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thatonepersone
Son's of Plunder The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:05:31 -
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Put a 60s weapons timer on people who go suspect. People shouldn't be able to scoop somebody's loot and then dock up with zero risk. |
Anhenka
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
1208
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:10:07 -
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Marmite tears about station games.
Ironically delicious.
Did someone scoop the loot from a ship you killed while camping the undock and dock?
I feel so bad for you. |
Paranoid Loyd
4079
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:11:34 -
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Anhenka wrote:Marmite tears about station games.
Ironically delicious. My sentiments exactly.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:18:53 -
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thatonepersone wrote:Put a 60s weapons timer on people who go suspect. People shouldn't be able to scoop somebody's loot and then dock up with zero risk. Or, you could actually, you know, stop camping undocks, then you wouldn't have to worry about this happening to you. Personally, I think it's hilarious that you're crying about this.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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thatonepersone
Son's of Plunder The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:00:29 -
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I have been thinking about posting this since before I joined marmite, and I have only just recently joined. I have actually never lost any valuable loot myself this way, I just think it's dumb that there is 0 risk for them stealing stuff. I'm guessing you guys aren't going to take this seriously though because you don't like marmite. |
Anhenka
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:19:20 -
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thatonepersone wrote:I have been thinking about posting this since before I joined marmite, and I have only just recently joined. I have actually never lost any valuable loot myself this way, I just think it's dumb that there is 0 risk for them stealing stuff. I'm guessing you guys aren't going to take this seriously though because you don't like marmite.
It's not really about Marmite in particular, you guys are just the most visible symptom.
It's mostly that highsec station camping is considered by most to be the absolute laziest, easiest to do, risk avoiding, third party using, least skill requiring form of PvP possible.
Basically the pond scum of the PvP world.
So when a station camper whines that someone stole his loot, it's really hard to muster up the ability to give a ****. |
thatonepersone
Son's of Plunder The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.09 23:04:42 -
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Ok, well try not to think about the station campers for a minute then. Think about the 2 guys dueling on the undock. Just two people brawling in t1 cruisers, no links or neutral reps, just as fair as it can get. One of the guys wins with just %5 structure. Then some guy undocks in a badger, loots the wreck and docks back up before anybody can do anything. Thats the kind of people i want you to think about when you consider this. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
857
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Posted - 2015.03.09 23:09:25 -
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thatonepersone wrote:Ok, well try not to think about the station campers for a minute then. Think about the 2 guys dueling on the undock. Just two people brawling in t1 cruisers, no links or neutral reps, just as fair as it can get. One of the guys wins with just %5 structure. Then some guy undocks in a badger, loots the wreck and docks back up before anybody can do anything. Thats the kind of people i want you to think about when you consider this.
... he beat you to it
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3?
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Anhenka
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2015.03.09 23:10:01 -
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thatonepersone wrote:Ok, well try not to think about the station campers for a minute then. Think about the 2 guys dueling on the undock. Just two people brawling in t1 cruisers, no links or neutral reps, just as fair as it can get. One of the guys wins with just %5 structure. Then some guy undocks in a badger, loots the wreck and docks back up before anybody can do anything. Thats the kind of people i want you to think about when you consider this.
Or I could consider the far more likely situation of station campers and people who want to alpha suicide gank industrials off the undock.
I give as much weight to your demands for weapon timers on people who loot your wrecks as I give the demands of mission runners who call for not letting anyone loot or ninja salvage their wrecks, or the highsec carebears who demand that they be exempt from wardecs or that wardecs be made 1 Bil isk base fees, or miners who demand suspect timers for bumpers.
Suck it up and deal with it. |
Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
1480
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Posted - 2015.03.10 01:36:06 -
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thatonepersone wrote:Ok, well try not to think about the station campers for a minute then. Think about the 2 guys dueling on the undock. Just two people brawling in t1 cruisers, no links or neutral reps, just as fair as it can get. One of the guys wins with just %5 structure. Then some guy undocks in a badger, loots the wreck and docks back up before anybody can do anything. Thats the kind of people i want you to think about when you consider this. Finish the fight with the loot overview open
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
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thatonepersone
Son's of Plunder The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:28:20 -
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Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot? |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:34:24 -
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thatonepersone wrote:Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot? The only problem is that you seem to be losing the game, in respect to looting. If they manage to gain the items before you, then yes that means you've lost.
While I have no issue whatsoever with what path anyone takes, or style they decide to play in the game. I do find it ironic when the run to the forums and whine, when they lose at their preferred choice.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:43:08 -
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So, the OP wants people to get a weapons timer for an action involving the use of no weapons?
What's next? Jump fatigue when not jumping? Or random booster side-effects without using boosters?
Do I need to explain to you why all of these are horrible ideas?
Learn to scoop yer loot and you won't have this problem.
tl;dr: HTFU.
EDIT: And I say this having recently flown with the OP on a POS Busting mission.
My Many Misadventures
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I seek to create content, not become content.
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Zura Namee
The Milkmen
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:43:24 -
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thatonepersone wrote:Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot?
It's not actually a problem, you're just whining because you're too slow to get your own loot. If you want your precious loot to be safe, move off the damn undock a bit. Or you know, pvp somewhere else entirely. |
thatonepersone
Son's of Plunder The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:45:26 -
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Mag's wrote:thatonepersone wrote:Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot? The only problem is that you seem to be losing the game, in respect to looting. If they manage to gain the items before you, then yes that means you've lost. While I have no issue whatsoever with what path anyone takes, or style they decide to play in the game. I do find it ironic when the run to the forums and whine, when they lose at their preferred choice.
thatonepersone wrote:-áI have actually never lost any valuable loot myself this way, I just think it's dumb that there is 0 risk for them stealing stuff.
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:52:23 -
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thatonepersone wrote:Mag's wrote:thatonepersone wrote:Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot? The only problem is that you seem to be losing the game, in respect to looting. If they manage to gain the items before you, then yes that means you've lost. While I have no issue whatsoever with what path anyone takes, or style they decide to play in the game. I do find it ironic when the run to the forums and whine, when they lose at their preferred choice. thatonepersone wrote:-áI have actually never lost any valuable loot myself this way, I just think it's dumb that there is 0 risk for them stealing stuff. I read it and ignored it. Why? Because here you are whining about it. It's your problem therefore you're affected by it.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:52:50 -
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So that neutral repping nestor parked in the middle of the station isn't a problem? Or the bands of logi cruisers that rep a station baiter that actually bit off more than he could chew aren't problems? As soon as you think about aggressing a neutral rep on a station they already know they can dock anytime they want. So they take a couple hits while in shields, then dock up to prevent dmg, then undock again with full shields and keep on going.
Not sure if there should really be a timer just for going suspect but there should definitely be an inheritance of a weapons timer for repping someone with a weapons timer.
The only situation I can think of for being suspect having a timer is keeping the station baiters from undocking in something shiney and tanky, getting shot at, then either re-docking immediately or once they have a soft enough target they use their Orca or Bowhead to immediately change to a high dps facemelt Vindicator and demolish the poor sap that was until 2 seconds ago engaging a regular Omen. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:52:50 -
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Zura Namee wrote:thatonepersone wrote:Right, so it seems most of you guys acknowledge that there is a problem, but just just don't want it fixed. I'm guessing it's because you like people taking station campers loot? It's not actually a problem, you're just whining because you're too slow to get your own loot. If you want your precious loot to be safe, move off the damn undock a bit. Or you know, pvp somewhere else entirely.
Camping undock and gates in wardecs is playing the laws of average. Nowhere else you have better chance of finding targets. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
735
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:56:04 -
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I see no reason for this proposal. The loss of loot in this context is a natural and very minor consequence of that most pointless of activities, station games.
Not supported.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
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Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:28:23 -
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thatonepersone wrote: 0 risk
thatonepersone wrote:zero risk. The risk is that you might shoot them.
If you choose to. |
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
1661
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Posted - 2015.03.10 19:01:36 -
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The problem is you're on top of the station. Move away from the station, problem solved. |
thatonepersone
Son's of Plunder The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:23:04 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:thatonepersone wrote: 0 risk thatonepersone wrote:zero risk. The risk is that you might shoot them. If you choose to.
The problem is that you can't shoot them because they can just dock up as soon as they scoop the loot.
So far nobody has given a reason why it's a bad idea other than "htfu" and "I don't like being station camped". |
Anhenka
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:38:46 -
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thatonepersone wrote:Arla Sarain wrote:thatonepersone wrote: 0 risk thatonepersone wrote:zero risk. The risk is that you might shoot them. If you choose to. The problem is that you can't shoot them because they can just dock up as soon as they scoop the loot. So far nobody has given a reason why it's a bad idea other than "htfu" and "I don't like being station camped".
Nobody has yet given a reason why it's a good idea either. |
thatonepersone
Son's of Plunder The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:53:53 -
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It's a good idea because you shouldn't be able to loot other people's wrecks risk free. That is why ccp made it so you can't hit the warp button and then loot a wreck. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:58:37 -
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thatonepersone wrote:That is why ccp made it so you can't hit the warp button and then loot a wreck. Sure you can, you just have to have the wreck open before you initiate warp. You can wait till the last tick to scoop it.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Valkin Mordirc
735
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:01:26 -
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thatonepersone wrote:It's a good idea because you shouldn't be able to loot other people's wrecks risk free. That is why ccp made it so you can't hit the warp button and then loot a wreck.
It isn't the issue. Yes people can steal loot. Is it annoying. Sure. Is it a problem. No. People all ready go suspect. That should be enough, they are not causing aggression so the suspect timer is fair.
Zero Risk although it's not. In Deadly Fingertips, (Who are pretty heavy on trade hubs) Will bump people away, Or draw the fight away from station. So looters can't get it to as easily.
You can also gate camp, or move to a trade hub other then Jita. Dodixie has a rather small docking ring so looters are not much of an issue. Amarr as well. *shrugs*
Regarless, Weapon timers are for aggression.
#DeleteTheWeak
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thatonepersone
Son's of Plunder The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:02:39 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:thatonepersone wrote:That is why ccp made it so you can't hit the warp button and then loot a wreck. Sure you can, you just have to have the wreck open before you initiate warp. You can wait till the last tick to scoop it.
No, you can not warp and then scoop the loot. You seem to already know this so I don't know why you said "sure you can". Either way, at least if they are going to warp away you can pre-lock them and spam the scram modal until they go suspect, then kill them. |
Paranoid Loyd
4099
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:07:03 -
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thatonepersone wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:thatonepersone wrote:That is why ccp made it so you can't hit the warp button and then loot a wreck. Sure you can, you just have to have the wreck open before you initiate warp. You can wait till the last tick to scoop it. No, you can not warp and then scoop the loot. You seem to already know this so I don't know why you said "sure you can". Either way, at least if they are going to warp away you can pre-lock them and spam the scram modal until they go suspect, then kill them. I do it on a daily basis, you don't have to believe me, but I am correct.
Seems you need to learn the mechanics a little better before you comment on how they work.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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thatonepersone
Son's of Plunder The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:12:51 -
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I know you did. And I said warp and then loot. As in loot the wreck while you are in warp and unlock able. |
Paranoid Loyd
4099
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:15:17 -
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No you said hit the warp button, it is different.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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