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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
840
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Posted - 2015.03.18 02:32:36 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: That's the hilarious part. Let's say we do one day grow tired of dealing with Trollceptors if they aren't prevented somehow. Let's say we just decide to say screw it, drop Deklein, Tenal, Fountain, etc., and go hole up in Syndicate, Venal, randomlowsecwhatever. You now have thousands of bitter, disillusioned refugees, with trillions of ISK to burn, and nothing better to do than roll around all of nullsec in Trollceptors.
Trust me, it's not the CFC who will ultimately suffer under this ridiculous system. It doesn't do away with n+1. It just makes the numbers game even more skewed in our favor than it already is. It's okay though. Keep believing that this is a good idea.
So... you won't have been able to hold sov, so you drop sov then you troll sov, making sure that folks who hold sov actually defend their sov?
Sounds like a good deal to me.
And, if you think this doesn't do away with N+1, you don't understand the concept at all. Having 1000 Trollceptors with zero tank and no rep capability on the same field as 500 guys in Gilas / Eagles / Tengus / whatever the FOTM anti-frig fit is and you'll see that it's no longer about pure numbers alone.
But hey, go ahead and keep believing that anyone who is actually interested in keeping their sov and has half a brain is in any way deterred by the idea of hordes of 100mil+ isk killmails being delivered to their doorstep on a daily basis.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
940
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Posted - 2015.03.18 02:54:24 -
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Veskrashen wrote: So... you won't have been able to hold sov, so you drop sov then you troll sov, making sure that folks who hold sov actually defend their sov?
Sounds like a good deal to me.
And, if you think this doesn't do away with N+1, you don't understand the concept at all. Having 1000 Trollceptors with zero tank and no rep capability on the same field as 500 guys in Gilas / Eagles / Tengus / whatever the FOTM anti-frig fit is and you'll see that it's no longer about pure numbers alone.
But hey, go ahead and keep believing that anyone who is actually interested in keeping their sov and has half a brain is in any way deterred by the idea of hordes of 100mil+ isk killmails being delivered to their doorstep on a daily basis.
Like I said, just keep on believing. Never stop. I honestly hope you're right. I firmly believe that it's a terrible idea and that in due time, you'll be shown why. The only way anyone could possibly believe that this isn't a prime example of poor foresight, is if they are someone who believes that "anything is better than what we have now". We've seen where that line of thinking went before. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
840
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Posted - 2015.03.18 03:00:30 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Veskrashen wrote: So... you won't have been able to hold sov, so you drop sov then you troll sov, making sure that folks who hold sov actually defend their sov?
Sounds like a good deal to me.
And, if you think this doesn't do away with N+1, you don't understand the concept at all. Having 1000 Trollceptors with zero tank and no rep capability on the same field as 500 guys in Gilas / Eagles / Tengus / whatever the FOTM anti-frig fit is and you'll see that it's no longer about pure numbers alone.
But hey, go ahead and keep believing that anyone who is actually interested in keeping their sov and has half a brain is in any way deterred by the idea of hordes of 100mil+ isk killmails being delivered to their doorstep on a daily basis.
Like I said, just keep on believing. Never stop. I honestly hope you're right. I firmly believe that it's a terrible idea and that in due time, you'll be shown why. The only way anyone could possibly believe that this isn't a prime example of poor foresight, is if they are someone who believes that "anything is better than what we have now". We've seen where that line of thinking went before. And I firmly believe that anyone with half a brain are more than able to murder tankless Interceptors that can't warp for 2-5 minutes at a time. Anyone who continues to believe that somehow Trollceptors are a serious threat to sov or will accomplish anything at all against someone who is actively defending their sov is beyond me.
But hey, we're taught to think and act independently in FW. I know ya'll do things differently out there in nullbear land...
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6657
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Posted - 2015.03.18 03:08:36 -
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Veskrashen wrote:And, if you think this doesn't do away with N+1, you don't understand the concept at all. Having 1000 Trollceptors with zero tank and no rep capability on the same field as 500 guys in Gilas / Eagles / Tengus / whatever the FOTM anti-frig fit is and you'll see that it's no longer about pure numbers alone. Stawmannnnnnn
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
840
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Posted - 2015.03.18 03:14:01 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Stawmannnnnnn You mean like150+ pages of TROLLLCEPPPTOOOOOR in 2 different threads and a TMC post?
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
940
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Posted - 2015.03.18 03:19:20 -
[2076] - Quote
Veskrashen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Stawmannnnnnn You mean like150+ pages of TROLLLCEPPPTOOOOOR in 2 different threads and a TMC post? To be fair, I pointed them out, primarily because they have been the "omgwtf" thought since this whole idea came to light. I don't actually believe that they will be the threat that they are made out to be. Not because they aren't annoying (they will be, if actually used properly), but because there is a certain class of broken ship right now that could prove far more useful at this kind of role than a trollceptor. Granted, it's facing a few minor nerfs of it's own in the coming patch, but nothing that will prevent it from being used in a very similar manner. No, I am not talking about the damned Ishtar, for once. |
Miner Hottie
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2015.03.18 03:21:42 -
[2077] - Quote
Veskrashen wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: That's the hilarious part. Let's say we do one day grow tired of dealing with Trollceptors if they aren't prevented somehow. Let's say we just decide to say screw it, drop Deklein, Tenal, Fountain, etc., and go hole up in Syndicate, Venal, randomlowsecwhatever. You now have thousands of bitter, disillusioned refugees, with trillions of ISK to burn, and nothing better to do than roll around all of nullsec in Trollceptors.
Trust me, it's not the CFC who will ultimately suffer under this ridiculous system. It doesn't do away with n+1. It just makes the numbers game even more skewed in our favor than it already is. It's okay though. Keep believing that this is a good idea.
So... you won't have been able to hold sov, so you drop sov then you troll sov, making sure that folks who hold sov actually defend their sov? Sounds like a good deal to me. And, if you think this doesn't do away with N+1, you don't understand the concept at all. Having 1000 Trollceptors with zero tank and no rep capability on the same field as 500 guys in Gilas / Eagles / Tengus / whatever the FOTM anti-frig fit is and you'll see that it's no longer about pure numbers alone. But hey, go ahead and keep believing that anyone who is actually interested in keeping their sov and has half a brain is in any way deterred by the idea of hordes of 100mil+ isk killmails being delivered to their doorstep on a daily basis.
I said it before, your views are too narrow. Under fozziesov we can burn all of nullsec and we will if the system is too skewed to attack which it is. If some one turtles up and defies us we wil just apply more force until they crumble.
It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
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Wanda Fayne
Gurlz with Gunz
60
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Posted - 2015.03.18 03:27:46 -
[2078] - Quote
Miner Hottie wrote: I don't think you understand what I am saying, the broken mechanism is the link itself via making sov attakcs essentially commitment free, especially once you get beyond the 1 v 1 sov fights. Currently sov fights tend to be a series of fights over each system at different times until someones will breaks and then it's a sov grind.
Under fozziesov that goes away. We goons can attack sov accross a region in one go. Fleets of us burning null sec down. It will be glorious and we will feast on tears no matter how boring and bad the actual gameplay is.
Have you ever seen a forest after a fire burns it to the ground? It is blacken'ed and charred like a nuke went off. And then, like magic, new vibrant growth. None of those grow in the old forest, the trees have long since eliminated everything else that competes.
Sometimes you just gotta let it all burn.
edit. bees much prefer the regrowth anyway:) |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
841
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Posted - 2015.03.18 03:28:37 -
[2079] - Quote
Miner Hottie wrote:I said it before, your views are too narrow. Under fozziesov we can burn all of nullsec and we will if the system is too skewed to attack which it is. If some one turtles up and defies us we wil just apply more force until they crumble. And like I've said before, no Trollceptor will ever make a single structure vulnerable in any space actively occupied by an appropriately sized competent group. You will not burn a single thing that's defended.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Miner Hottie
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2015.03.18 04:09:17 -
[2080] - Quote
Wanda Fayne wrote:Miner Hottie wrote: I don't think you understand what I am saying, the broken mechanism is the link itself via making sov attakcs essentially commitment free, especially once you get beyond the 1 v 1 sov fights. Currently sov fights tend to be a series of fights over each system at different times until someones will breaks and then it's a sov grind.
Under fozziesov that goes away. We goons can attack sov accross a region in one go. Fleets of us burning null sec down. It will be glorious and we will feast on tears no matter how boring and bad the actual gameplay is.
Have you ever seen a forest after a fire burns it to the ground? It is blacken'ed and charred like a nuke went off. And then, like magic, new vibrant growth.None of those grow in the old forest, the trees have long since eliminated everything else that competes. Sometimes you just gotta let it all burn. edit. bees much prefer the regrowth anyway:)
As a proud member of the AUTZ I live bushfires every year and it can take a decade for the bush to properly recover and that is Australian eucalyptus which is adapted to being burnt.
It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
841
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Posted - 2015.03.18 04:14:25 -
[2081] - Quote
Miner Hottie wrote:As a proud member of the AUTZ I live bushfires every year and it can take a decade for the bush to properly recover and that is Australian eucalyptus which is adapted to being burnt. Fortunately a few short months after Phase 2 sets null on fire and burns it to the ground, and a hundred little groups plant their flag in the now worthless space, Phase 3 drops and makes all the work of holding Fozziesov worth it again - and the wars begin anew.
It's almost like CCP's new 6 week development cycle allows them to rapidly roll out new systems and mechanics and thereby keep things from stagnating like they did in the past.
Who'da thunk it?
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Miner Hottie
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2015.03.18 04:25:26 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:As a proud member of the AUTZ I live bushfires every year and it can take a decade for the bush to properly recover and that is Australian eucalyptus which is adapted to being burnt. Fortunately a few short months after Phase 2 sets null on fire and burns it to the ground, and a hundred little groups plant their flag in the now worthless space, Phase 3 drops and makes all the work of holding Fozziesov worth it again - and the wars begin anew. It's almost like CCP's new 6 week development cycle allows them to rapidly roll out new systems and mechanics and thereby keep things from stagnating like they did in the past. Who'da thunk it?
No you *****, I am saying using forest fires as an analogy is really bad.
It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
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Wanda Fayne
Gurlz with Gunz
60
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Posted - 2015.03.18 04:50:25 -
[2083] - Quote
Miner Hottie wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:As a proud member of the AUTZ I live bushfires every year and it can take a decade for the bush to properly recover and that is Australian eucalyptus which is adapted to being burnt. Fortunately a few short months after Phase 2 sets null on fire and burns it to the ground, and a hundred little groups plant their flag in the now worthless space, Phase 3 drops and makes all the work of holding Fozziesov worth it again - and the wars begin anew. It's almost like CCP's new 6 week development cycle allows them to rapidly roll out new systems and mechanics and thereby keep things from stagnating like they did in the past. Who'da thunk it? No you *****, I am saying using forest fires as an analogy is really bad.
It's bad if you are the lumber company, I suppose.
Otherwise it is necessary for the health of an ecosystem. I think the analogy is applicable to Eve. And CCP seems determined to give everyone a torch. |
Miner Hottie
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2015.03.18 05:04:38 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:I said it before, your views are too narrow. Under fozziesov we can burn all of nullsec and we will if the system is too skewed to attack which it is. If some one turtles up and defies us we wil just apply more force until they crumble. And like I've said before, no Trollceptor will ever make a single structure vulnerable in any space actively occupied by an appropriately sized competent group. You will not burn a single thing that's defended.
Competence, will, skill and ability melts in the face of your bubble wrapped station and pos, with 150 domis standing ready to blap you.
Nulli couldn't stop us deadzoning their staging system. What makes you think you or anyone else will do better? Troll ceptors will roll most sov, the leftovers will be given the above treatment. It might not happen straight away, but 3000 odd null sec systems to burn do take a little bit of time.
You have to get out of this narrow, simplistic 1 v 1 or general small gang epeen polishing warfare exercise and think big. See the possibilities; fozziesov is like pouring petrol over all of new enden and handing everyone, including the neighbourhood gang of sociopaths a box of matches and then expecting everyone to just light small fire's to keep them warm. Some us just want to see the world burn and who cares who gets hurt.
It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
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Wanda Fayne
Gurlz with Gunz
60
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Posted - 2015.03.18 05:13:54 -
[2085] - Quote
Miner Hottie wrote: You have to get out of this narrow, simplistic 1 v 1 or general small gang epeen polishing warfare exercise and think big. See the possibilities; fozziesov is like pouring petrol over all of new enden and handing everyone, including the neighbourhood gang of sociopaths a box of matches and then expecting everyone to just light small fire's to keep them warm. Some us just want to see the world burn and who cares who gets hurt.
I'll bring the marshmallows (and an entosis laser)
Don't build what you can't afford to lose?
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Miner Hottie
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2015.03.18 05:44:06 -
[2086] - Quote
Wanda Fayne wrote:Miner Hottie wrote: You have to get out of this narrow, simplistic 1 v 1 or general small gang epeen polishing warfare exercise and think big. See the possibilities; fozziesov is like pouring petrol over all of new enden and handing everyone, including the neighbourhood gang of sociopaths a box of matches and then expecting everyone to just light small fire's to keep them warm. Some us just want to see the world burn and who cares who gets hurt.
I'll bring the marshmallows (and an entosis laser) Don't build what you can't afford to lose?
Don't hold sov if goons can take it off you.
It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
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Kristian Hackett
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time Solyaris Chtonium
51
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Posted - 2015.03.18 06:22:54 -
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Miner Hottie wrote:I said it before, your views are too narrow. Under fozziesov we can burn all of nullsec and we will if the system is too skewed to attack which it is. If some one turtles up and defies us we wil just apply more force until they crumble. So essentially, what you're saying is that CCP's goals of load balancing the servers here is basically going to go out the window because GSF is going to bring the full brunt of its military might down upon anyone willing to take a stand.
Well, CCP Fozzie, you heard 'em. So much for your hopes of load balancing across the constellation, the mischievous player base is still going to smash your servers to bits. Bring on the TiDi!
Aircraft Maintenance - Using a high school diploma to fix what a college degree just f***ed up.
"Life is too short to drink cheap beer."
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6657
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Posted - 2015.03.18 06:25:07 -
[2088] - Quote
Miner Hottie wrote:Wanda Fayne wrote:Miner Hottie wrote: You have to get out of this narrow, simplistic 1 v 1 or general small gang epeen polishing warfare exercise and think big. See the possibilities; fozziesov is like pouring petrol over all of new enden and handing everyone, including the neighbourhood gang of sociopaths a box of matches and then expecting everyone to just light small fire's to keep them warm. Some us just want to see the world burn and who cares who gets hurt.
I'll bring the marshmallows (and an entosis laser) Don't build what you can't afford to lose? Don't hold sov if goons can take it off you. No wonder why massadeath will be the one to end us
they don't have any sov.
(Or perhaps PL? They hold moons... and no sov so)
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Celesae
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
32
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Posted - 2015.03.18 06:42:59 -
[2089] - Quote
Speedkermit Damo wrote: Personally I no longer bother doing any PvE whatsoever anymore because the experience is so unbearable. I'd rather pay real money and sell a plex every few months to avoid any PvE.
Sounds like CCP's nerfs have things working as intended. Quite honestly, I see a lot of changes as having "trickle-down" effects resulting in that. |
Miner Hottie
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2015.03.18 06:51:47 -
[2090] - Quote
Kristian Hackett wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:I said it before, your views are too narrow. Under fozziesov we can burn all of nullsec and we will if the system is too skewed to attack which it is. If some one turtles up and defies us we wil just apply more force until they crumble. So essentially, what you're saying is that CCP's goals of load balancing the servers here is basically going to go out the window because GSF is going to bring the full brunt of its military might down upon anyone willing to take a stand. Well, CCP Fozzie, you heard 'em. So much for your hopes of load balancing across the constellation, the mischievous player base is still going to smash your servers to bits. Bring on the TiDi!
Let us all have a moments silence for the hamster of CCP
It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
671
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Posted - 2015.03.18 08:43:18 -
[2091] - Quote
Veskrashen wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:I said it before, your views are too narrow. Under fozziesov we can burn all of nullsec and we will if the system is too skewed to attack which it is. If some one turtles up and defies us we wil just apply more force until they crumble. And like I've said before, no Trollceptor will ever make a single structure vulnerable in any space actively occupied by an appropriately sized competent group. You will not burn a single thing that's defended.
I think GSF has too many people too. Phoebe Freeport republic has just the right density, and should be the model for which all nullsec alliances are built on.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
2024
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Posted - 2015.03.18 09:46:13 -
[2092] - Quote
vilya novacat wrote:Overall the new system seems decent. BUT.
Sovereignty (TCU) should be a 24 hour long tug of war constellation wide, with occupancy usage being a force multiplier for the defender.
IHUBs should be at the sun and have a pile of hitpoints for each installed service that are vulnerable on a set 4 hour window, and a dominion style fight-invulnerable24hrwait-fight on the IHUB itself. This would let you choose to kill certain services anytime, or the whole thing in 2 fights.
Stations should have your entosis link thing but limit the fights to just the station's system.
Please no, not fight in the sun. It hurts your eyes to stay too long near those stupid glowing balls.
"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"
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Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution The Initiative.
423
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Posted - 2015.03.18 10:41:07 -
[2093] - Quote
Nasar Vyron wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:Zhul Chembull wrote:Gorski Car wrote:There are so many things you can do to counter trollceptors I cant help but think that this is a vocal minority overreacting and creating doomsday scenarios. Not at all it has been logically explained for all to see. I do not want to chase around nano fleets that can burn through bubbles during my 4 hours. Not fun. On the other hand make them used on any other than an interceptor or covert ops and I'm fine. In other words, nothing that has a chance of getting past the insta-lock gatecamps you guys want to use to lock down your space. What exactly is the problem with that? You want to get into a country you have to get past customs and border patrol first. WHs are your Coyotes, use them! Ceptors and covert cloaks allow players to subvert nearly all defenses but the perfect defense: smart bombing battleships. I get so excited just Imagining 4 hours of sitting on all entry gates smart bombing as a small gang sits around to catch anyone who manged to get past via wormholes. Yes, fun was had by all as we sit tabbed out into another game as mine and other's alts effectively closed off all traffic for 4 hours a day. OR You could make the attacker actually fly something that gave the defender a variety of options to counter and be countered - creating actual content that forced people to put forth effort and planning when handling issues related to SOV.
Erm no,
You blue donut types, don't want to have a variety of options. What you really want is to hermatically seal your rental empires with a few insta-lock gatecamps, while the rest of your pilots are free to own swathes of sov you neither need or use.
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
845
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Posted - 2015.03.18 10:53:17 -
[2094] - Quote
Miner Hottie wrote:Competence, will, skill and ability melts in the face of your bubble wrapped station and pos, with 150 domis standing ready to blap you.
Nulli couldn't stop us deadzoning their staging system. What makes you think you or anyone else will do better? Troll ceptors will roll most sov, the leftovers will be given the above treatment. It might not happen straight away, but 3000 odd null sec systems to burn do take a little bit of time.
You have to get out of this narrow, simplistic 1 v 1 or general small gang epeen polishing warfare exercise and think big. See the possibilities; fozziesov is like pouring petrol over all of new enden and handing everyone, including the neighbourhood gang of sociopaths a box of matches and then expecting everyone to just light small fire's to keep them warm. Some us just want to see the world burn and who cares who gets hurt. So... what you're saying is that if you lock the defenders in their station with a big honking fleet so they can't respond, then Trollceptors are an unstoppable force that will burn all in their path? Huh. Looks like it take someone preventing the defender's response to make them work "properly".
And what's to stop that alliance from just popping out in their own Trollceptors and counter-linking you?
Besides, I think Fozziesov is basically expecting everyone to light the whole world on fire and seeing what comes out of the ashes. Your insistence that everyone else wants to see things nice and stable - and doesn't just want to burn everything down right beside you - is fairly narrow minded IMO.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution The Initiative.
424
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Posted - 2015.03.18 11:36:09 -
[2095] - Quote
Miner Hottie wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: That's the hilarious part. Let's say we do one day grow tired of dealing with Trollceptors if they aren't prevented somehow. Let's say we just decide to say screw it, drop Deklein, Tenal, Fountain, etc., and go hole up in Syndicate, Venal, randomlowsecwhatever. You now have thousands of bitter, disillusioned refugees, with trillions of ISK to burn, and nothing better to do than roll around all of nullsec in Trollceptors.
Trust me, it's not the CFC who will ultimately suffer under this ridiculous system. It doesn't do away with n+1. It just makes the numbers game even more skewed in our favor than it already is. It's okay though. Keep believing that this is a good idea.
So... you won't have been able to hold sov, so you drop sov then you troll sov, making sure that folks who hold sov actually defend their sov? Sounds like a good deal to me. And, if you think this doesn't do away with N+1, you don't understand the concept at all. Having 1000 Trollceptors with zero tank and no rep capability on the same field as 500 guys in Gilas / Eagles / Tengus / whatever the FOTM anti-frig fit is and you'll see that it's no longer about pure numbers alone. But hey, go ahead and keep believing that anyone who is actually interested in keeping their sov and has half a brain is in any way deterred by the idea of hordes of 100mil+ isk killmails being delivered to their doorstep on a daily basis. I said it before, your views are too narrow. Under fozziesov we can burn all of nullsec and we will if the system is too skewed to attack which it is. If some one turtles up and defies us we wil just apply more force until they crumble.
Sounds like a good deal for you then, so why the constant snivelling?
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Miner Hottie
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
113
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Posted - 2015.03.18 11:39:47 -
[2096] - Quote
Veskrashen wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:Competence, will, skill and ability melts in the face of your bubble wrapped station and pos, with 150 domis standing ready to blap you.
Nulli couldn't stop us deadzoning their staging system. What makes you think you or anyone else will do better? Troll ceptors will roll most sov, the leftovers will be given the above treatment. It might not happen straight away, but 3000 odd null sec systems to burn do take a little bit of time.
You have to get out of this narrow, simplistic 1 v 1 or general small gang epeen polishing warfare exercise and think big. See the possibilities; fozziesov is like pouring petrol over all of new enden and handing everyone, including the neighbourhood gang of sociopaths a box of matches and then expecting everyone to just light small fire's to keep them warm. Some us just want to see the world burn and who cares who gets hurt. So... what you're saying is that if you lock the defenders in their station with a big honking fleet so they can't respond, then Trollceptors are an unstoppable force that will burn all in their path? Huh. Looks like it take someone preventing the defender's response to make them work "properly". And what's to stop that alliance from just popping out in their own Trollceptors and counter-linking you? Besides, I think Fozziesov is basically expecting everyone to light the whole world on fire and seeing what comes out of the ashes. Your insistence that everyone else wants to see things nice and stable - and doesn't just want to burn everything down right beside you - is fairly narrow minded IMO.
Err no Fozziesov is a big rainbow melange of pathetic FW rubbish with a side of wh stupid in which little groups gather once a day to fend off the hordes from the gates of their hovel system/constellation before returning to their homes to do wtf ever. What Fozzie wants is tug of wars over sov and little fights to have meaning. Which is pathetic, but hey some people love and excel at snall gang and get prissy when I don't give them no respect so they whine like a dog in heat and we get the abomination we have here. Fozziesov a grab bag of every small gang losers wet dreams rolled into one, fights on demand for them: delayed local so they can more easily polish their epeen ganking ratters and miners and the ability to stick it to the man cause too much ehp makes smallgang loser nash and wail and grind their teeth. So little that elite pvp can do to so mucb ehp. Sad face for them.
But I digress. As for what I said, you again think to small and narrow, its the blinkers from fighting on such a small and little horizon that is by definition small gang warfare.
When we hell camped Nulli we destoyed interdiction nullified tengus and inties. Stack enough remote sebos on a keres piloted by a dude in london with fiber optic and he can tackle an inty.
You just don't seem to get we will be rollling fleets of troll ceptors. One group may resist for a bit, but we will grind them down. Any tactic they can use, we can too and we can put 10 times the number of pilots on a grid if we realky want to ruin someones day.
Dominion sov had an EHP wall that we could not concur, the wall was too high. Remove that and malcannis law still applies and we have a lot of old players to complement our baby bees.
It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.18 12:00:23 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote: Sounds like a good deal for you then, so why the constant snivelling?
It's not so much sniveling. We've been over this, time and again. Even before I was in GSF, I saw the pattern in Eve's history.
Step 1: CCP offers something stupid that Goons can abuse in hilarious ways. Step 2: Goons warn that it's a stupid idea that will ultimately give us a ridiculous advantage. Step 3: "Lol, look at all Goon tears huehuehue." Step 4: CCP implements it anyway. Step 5: Goons abuse the hell out of the new system for a significant advantage. Step 6: Either quick hotfixes or "working as intended". Step 7: Where Eve is today. |
Ereilian
Mythic Inc Gentlemen's.Parlor
75
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Veskrashen wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:As a proud member of the AUTZ I live bushfires every year and it can take a decade for the bush to properly recover and that is Australian eucalyptus which is adapted to being burnt. Fortunately a few short months after Phase 2 sets null on fire and burns it to the ground, and a hundred little groups plant their flag in the now worthless space, Phase 3 drops and makes all the work of holding Fozziesov worth it again - and the wars begin anew. It's almost like CCP's new 6 week development cycle allows them to rapidly roll out new systems and mechanics and thereby keep things from stagnating like they did in the past. Who'da thunk it?
I chuckle when I read your posts. Were you home schooled or something?
Real life gives a perfect example of why your arguements are false. I am the School Bully, you are a weedy first grader and I want your dinner money. For what reason? Because I can and there is damn all you can do about it.
Nothing is going to burn, except maybe Massadeath's pride when he fail to be relevant. The major alliances are as close as you can get to friends despite the ingame hurf derp and they all have too much invested to allow it to burn.
Sure you might see some regions become unstable (Fountain/Delve, P Fall, Catch) but I would put serious money on the major blocks going into turtle mode.
Why am I going to come **** with you? Cause I can and there is nothing you can do about it. TrollSov '15. |
Wanda Fayne
Gurlz with Gunz
62
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:00:12 -
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Miner Hottie wrote: [stuff]
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so, basically
1. FW rubbish 2. WH stupid 3. Small gang warfare losers, pathetic 4. Ganking for epeen 5. we can tackle inties 6. blobs of pilots, we win 7. EHP wall is good
Did I miss anything? I would have expected a jab at hisec carebears, too... |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:39:00 -
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Ereilian wrote:Nothing is going to burn, except maybe Massadeath's pride when he fail to be relevant. The major alliances are as close as you can get to friends despite the ingame hurf derp and they all have too much invested to allow it to burn.
Sure you might see some regions become unstable (Fountain/Delve, P Fall, Catch) but I would put serious money on the major blocks going into turtle mode.
Why am I going to come **** with you? Cause I can and there is nothing you can do about it. TrollSov '15. I'm betting there's a large segment of the EVE population that has an interest in burning the current stagnant null to the ground, but have been unable to make an impact due to EHP Walls of Doom. Those are the folks you need to worry about, not your breast buddies in B0TLRD that are too gutless to take on big challenges.
We know that the big blocs have no interest in fighting to destabilizing the status quo. That's why we're happy that a Fozziesov system that allows us to screw with your space is coming, that negates the need to be in a big bloc in order to impact the holdings of a big bloc.
Troll away. I'm certain that there are plenty of folks who are looking to troll you in return.
In fact, for Gevlon and his crusade, this seems like a golden opportunity. Offer RF bounties to folks who RF structures in Ebil CFC space, and bigger bounties to those who cause iHubs / TCUs to go boom. Seems like low barrier of entry + built up resentment + isk rewards could cause just as much havoc if not more than paying Marmites.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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