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Logan Feynman
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tzrailasa May be slightly off topic, but here is a bit of enlightenment on the different type of Forum Warriors
(a BoB thread usually has the highest number of these).
Can you identify yourself? Others?
I found Butter Dog
Constructive Influence Recruiting
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:14:00 -
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My goodness that made me laugh, 'Madeye' McGreedy strikes again with flawless accuracy wrecking himself for one million lollerpoints
Nice job with the rebuttal Rod.
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Tar Ecthelion
Kryomek Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:21:00 -
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bleh.
After following this war since the start its getting very tiring sifting through all this bull**** to get any sense of whats going on. Cant you guys just have one thread where only nominated individuals from each alliance will post facts, and not flame each other consistently. Congrats to both sides for the efforts and fighting, but its getting so annoying to see you all flaming each other, its like two gangs of school kids shouting at each other across the playground.
Give us facts, not flame. .....
"When you kill a man it costs nothing to be polite" Winston Churchill
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Ysabelle nKataros
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ysabelle nKataros on 15/10/2006 13:25:42 You'll also notice, gentlemen, that Mr McCreedy neglected to include the number of carriers (5), dreadnoughts (1) and freighters (1) BoB have killed. How many of these have ASCN destroyed? Is it none? Yes it is. And the large POS destroyed (13 by BoB, have ASCN attacked any large ones? The one in GQ still stands)
Lies, damn lies and statistics; do not trust them, they're far too easily manipulated and they are ALWAYS designed so that you see exactly what the statistician wants you to see. BoB's kill ratio is a very respectable level, on terms of battleships alone I believe it stands at over 5-1. However I could mathematically prove to you that our killing efficiency is up to 500% higher than what it really is.
I think people will find that what these statistics REALLY indicate is that EDF battleships and HACs are good at warping out when they get primaried!
BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes |
Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Ecthelion bleh.
After following this war since the start its getting very tiring sifting through all this bull**** to get any sense of whats going on. Cant you guys just have one thread where only nominated individuals from each alliance will post facts, and not flame each other consistently. Congrats to both sides for the efforts and fighting, but its getting so annoying to see you all flaming each other, its like two gangs of school kids shouting at each other across the playground.
Give us facts, not flame.
There's facts in the original post, just ignore the rest if you're not interested.
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: John McCreedy The following is taken directly from BoB's killboard NOT ASCN's and will clearly show you how well BoB is actually doing:
EDF Killing Bob...........Bob Killing EDF 78............................ 20......... Interceptors 75............................ 69......... Battleships 72............................ 77......... Capsules 24............................ 36......... Cruisers 21............................ 1.......... HAC 16............................ 11......... Assault Frigates 10............................ 2.......... Elite Destroyers 10............................ 0.......... Shuttles 8............................. 27......... Frigates 4............................. 4.......... Cov Ops 4............................. 0.......... Elite BC 3............................. 5.......... BC 3............................. 0.......... Elite Cruisers 2............................. 0.......... Noob Ships 1............................. 0.......... Destroyers 1............................. 2.......... Bombers 1............................. 0.......... Support Cruisers 1............................. 7.......... Industrials 0............................. 1.......... Mining Barges 0............................. 1.......... Elite Mining Barges
Total EDF Kills: 334 Total BoB Kills: 263
I would remind you that Eve Defence Force is but one corporation within ASCN. BoB is an entire Alliance.
Additional information for the casual observer:
ASCN POS current in BoB space numbers 3. BoB POS current in ASCN space numbers 1.
Both forces are still concentrated in the TCAG area (simply open the map and see where the blobs are because they sure as hell aren't in ASCN space).
So as you can plainly see, BoB are "winning" this war
This is a comedic post yes? Because you had me laughing on the floor the whole time! Thanks for that!
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Vladimir G'orkin
Minmatar Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir G''orkin on 15/10/2006 13:32:23
Originally by: Logan Feynman
Originally by: Tzrailasa May be slightly off topic, but here is a bit of enlightenment on the different type of Forum Warriors
(a BoB thread usually has the highest number of these).
Can you identify yourself? Others?
I found Butter Dog
BoB. Numerical superiority is a valid tactic.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:36:00 -
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The facts are in the BoB posts, just digest them out of the flames.
You see, we dont need to use lies and made up or incorrect ratios in our propaganda. We just use the facts, and apply some more colourfull wording to them where we deem it neccesary.
ASCN has done nothing of sigificance in this war other then show that they actually dared to take initiative by trying to take the fight to TPAR.
We havTn't started the war seriously yet, we're just racking up the kills and biding our time. We can do this for years if need be. This is just second gear so far.
Those are the facts.
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pershphanie
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: John McCreedy Additional information for the casual observer:
ASCN POS current in BoB space numbers 3. BoB POS current in ASCN space numbers 1.
Both forces are still concentrated in the TCAG area (simply open the map and see where the blobs are because they sure as hell aren't in ASCN space).
So as you can plainly see, BoB are "winning" this war
I love your optimism. To imply that the war is going well for ASCN is definatly looking at the glass being 1/16 full.
You've inspired me. I am now optimistic about you as well. I want to congradulate ASCN for having the best damn PVPer in eve on thier side, John McCreedy.
John McCreedy is obvoiusly the best pvper in EVE because why else would he not be kicked out by now? Cyvok certainly doesnt keep him around for wonderfull people skills. Cant be his superior tactical abilities (check his blog). Now he's proven it isnt for his great logical thought, mathmatical abilities, or anything else that requires that he use that great big roasted marshmellow attached to the top of his neck.
The only explination left for why ASCN would possibly want anything to do with him is that he is the greatest pvper to ever play the game. Any less and he wouldnt be worth it. So my congradulations to ASCN for having John McCreedy be in and represent your alliance.
Yeah, that did feel good.
I <3 Optimism.
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:46:00 -
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ROFL McGreedy Strikes again !
I just love those statics i really do
Kryztal's Stats vs ASCN and *NOTE* this is taken from the BoB Killboard not ASCN !
Kryztal Killing ASCN......... ASCN Killing Kryztal 1............................ 0.......... Carriers 3............................ 0.......... Interceptors 44........................... 2.......... Battleships 5............................ 1.......... Capsules 5............................ 0.......... Cruisers 2............................ 0.......... HAC 1............................ 0.......... Assault Frigates 0............................ 0.......... Elite Destroyers 0............................ 0.......... Shuttles 0............................ 0.......... Frigates 1............................ 0.......... Cov Ops 1............................ 0.......... Elite BC 3............................ 0.......... BC 3............................ 0.......... Elite Cruisers 0............................ 0.......... Noob Ships 1............................ 0.......... Destroyers 0............................ 0.......... Bombers 0............................ 0.......... Support Cruisers 1............................ 0.......... Industrials 0............................ 0.......... Mining Barges 0............................ 0.......... Elite Mining Barges
Total Kryztal Kills: 71 Total ASCN Kills: 3
And this is only 1 person in BoB, an inactive one as well !
lol way to twist the stats in your favor McGreedy but we all know that propoganda is not what you do best
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Logan Feynman
Originally by: Tzrailasa May be slightly off topic, but here is a bit of enlightenment on the different type of Forum Warriors
(a BoB thread usually has the highest number of these).
Can you identify yourself? Others?
I found Butter Dog
Flame with your main :p
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:54:00 -
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I have another 'interesting' statistic: BoB alliance members account for 60% of the posts in this thread.
When you add their alts, its more like 80%.
I'm glad you enjoy talking amoungst yourselves.
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HordeZla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: John McCreedy The following is taken directly from BoB's killboard NOT ASCN's and will clearly show you how well BoB is actually doing:
EDF Killing Bob...........Bob Killing EDF 78............................ 20......... Interceptors 75............................ 69......... Battleships 72............................ 77......... Capsules 24............................ 36......... Cruisers 21............................ 1.......... HAC 16............................ 11......... Assault Frigates 10............................ 2.......... Elite Destroyers 10............................ 0.......... Shuttles 8............................. 27......... Frigates 4............................. 4.......... Cov Ops 4............................. 0.......... Elite BC 3............................. 5.......... BC 3............................. 0.......... Elite Cruisers 2............................. 0.......... Noob Ships 1............................. 0.......... Destroyers 1............................. 2.......... Bombers 1............................. 0.......... Support Cruisers 1............................. 7.......... Industrials 0............................. 1.......... Mining Barges 0............................. 1.......... Elite Mining Barges
Total EDF Kills: 334 Total BoB Kills: 263
I would remind you that Eve Defence Force is but one corporation within ASCN. BoB is an entire Alliance.
Additional information for the casual observer:
ASCN POS current in BoB space numbers 3. BoB POS current in ASCN space numbers 1.
Both forces are still concentrated in the TCAG area (simply open the map and see where the blobs are because they sure as hell aren't in ASCN space).
So as you can plainly see, BoB are "winning" this war
LMAO, best you get the stats for this war sweat hear and not the over all stats as BoB have not lost that many BS in this whole war I am sure.
You have forgot to mention that all ASCN POS are in reinforced and all BoB's POS are safe as houses including the fact that ASCN are now unable to muster a fleet capable of defending there pos even with 24 hours notice given by the POS.
It's only a matter of time before the true out come of this war will be seen and with ASCN trying to gank BoB in there home town (BoB are currently out of the office crapping your back yard) and hiring countless Merc corps. It's clear mr creedy that your unable to control your players effectiley and your efforts to try and take the fight to BoB have ulitmatley resulted in you causing your members to loose countless ships and getting no-where. I honestley think you should get the advice of a more experianced PVP corp that may be able to help you put up a fight
I must admit that I am dissapointed in the laim tactic employed by ASCN when they hit structure or jump into a hostile fleet. The logging off is just laim but if this is all your pilots have left I pitty them and hope they find a better stronger path in EVE soon.
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Rio Silverwind
Syndicate Of Shadows
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:55:00 -
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Hmm... as an outsiders, the statistics shown by McCreedy doesn't really mean anything.
As far as I understand, the war are between ASCN and BOB, taking out such statistics and saying EDF kills more BOBs also means you're playing down own alliance indirectly saying "EDF uber and ASCN not, its lucky for ASCN to have EDF cause they kill more BOBs than other corps in ASCN combined". Pretty bad leadership specially in message presentation which as far as I know, BOB side didn't do such things before. Reikoku kills more? Evolutions kills more? DICE kills more? none of them mentioned that and all been heard is BOB kills rather than individuals.
All i would say is, bad message presentation
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rio Silverwind Hmm... as an outsiders, the statistics shown by McCreedy doesn't really mean anything.
As far as I understand, the war are between ASCN and BOB, taking out such statistics and saying EDF kills more BOBs also means you're playing down own alliance indirectly saying "EDF uber and ASCN not, its lucky for ASCN to have EDF cause they kill more BOBs than other corps in ASCN combined". Pretty bad leadership specially in message presentation which as far as I know, BOB side didn't do such things before. Reikoku kills more? Evolutions kills more? DICE kills more? none of them mentioned that and all been heard is BOB kills rather than individuals.
All i would say is, bad message presentation
Actually BNC out mines all the other corps i can post the stats !
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Hast
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kryztal
Originally by: Rio Silverwind Hmm... as an outsiders, the statistics shown by McCreedy doesn't really mean anything.
As far as I understand, the war are between ASCN and BOB, taking out such statistics and saying EDF kills more BOBs also means you're playing down own alliance indirectly saying "EDF uber and ASCN not, its lucky for ASCN to have EDF cause they kill more BOBs than other corps in ASCN combined". Pretty bad leadership specially in message presentation which as far as I know, BOB side didn't do such things before. Reikoku kills more? Evolutions kills more? DICE kills more? none of them mentioned that and all been heard is BOB kills rather than individuals.
All i would say is, bad message presentation
Actually BNC out mines all the other corps i can post the stats !
you also have better average signal analysis skills
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hast you also have better average signal analysis skills
Now that is a fact!
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog I have another 'interesting' statistic: BoB alliance members account for 60% of the posts in this thread.
When you add their alts, its more like 80%.
I'm glad you enjoy talking amoungst yourselves.
You of course have actual proof that they are bob alt's and not someone else's of course. Or are you assuming? Seriously, provide hard evidence and not 'guesswork' and ill eat my hat and retract my statement
Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance |
Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.10.15 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: John McCreedy
So as you can plainly see, BoB are "winning" this war
Looking back, don't you think that was a monumentally stupid post to make?
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.10.15 14:39:00 -
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Excluding the obvious flaws in quoting the EDF war stats.. I would like to ask John McCreedy a question..
If you believe that EDF are doing so well in the war, and it is obvious from the overall war stats ASCN arent living up to EDF "high" standards.. how do you explain this?
Are you blaming your fellow ASCN corps for poor alliance performances on the field? apparently The Older Gamers have suffered the most loses (by our KB) have you any plans to help them and other corps live up to your "high" standards?
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.10.15 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolle This post is dedicated to the FC's in ASCN, who gets no credit, no "thank you", and gets yelled at for all of "High Commands" mistakes. The way to get a FC to be happy with being a FC, is to support him, and to help him, not to flame him, and not to ***** at him. Being a FC is a lonely job in times of war, everyone expects glory, and all they get is gritty murder, along with boring waiting times. In their minds, they have already lost, and that is why they are still loosing every single battle.
ASCN FC's, hats off. For the pilots in ASCN, who we hear *****in at the FC's, please dont, they only have so much to work with, and thats you. Yell at those who don't back them up instead. We're here for the fights, without proper FC's, we wont get any proper fights.
I disagree with this assestment...
Like a friend of mine says, "There is no bad Soldier, only a bad Commander".
By bad doesnt mean he failed once, but so many times and he doesnt learn from it, that even his people dont trust him anymore... so cant blame the soldiers for not patting them in the back. ------------------ yay, the Deimos has been saved! |
Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Pestillence Looking back, don't you think that was a monumentally stupid post to make?
I'm thinking you're not going to get an answer
If this had been a real-life corporation, one of the following 2 things would be happening: a. He'd resign immediately b. He'd be fired by the corp board immediately
Personally, in this case I'm betting their corp going for option c, d or e c. It didn't happen d. John got mis-understood e. John was right!
My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance. |
Auman
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog I have another 'interesting' statistic: BoB alliance members account for 60% of the posts in this thread.
When you add their alts, its more like 80%.
I'm glad you enjoy talking amoungst yourselves.
Well that would make you the other 20% right? Sig is not eve related - please see the RULES - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected]) |
Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea By bad doesnt mean he failed once, but so many times and he doesnt learn from it, that even his people dont trust him anymore... so cant blame the soldiers for not patting them in the back.
In fairness to the FC's, people like Crohnx are doing their best, but some of the isntructions that are coming down from "HIGH COMMAND", the all knowing all seeing eyes in the back of various heds, are pretty ludicrous.
My personal favourite is:
"If a more senior FC comes online you are to immediately offer control of the gang, if you are that senior FC and don't immediately take control you better have a damn good reason why."
Now, the first part is fair enough, I guess, it's not something we do in BoB but each to their own. That last bit is the most unmitigated pile of steaming cow dung I've ever seen. "Good reason"? What if they just don't feel like it? How about they think it's good that less experienced but more WILLING fcs' get some practice?
Whoever issues these kind of orders needs to realise that it is that attitude that is costing you this war and should suck on a sock and shut up.
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DeadDuck
Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.15 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pestillence
Originally by: John McCreedy
So as you can plainly see, BoB are "winning" this war
Looking back, don't you think that was a monumentally stupid post to make?
3 weeks have passed since the war started, more then the KB stats show, what is important is to find if the "will to fight" for their space from ASCN members was or will be affected, and this is the most important. If BOB manages to induce ASCN members to not log at all, keep far from where the heat is, and continue to make isks while some, few, others fight, ASCN will loose the war, is just a question of time before the alliance implodes.
On other hand if ASCN leaders and directors manage to make all those 5000 players work for the same objective, giving the example and apearing on the front lines, killing and dying alonside with the common alliance members, BOB will be defeated, undoubtly with heavy losses to the ASCN side but in the end ASCN will prevail.
Yesterday while in 68FT or AZN (dont remember) a ASCN member was bragging in local chat () with other Alliance members about the lack of commitment to go to combat ... it isnt a good signe ...
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Romulus Maximus
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rio Silverwind Hmm... as an outsiders, the statistics shown by McCreedy doesn't really mean anything.
As far as I understand, the war are between ASCN and BOB, taking out such statistics and saying EDF kills more BOBs also means you're playing down own alliance indirectly saying "EDF uber and ASCN not, its lucky for ASCN to have EDF cause they kill more BOBs than other corps in ASCN combined". Pretty bad leadership specially in message presentation which as far as I know, BOB side didn't do such things before. Reikoku kills more? Evolutions kills more? DICE kills more? none of them mentioned that and all been heard is BOB kills rather than individuals.
All i would say is, bad message presentation
This just shows why ASCN fail. They dont think like we do,were not concerned with who kills most.There is no bickering between corps. Bar the omgrkkloot*****s..bncsensorbooster*****s etc Were a unified force,unconcerned with individual corp stats. As has been shown, stats can be tweeked.Apparently EDF are more interested in being the 'better' corp in ASCN Maybe one of thier uber FCs can stepp up then and get us some good fights. Maybe try and defend the pos which drops out of reinforced in 15 mins ?
Current RKK Ranking: (AMM14) Fleet Admiral - 900 kills
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Karunel
Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.10.15 15:12:00 -
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Hidden in this thread is the most ridiculously self-damaging post I've ever read in the EVE Online boards in the last 3... nah, forget that, almost 5 years!
Wohoo way to go. This war sure breaks records!
[HINT: It's in page 2]
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 15:19:00 -
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That statistic is clear proof EDF isn't participating much in this conflict. Deadweight in alliance and chestbeating...
Sig is not eve related
Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.15 15:24:00 -
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The end.
Trolling, flaming, and nonsense regarding killboards and stats. ___
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