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liquidshadows
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:33:00 -
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Could we please get the 5th utility high slot on the ret dropped for a 2nd med slot?
Any in favor please sign, opposition I would like to hear your thoughts. Keep it clean and constructive.
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:37:00 -
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Amen. I never manage to fit anything useful in that slot anyway.
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Commander Thrawn
Tarnak inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:38:00 -
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signed
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:39:00 -
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2nd med please. No ship should just have 1 mid or 1 low slot.
If 2nd mid can't be done, please just give it a 5th turret with appropriate grid/cpu instead.
Nyxus
Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus If 2nd mid can't be done, please just give it a 5th turret with appropriate grid/cpu instead.
I would prefer that one. -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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liquidshadows
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:45:00 -
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5th turret would make for an amazing ratter but would still be incredibly lacking in pvp, still better than current setup, so I'll agree with that as my 2nd choice. Would much rather versatility than overall damage, but amarr philosophy is damage over versatility so another turret would make sense.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:50:00 -
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amen. ----------------
Please fix BC Sig/Agility! |
liquidshadows
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:56:00 -
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To the poster above me, Grimpak, In Eve, a tyrant is a sansha battleship spawn, your question is anwsered.
Any more input on 2nd med ret or 5th turret ret?
I can argue the only drawback to loosing a 5th utility high would be small nos or small sb, but a 2nd med could fit a cap recharger or injector so nos isnt a loss, and sb's dont work too well on a frig with 4 pulse/beam and a small repper, besides not sure if it even fits.
I really dont see a problem with dropping the utility high for a med or just making it a turret with a slight cpu/pg tweak.
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: inSpirAcy on 16/10/2006 22:02:00
TBH, I just want a Retribution that can move and tackle. AB + web brings it into general PvP.
Oh and I'd like to see something done with the Vengeance. Probably along with a Khanid overhaul, make it a missile spewer.
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liquidshadows
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:04:00 -
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Agreed that khanid ships need an overhaul of their own, but I think theres another thread on that entitled Khanid mk II. Would just really love to bring more ships to the front line (carriers for one) so adding a 2nd med (web or scramble) would really bring this ship out in the open.
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Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy Edited by: inSpirAcy on 16/10/2006 22:02:00
Oh and I'd like to see something done with the Vengeance. Probably along with a Khanid overhaul, make it a missile spewer.
Yum
As for the 1 mid thing, while you're at it, take a look at the Coercer por favor. --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui, so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!! |
Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: liquidshadows To the poster above me, Grimpak, In Eve, a tyrant is a sansha battleship spawn, your question is anwsered.
huh? -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: liquidshadows To the poster above me, Grimpak, In Eve, a tyrant is a sansha battleship spawn, your question is anwsered.
huh?
ROFL! I think he thinks your sig was an actual question from you.
Either that or it's really obscure humour....
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: liquidshadows To the poster above me, Grimpak, In Eve, a tyrant is a sansha battleship spawn, your question is anwsered.
huh?
ROFL! I think he thinks your sig was an actual question from you.
Either that or it's really obscure humour....
indeed -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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liquidshadows
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:21:00 -
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I dont remember the slot layout for the coercer off the top of my head but was it 8/1/4? Could also use looking into but I could possibly explain that poor slot layout while justifying the change to the Ret.
Amarr philosophy (I believe) is highest armor, most hi's and low's, and most guns (maximum damage possible) so while the coercer does indeed fit this (only destroyer with 8 turret) the ret does not. With 4 guns and a utility, while it does have the most lows of all the AF's its tied with the wolf for example with 5 highs, although the wolf gets 4 turrets and a launcher so thats even greater damage. Amarr loosing out in damage, and to the mimatar no less.
That is proof the amarr should have either a 2nd med (gameplay) or a 5th turret (roleplay/lore/philosophy) CCP shouldnt be able to dispute this because they themselves laid out the philosophy of all the races, and its not like the ret is a khanid ship so it does fall in line with all the amarr ships of guns+armor > all.
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liquidshadows
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:24:00 -
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I was attempting to jest at his sig in two ways, anwsering a rhetorical question, and making this thread longer so he could troll more.. I have anwsered his question and given him purpose, should he not be happy?
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: liquidshadows That is proof the amarr should have either a 2nd med (gameplay) or a 5th turret (roleplay/lore/philosophy) CCP shouldnt be able to dispute this because they themselves laid out the philosophy of all the races, and its not like the ret is a khanid ship so it does fall in line with all the amarr ships of guns+armor > all.
With that in mind I keep wondering why Amarrian ships end up with utility high slots. While we do get blessed with more combined highs/lows than the other races, why is one of them always left over for nos?
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liquidshadows
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:30:00 -
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I also dont understand the abundant utility high slots, another med would make more sense for a cap recharger or injector (amarr love injectors) or an extra low for CPR, heat sinks or tank (all of which amarr love). I would prefere any of these changes over the current 5/1/5 setup
4/2/5 (1st choice) 5/1/5 (with 5th turret as 2nd choice) 4/1/6 (3rd choice)
at least with an extra low it could concievably tank better OR add another heatsink for more damage, I even like that better than the 5th empty hi slot.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy why is one of them always left over for nos?
As if they had the fittings to use those slots with any decent amount of weaponry & tank.
This is exactly the same problem the deimos sufers from, you cant give a ship a spare high that counts to its slot total for balance purposes and not give it the means/fittings to use it. ----------------
Please fix BC Sig/Agility! |
Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.16 23:28:00 -
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I think the idea behind the nos util slot was to offset the fact that most amarr ships dont have the med slot for the cap injector.
Id rather have the cap injector
4/2/5 ftw
as for the vengance, what was the point of giving it another low slot with no additional fitting ability? it was hard to fit before, now with ALL best named stuff, you still end up with a resistance plate instead of a true hardener.
Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
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inSpirAcy
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.10.16 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn as for the vengance, what was the point of giving it another low slot with no additional fitting ability? it was hard to fit before, now with ALL best named stuff, you still end up with a resistance plate instead of a true hardener.
Well, to be fair that patch did give it a whole 1 extra powergrid.
Which sort of implied you should have had exactly zero grid left before the patch, which sadly was (and still is) normally the case.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.10.16 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus 2nd med please. No ship should just have 1 mid or 1 low slot.
If 2nd mid can't be done, please just give it a 5th turret with appropriate grid/cpu instead.
Nyxus
*cough* Cormorant *cough*
I wholeheartedly agree with this.
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Deren Thaldrel
Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires Babylon Project
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Posted - 2006.10.16 23:43:00 -
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signed
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LeviUK
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.17 00:01:00 -
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/signed
I'd like to be able to dust ioff my Retribution and use it in small corp pvp gangs without feeling guilty for being the only one that can't contribute to any kind of tackling/webbing. -
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Fitzwilli
Amarr White-Noise
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Posted - 2006.10.17 01:13:00 -
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Doubt it'l ever go through, but what the heck
signed Fitzwilliam |
Foulis
Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.17 02:14:00 -
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I prefer the idea of giving it a fifth turret.
This will allow it to remain unique, and still be effective (ultimate gun ship). ----
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GODDAMNIT!
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.17 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis I prefer the idea of giving it a fifth turret.
This will allow it to remain unique, and still be effective (ultimate gun ship).
add a tracking bonus and the ship goes from ultimate gunship to the ultimate mobile turret, but that's another thing. -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.17 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Foulis I prefer the idea of giving it a fifth turret.
This will allow it to remain unique, and still be effective (ultimate gun ship).
add a tracking bonus and the ship goes from ultimate gunship to the ultimate mobile turret, but that's another thing.
Only if you gave it the grid/cpu to fit 5 medium beam IIs ----------------
Please fix BC Sig/Agility! |
Cosmo Raata
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.10.17 05:14:00 -
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We need a lot more help as a race than this fix, you're just giving ccp an easy way out.
Signed though because all i can expect from CCP is another lazy ass attempt of a fix.
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Goumindong
Amarr The Forsakened Companions Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.17 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 17/10/2006 05:33:58
Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Foulis I prefer the idea of giving it a fifth turret.
This will allow it to remain unique, and still be effective (ultimate gun ship).
add a tracking bonus and the ship goes from ultimate gunship to the ultimate mobile turret, but that's another thing.
Only if you gave it the grid/cpu to fit 5 medium beam IIs
Ha, good luck with that.
76 PG minimum with max skills to fit 5 [and then you only get the beams and nothing else]
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