Pirate Nation, really had so much fun with a great bunch of lads.
The period I made the most ISK was the time I spent in IRC in Cobalt Edge we had a system off the pipe and I was carrier ratting anoms like mad, I made billions, it was so easy to do it was silly, no running around systems to the next boring mission, just warp to the next anom blap hour after hour, and that part you can do solo if you have enough accounts, or intel channels that work. And the odd excietement when some person would come to your system then it was re-ship and blap, or go join one of the Home Defence fleet if it was not lead by an idiot.
CTA's can be great as long as you are not lead by idiots, the downside is that you meet up with a lot of people with ego's and agenda's, and some of them just love being in that position so they can rub up their superiority, it gets wearing when they don't have a clue.
Hisec do have alliances and groups that work together, however they tend to be small because of war decs...
Ella's Snack bar
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Talurion
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
4
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Posted - 2015.05.01 15:26:41 -
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EvE it's all about meta,, politic, lama-drama and collecting tears and 0.0 is the beast place for it.
It is now pl/n3, not PL/N3 (sacrificed all their caps)
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
889
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Posted - 2015.05.01 15:38:30 -
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Remove
Ella's Snack bar
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
100
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Posted - 2015.05.01 15:42:55 -
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In short, its not what you know, or what you can do, its who you know. |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:43:25 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:With the upcoming sov changes I was thinking about null as a home ... but I still can't see the benefits to actually live in nullsec. Logistics, market access, defending sov, required highsec alts, ... all too strong negative points IMO.
For those of you having their main place of residence in null, please tell what were your reasons to move and stay?
NPC SOV FTW. Syndicate has easy logistics (single jump from null to a lowsec system next to a highsec system.) The markets aren't great but trade hubs are a short inty trip away. No SOV to defend. No need to highsec alts due to those short inty trips. All stations are dockable, so it's possible to stash ships all over the region. Unlike Outer Ring, there are plenty of stations. ISK opportunities are enough to sustain fun small-gang PvP. There are no gate/station guns or sec status to worry about - you can engage whomever you wish (or can), and pod all day long and retain 5.0 sec status. And you know exactly who is, and who is not, a friend; Not Purple? Shoot It.
There is the added complexity of warp disruption bubbles, but that can be made to work for you as much as it works against you.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
337
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Posted - 2015.05.02 05:56:35 -
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Eli Stan wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:With the upcoming sov changes I was thinking about null as a home ... but I still can't see the benefits to actually live in nullsec. Logistics, market access, defending sov, required highsec alts, ... all too strong negative points IMO.
For those of you having their main place of residence in null, please tell what were your reasons to move and stay? NPC SOV FTW. Syndicate has easy logistics (single jump from null to a lowsec system next to a highsec system.) The markets aren't great but trade hubs are a short inty trip away. No SOV to defend. No need to highsec alts due to those short inty trips. All stations are dockable, so it's possible to stash ships all over the region. Unlike Outer Ring, there are plenty of stations. ISK opportunities are enough to sustain fun small-gang PvP. There are no gate/station guns or sec status to worry about - you can engage whomever you wish (or can), and pod all day long and retain 5.0 sec status. And you know exactly who is, and who is not, a friend; Not Purple? Shoot It. There is the added complexity of warp disruption bubbles, but that can be made to work for you as much as it works against you. Syndicate is'nt a good example for living in nullsec because it's NPC and easy to get in and out. There is no reason IMO to commit to this space instead of just living out of a highsec trade hub and roam / clone jump there whenever you like.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1621
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Posted - 2015.05.02 13:33:05 -
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sabre906 wrote:Mithandra wrote:Gypsien Agittain wrote:Those of you that think that a regular line-member of an alliance makes more money in nullsec than an average highsec carebear know absolutely nothing about wealth generation in EVE.
And that's not a problem with the available wealth in 0.0, that's a problem with how its distributed and that's down to how corporations and alliances are run, and THAT is down to the players, not CCP. That's like saying how the Soviet Union ran is down to its citizens instead of comrade Stalin. Well... When you get older you will see that this is how things go in the World of people.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Bogdo Lama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.05.02 16:05:48 -
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Maksim Cammeren wrote:Arronicus wrote:
Highsec incursions in decent groups like ISN can pull 100m/hour reliably, with lower risk than similarly paying nullsec activities. As a very long time nullsec resident, the income is nowhere remotely close to 10x more. The only activity that is really safer in null than high is mining.
As someone who earned most of my ISK that way, I think high-sec Incursions are too good of a money maker. And I do see nullsec alts flying in Incursions all the time, complaining it is better than normal nullsec income. Which makes me wonder: do nullsec corps regularly run Incursions? I suspect it isn't often, but why? The payout is flat 50% more and surely the big coalitions have the organization and numbers to regularly field solid incursion fleets? Deep within their territories, the coalitions would have good intel on any fleets moving in and a few cloakies wouldn't stand a chance vs a competent incursion fleet. The only danger is being dropped or bridged on as the fleet lands on incursion accel gates, but the dropping fleet itself will be in danger in middle of hostile space. So, what's wrong with incursions in nullsec? Edit: are the 150m/hr sites not worth the trouble?
Why bother. You can do that 150mil/hr easy soloing anoms. However problem with making isk null will be sov changes and no local etc. I for example allready moved out of sov space for these reasons. |
Vector Symian
0 Fear
1130
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Posted - 2015.05.03 02:00:58 -
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Garnoo wrote:nullsec = social game, hisec = still mostly single player
As glorious leader of the Highsec War effort I refute you most soundly good sir
we have plenty going on and it is vastly more entertaining...scope chat is awesome and we just shoot stuff for fun
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Gerhard Stringfellow
Fisherbody Trading Company
20
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Posted - 2015.05.03 12:29:32 -
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Null-sec is more mixed and really dependent on who you join. One experience was lame, it was basically, "Here's a supercap, now go play DoTA until you can fly it". I can see why an experience like that might turn you off to the idea.
Other organizations have completely different cultures, and even if you're not on the decision making level, just being able to see how space is being affected, actually being affected by the politics that make eve famous, and taking part in the big battles (despite the frustrations that come with that) make it fun.
Plus, the isk is better, and honestly blue space is safer; I can't stress that enough to new players who think that going into null-sec is like walking into the hood. It's better than hi-sec, for many of you it will be safer, and you won't feel like you're grinding yourself to death (at least as much).
Another pubbie elite PvE pay to win mining carebear
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