On grid won't be the solution to this non-problem.

It will need to be range limited.

Grid foo will allow links ships to be on grid but well out of reach of the opposing ships/fleet. Not for every engagement obviously, but for anything important or any engagement where there is time to setup (and people will still complain).

On grid will be a HUGE betterment to now since you could easily see not only that there is a booster but which booster. Put it on KB's aswell and personally i could live with that. It would make a terribble mechanic a lot less terrible and a lot easier to live with.

Not everybody is willing or able to run a booster. Forcing people to run a second account to compete in small scale or solo pvp is a huge turn off.

It is easy to live with already.

But just, on grid, will not stop the moaning and groaning, because some people will still self-limit themselves and then complain to CCP that it needs to be fixed.

What may be acceptable to one person, won't be acceptable to someone else. The only change will be who is doing the crying, instead of dealing with it.

What feels fantastic is that you are able to enjoy solo and small gang pvp without a huge built-in disadvantage. Wouldn't it be great if everybody could jump into pvp and enjoy pvp the same way as you do now?

If everbody had a booster -as you and others suggest it should be- it might feel a little less fantastic too since your advantage at the expense of non link users will be completely diminished. The only difference to pvp without a booster will be the annoying side effects of carrying around a t3. When flying a "solo" frig everybody will just be forced to stare on a second monitor and roams will be reduced to cruiser warp speed. You and others have to understand that using links is a zero sum game: you only gain something at the expense of others and when everybody uses them all what remains is sillyness and artifically pushed up local.

It's short term goals vs long terms goals really. Shortly it may feel great to have a (ego) booster but in the long run it hurts the game itself. EVE might win some alt accounts but it loses real active players about this and most importantly: LESS NEW PLAYERS WILL START PLAYING EVE WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT LINKS! Sorry for the caps but you guys need to get that already. It's bad for the game!

At least I have to admit that I did buy a booster alt at some point just to try it and i hated it. Kiting became ridiculously easy and when I killed a guy who is generally a better than me and flew pefectly timed slingshots against me but still coudln't catch me I turned off in disgust and put my booster alt on the char bazaar the same evening.

Solo player, one account, stands little to no chance. It's not a matter of energy or $$, we simply should not need more than one account to compete.

Whatever. Adapt or die, right? Well, I can't compete but I can run and hide with the best of 'em! So I do, even gave myself an award for it. Check my decorations.

Cry some more.

If you can't compete because of an enemy command ship booster, then bring more people, or bite the bullet and boost your fleet as well. What are you going to complain about next, blobs? Cynos? Titan bridges?

[quote=Scipio Artelius][quote=Lictas Alice]But in my experience , its usually people in faction ships/full set of implants/ with backup/ with links at a 100% safe place( generally FW zones).

You don't understand the problem. Ogb hurts solo and small gang pvp mostly. The larger the fleet the less of an issue ogb is. If you want to comment further do some research on the topic before steretypically labeling any critcism beyond your understanding and ingame experience as whining.

Dealing with it like getting a booster alt or stop flying solo?

You need to understand that the vast majority of the critics of ogb are not notorious whiners.

They see ogb as the bad mechanic it is and that reality won't change no matter how often you claim the problem is non existant -disregarding the arguments and concerns of your fellow eve players.

I hope that CCP will be less ignorant in that regard and finally give us something before brain in a box is ready. Make them turn up on KB's. Something little. Just a little concession that non-link users concerns are relevant to CCP as they should be since these are the concerns of paying customers which basically have been ignored for years.

Ogb hurts solo and small gang pvp mostly. The larger the fleet the less of an issue ogb is. If you want to comment further do some research on the topic before steretypically labeling any critcism beyond your understanding and ingame experience as whining.

Therefore boost away. Both sides can. However have the boosting vessels ON grid to allow direct engagement. Is there a reason why being ON grid is so bad?

The thing is, EVE is a multiplayer game, you are playing solo.

Multi-PLAYER, not one guy running 4 accounts on 2 screens so he can tell himself he's a solo god.

Honestly putting links on killmails would be sufficient to discourage the ego boosters.

But folk need to stop confusing the game of alts with "multiplayer." It's more about how much real world money I'm willing to spend to be "elite." In this context a "pay to kill" button makes just as much sense.

Links scale with fleet size as everyone in the squad/wing/fleet receives the relevant benefit. The larger the fleet, the greater the benefit. Not the reverse.

OGB help small gangs and single combat ships, not hurt them. They allow them to engage a wider variety of targets and get more fights than they would otherwise be able to engage in.

But of course, you don't mean links hurt solo and small gang pvp. You just mean they hurt those that don't have links, which is BS.

Until a suitable fix can come along, surely they can adjust things currently.

Like make Links-in-use increase sig radius (easier probing)
Can't activate within Xkm of POS
And more importantly, links create aggression timer when activated (can't dock or jump gate until turned off) See this all the time in lowsec. Links hugging stations and gates. Such a cancer.