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Crusty Waffle
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.03.15 04:38:05 -
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I'm just wondering how come unlike many other online games with areas of control, how come one alliance does not rule all of null sec? Is it by chance that it has been split into sections or is there something balancing it out? Too much space to control? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.15 04:47:45 -
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There's more than 1 person that wants to build an empire.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.03.15 05:13:14 -
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Werent we just having 'blue donut' threads like last week? Now we get 'why don't we have blue donut' threads?!?!?!
I have no clue what is happening anymore. What did you do to my forums CCP?!?!?!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Crusty Waffle
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.03.15 05:22:34 -
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besides one person. I mean how would this one person even be able to compete with already dominate powers. All the small powers are just that. Small. I have not heard of a small power that became a conquerer of null sec. An example would be nice, not really familiar with null sec history. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.15 05:44:10 -
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Brave are a SOV holding alliance who came up from nothing. Look for the tiny pink bubble in the SOV map. There were other factors involved, like big alliances funding Brave to burn certain regions, but that's squarely in rumor territory.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.15 05:53:31 -
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Crusty Waffle wrote:besides one person. I mean how would this one person even be able to compete with already dominant powers. All the small powers are just that. Small. I have not heard of a small power that became a conquerer of null sec. An example would be nice, not really familiar with null sec history. an example?
Goonswarm.
Through espionage, mass recruitment, and a little luck, they beat Band of Brothers, which in early EVE was the alliance that basically ruled all of the nullsec that matters, they then since became the new BoB, ruling over almost all of nullsec.
the thing is, as long as leadership si strong, and players stay organized/active, why should you expect to be able to take space/power from the alliances? if they have more resources than you, more members than you, and better organization than you, what can you do so well that justifies you being handed over SOV?
this is why small powers right now are small, most of them would rather leech and live off existing infrastructure and supply lines maintained by the big empires, so instead of waiting for a weakness to form in a large alliance, and exploiting it to win a war, they become dependent on the alliances and any weakness of the larger alliance becomes a weakness of the smaller, so they never get a chance to overthrow their predecessor.
in other words, its laziness and a lack of strong leadership that has prevented any new groups from forming |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.03.15 06:03:12 -
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The map was also established before capital could use stargates.
Example: The drones region was quite isolated and hard to reach.
Also the value of space has changed over time, as changes have been made to nulsec and T2.
Still, lower sec is more valuable. Example: Look who owns the lowest sec in Catch; it isn't BRAVE, it is NC. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2015.03.15 06:09:59 -
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Would this count?
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2015.03.15 06:31:25 -
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Crusty Waffle wrote:I'm just wondering how come unlike many other online games with areas of control, how come one alliance does not rule all of null sec? Is it by chance that it has been split into sections or is there something balancing it out? Too much space to control? Ask yourself why the biggest coalitions don't try to take all of null even when some are capable by imagining what CCP would have to do to null if they did.
Sometimes a duopoly is better than a monopoly if the duopoly will retain the status quo and the monopoly won't.
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Princess Cherista
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.15 06:59:07 -
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Actually Brave were in the right place at the right time (Catch area when the russians collapsed) and cozied up to the right people. They didnt 'take' any area it was handed to them and is still guarded to this day by other people. Why do you think PL is in Stain and has been in that area for a year.
Being farmed by PL, NC, N3, whoever is a tax for being given that region. |
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Leiliana Atruin
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.15 07:00:44 -
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Crusty Waffle wrote:besides one person. I mean how would this one person even be able to compete with already dominant powers. All the small powers are just that. Small. I have not heard of a small power that became a conquerer of null sec. An example would be nice, not really familiar with null sec history.
No current large alliance started big. All of them started small and grew through different means. Is it hard for a small corp to grow to that sort of power? Yes it is, but is it impossible given skill and time? Hell yes.
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Big Lynx
The Moustachery Very Amazing And Super Optimistic Noodle Squad
1060
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Posted - 2015.03.15 07:26:20 -
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Divide et impera! |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2015.03.15 08:13:49 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Goonswarm... ruling over almost all of nullsec.
[Citation needed]
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.15 08:53:01 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Goonswarm... ruling over almost all of nullsec.
then why do i see goons holding only 2 regions http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/influence.png yes, 3 if you include renters... its the east where most of the null is, there are more regions and bigger...
People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back --á EvE
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.03.15 09:00:06 -
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Crusty Waffle wrote:besides one person. I mean how would this one person even be able to compete with already dominant powers. All the small powers are just that. Small. I have not heard of a small power that became a conquerer of null sec. An example would be nice, not really familiar with null sec history.
Uhm....
All previous, current and future SOV owners.
All the current big alliances in null started out small and grew to their current size, or did you think they all from day 1 were this big?
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Lienzo
Amanuensis
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Posted - 2015.03.15 09:28:44 -
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This is a question commonly studied in political science. For example, "Why do even single party or totalitarian states develop internal factions?"
Anywhere that we see an entity become dominant in politics for any length of time, we tend to see that entity develop its own internal divisions. The LDP of Japan was consistently elected for over four decades until the late 20th century. In that time, rather than have opposition parties become major power brokers, we instead observed factions within the LDP become the main bargaining entities.
In general, the fewer people involved in making decisions, the less opportunistic decision making occurs, and the less marginal efficiency is exploited. A different set of inefficiencies occur in systems that maximize solely decisions making at margins. Consequently, some dynamic equilibrium tends to emerge. |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.03.15 09:30:46 -
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OH man. It's so cool, in a chicken-sh*t kinda way. The TWO BIG ALLIANCES HAVE A TREATY! Shhhh...."we" don't want just anybody to know this. People may start thinking "player-generated content" = rigging the game.
They essentially agreed not to attack each other. This was to "secure revenue." That's a fancy way of saying, "If I'm fighting to defend what I have, it costs money, and while I'm fighting I can't make money. So, let's just not fight." So, this mythological EVE where PVP reigns supreme and carebears suck? Well. Shhhh....don't tell anybody. The two HUGEST PVP outfits agreed to carebear with each other!
I KNOW, RIGHT?!
They're the huge stagnant glob on the map. ONE of these alliances is now attacking a very small alliance in what is known as the more undesirable, and profitless section of null sec - because they're bored and want some "gudfights"!
I KNOW, RIGHT?!
*Wonders silently to herself who in this pixelated world would possibly not support the SoV change this summer...*
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.15 09:39:33 -
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Serene Repose wrote:OH man. It's so cool, in a chicken-sh*t kinda way. The TWO BIG ALLIANCES HAVE A TREATY! There are more than two big Alliances in the game.
Maybe you meant Coalitions, but that's not the subject of this thread. Look at the sov map. There are quite a few sov holding Alliances.
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Hal Morsh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.15 13:47:35 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Werent we just having 'blue donut' threads like last week? Now we get 'why don't we have blue donut' threads?!?!?!
I have no clue what is happening anymore. What did you do to my forums CCP?!?!?!
The sov updates haven't even hit yet and they are already effecting people. That's my only explanation.
ISD Dorrim > Hey, a fedo!
Thread closed.
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Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:24:15 -
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Gaining a foothold: profitability is low, effort is massive and burnouts is probable.
Preventing someone from gaining a foothold: ping for a full fleet of Tengus and another fleet of caps, fun factor high, low effort, rarely any burnouts as this doesn't happen daily. |
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:36:55 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Crusty Waffle wrote:besides one person. I mean how would this one person even be able to compete with already dominant powers. All the small powers are just that. Small. I have not heard of a small power that became a conquerer of null sec. An example would be nice, not really familiar with null sec history. an example? Goonswarm. Through espionage, mass recruitment, and a little luck, they beat Band of Brothers, which in early EVE was the alliance that basically ruled all of the nullsec that matters, they then since became the new BoB, ruling over almost all of nullsec. the thing is, as long as leadership si strong, and players stay organized/active, why should you expect to be able to take space/power from the alliances? if they have more resources than you, more members than you, and better organization than you, what can you do so well that justifies you being handed over SOV? this is why small powers right now are small, most of them would rather leech and live off existing infrastructure and supply lines maintained by the big empires, so instead of waiting for a weakness to form in a large alliance, and exploiting it to win a war, they become dependent on the alliances and any weakness of the larger alliance becomes a weakness of the smaller, so they never get a chance to overthrow their predecessor. in other words, its laziness and a lack of strong leadership that has prevented any new groups from forming
GS don't count, back in those days there were still systems unclaimed for 1, and 2 bob fell apart when it was found out they had help from someone inside CCP, who promptly had his powers taken. Followed by they had a guy higher in command take everything and jump ship (as he stated he was tired of BOB's Elitist BS) is what made BOB fall. Up until those moments, it was pretty much a stalemate.
Last I saw while much of null sec is "empty" population wise, all sov is claimed.
Brave got so big between funding and the fast they didn't have a "specification" for characters they were able to compete.
Its near impossible for most of these groups in empire to get big enough with standards & the fact every one wants run a corp for 1 reason or another.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.15 15:37:57 -
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they are politically in charge of a coalition they organize and centrally govern that has influence covering half the map, dont pretend that coalitions dont exist, because they do, yes the rule is precarious because pissing off subordinates is an instant loss of 2-3 regions a piece, but they havent lost rule yet, and until they due, they "own" half the map |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.15 18:29:41 -
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Because we don't want it all. The logistical difficulties of holding just a few regions of space is already a giant pain in the ass. Multiply that by "All of nullsec" and it simply gets stupid. |
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.18 00:19:01 -
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For one..
JUMP FATIGUE
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.03.18 00:48:14 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:they are politically in charge of a coalition they organize and centrally govern that has influence covering half the map, dont pretend that coalitions dont exist, because they do, yes the rule is precarious because pissing off subordinates is an instant loss of 2-3 regions a piece, but they havent lost rule yet, and until they due, they "own" half the map Coalition Influence Map: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/coalitionsov/Coalitioninfluence.png |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.18 00:57:32 -
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Crusty Waffle wrote:besides one person. I mean how would this one person even be able to compete with already dominant powers. All the small powers are just that. Small. I have not heard of a small power that became a conquerer of null sec. An example would be nice, not really familiar with null sec history. I know of three small alliances who have grabbed some SOV but I don't want to draw attention to them.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:14:44 -
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
670
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:35:34 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Crusty Waffle wrote:besides one person. I mean how would this one person even be able to compete with already dominant powers. All the small powers are just that. Small. I have not heard of a small power that became a conquerer of null sec. An example would be nice, not really familiar with null sec history. I know of three small alliances who have grabbed some SOV but I don't want to draw attention to them.
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Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:46:24 -
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The table is full of food, pull up a seat and eat!
If your lazy you will always live in mom's basement and eat cheeto's
You get me? You want to be SOV holder go and get it. If not, do something else, why I love EVE for 11 years now! |
Chewytowel Haklar
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:47:56 -
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I say come the Sov changes, we should get in our rifters and take back what is ours brother!
We should take Null for the Winmatar! Then they will be the slaves and we will be the masters. |
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