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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2015.03.18 13:03:38 -
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Hello Capsuleers!
Just taking a little time out from crazy Fanfest prep to give you guys a little information regarding trial accounts, and the fact they can now utilize the buddy invitation system!
You can read more about it in this Dev Blog, and hopefully we'll see a lore more new spacebros signing up with their friends!
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Ereilian
Mythic Inc Gentlemen's.Parlor
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Posted - 2015.03.18 13:10:13 -
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Stinks of desperation and a false attempt to pump concurrent online user numbers.
But thank you for the ability to make multiple trial account suicide gankers!! |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.18 13:10:59 -
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Neat.
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Edward Olmops
DUST Expeditionary Team Good Sax
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Posted - 2015.03.18 13:13:53 -
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Great news. Anything that faciliated getting new players on TQ is welcome.
Please ensure that the limitations ans special restrictions "somehow" become very clear during the process of creating the buddy account. Like: WARNING - if you pay like this, your inviter will NOT get a reward. Or even disable the option for accounts created through a buddy invite.
Just to avoid tears and anger. I had issues with that.
Also: Are there thoughts to allow buddy invites to EXISTING trial accounts? Yes that does not seem to generate any advantage for CCP, because the person already IS interested in the game, aware AND has created an account.
But especially CCP Rise complains about people not sticking with the game after the trial and not getting in touch with corps etc. I really like teaching a new player from time to time, but friends who might be interested already know about the game (after I played it for 5 years). I would like to meet NEW new players who can become my buddies. I can go to a starter system... a little incentive here could certainly help (maybe a different reward for becoming a mentor for an existing trial account could be suitable?). |
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CCP Manifest
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.18 13:24:18 -
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Ereilian wrote:Stinks of desperation and a false attempt to pump concurrent online user numbers.
But thank you for the ability to make multiple trial account suicide gankers!!
Hrm, I read the dev blog as allowing trail users to get benefits for getting other players to play the game. A kind nice marketing initiative unless of course you agree with me that all of marketing is evil.
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Ereilian
Mythic Inc Gentlemen's.Parlor
76
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Posted - 2015.03.18 13:51:54 -
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CCP Manifest wrote:Ereilian wrote:Stinks of desperation and a false attempt to pump concurrent online user numbers.
But thank you for the ability to make multiple trial account suicide gankers!! Hrm, I read the dev blog as allowing trail users to get benefits for getting other players to play the game. A kind nice marketing initiative unless of course you agree with me that all of marketing is evil.
Only if the "Buddy" pays in cash, a rather neat marketing trick in the small print would you not agree :D
I would rather see the Buddy system as a benefit of supporting the game rather than allowing the system to be used to create a succession of Free to Play accounts.
Without addressing the ability of trial accounts to engage in suicide ganking, you are basically creating a F2P option for that activity. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:01:09 -
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Ereilian wrote:pays in cash
Quote:creating a F2P option
.............I'm lost.
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Ereilian
Mythic Inc Gentlemen's.Parlor
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:05:03 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Ereilian wrote:pays in cash Quote:creating a F2P option .............I'm lost.
Look at the small print on rewards and go into any reputable skill training software and see exactly how quickly you can build a suicide ganker. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:05:48 -
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Sincerely, I'm struggling with the logic of this. How does go Mr. Ibuddymytrial's mind?
"I am trying this game, but I still have not given any money to the developers. So, now I will invite my friends and hopefully one of them will pay with cash and so I'll get one month of subscription to this game I am just tyring but which still hasn't convinced me to part with my money"
Errr... not likely. I don't mean that it's impossible, but its chances are in par with those of "CCP has been secretly developing avatar gameplay for EVE and it will unveiled in all its jawdropping glory Soon (TM)".
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:08:38 -
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Right, so TL;DR now trial users can also use the buddy program, the first reward being 30 days of game time + conversion to full account.
The question if, what if Player A invites Player B, who in turn invites Player C, and Player C subscribes before Player B?
Player B becomes a full account, but I guess Player A doesn't get any reward for the upgrade of Player B?
(I hope you're not lost )
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:11:07 -
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CCP Manifest wrote:Ereilian wrote:Stinks of desperation and a false attempt to pump concurrent online user numbers.
But thank you for the ability to make multiple trial account suicide gankers!! Hrm, I read the dev blog as allowing trail users to get benefits for getting other players to play the game. A kind nice marketing initiative unless of course you agree with me that all of marketing is evil.
Huh... benefits for bringing other players even before deciding that EVE is worth your money? That's quite a stretch, CCP Manifest...
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:11:59 -
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Ereilian wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Ereilian wrote:pays in cash Quote:creating a F2P option .............I'm lost. Look at the small print on rewards and go into any reputable skill training software and see exactly how quickly you can build a suicide ganker.
Who cares what the character does? They're still paying.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:16:37 -
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Altrue wrote:Right, so TL;DR now trial users can also use the buddy program, the first reward being 30 days of game time + conversion to full account. The question if, what if Player A invites Player B, who in turn invites Player C, and Player C subscribes before Player B? Player B becomes a full account, but I guess Player A doesn't get any reward for the upgrade of Player B? (I hope you're not lost )
Frankly, at this point I am as lost as a virgin unicorn in a fauns orgy. Not your fault, I'm still struggling to figure the thought processess of someone who invites people to play a game before deciding to pay for it... "Hey this game is great give them your money... I haven't yet btw".
Even worst: what if A invites B, then B subscribes but A stopped playing after the trial?
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Obidiah Kane
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
0
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:19:14 -
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Is there anything coming in Scylla - bar the Sov wand?! I check back everyday but nothing - for the last couple of expansions there has been updates within a week of the last being released, this time round; nothing...I know its fanfest, I guess there is lots of stuff going on and being set up - but its for a fraction of the player base - I am not going to fanfest, I am not a nullsec sov'er, and all my buddies that would play Eve, already do...
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Ereilian
Mythic Inc Gentlemen's.Parlor
76
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:22:24 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Ereilian wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Ereilian wrote:pays in cash Quote:creating a F2P option .............I'm lost. Look at the small print on rewards and go into any reputable skill training software and see exactly how quickly you can build a suicide ganker. Who cares what the character does? They're still paying.
No, they are not. A trial account is still a non paying account.
Two separate issues, maybe I should have bullet pointed them. |
Tarpedo
Incursionista
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:22:42 -
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Guys, do you realize you've killed buddy program for those who actively promoted it when you've decided to make its length equal to standard EVE trial? As result I had much less registrations and zero upgrades during last month. If things will go like that you'll have to promote your game alone. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1177
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:27:25 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Altrue wrote:Right, so TL;DR now trial users can also use the buddy program, the first reward being 30 days of game time + conversion to full account. The question if, what if Player A invites Player B, who in turn invites Player C, and Player C subscribes before Player B? Player B becomes a full account, but I guess Player A doesn't get any reward for the upgrade of Player B? (I hope you're not lost ) Frankly, at this point I am as lost as a virgin unicorn in a fauns orgy. Not your fault, I'm still struggling to figure the thought processess of someone who invites people to play a game before deciding to pay for it... "Hey this game is great give them your money... I haven't yet btw". Even worst: what if A invites B, then B subscribes but A stopped playing after the trial?
It says that if a player runs out of their trial, but someone they invited later pays a subscription, then the original player get's 30 days of game time.
As for the Player A invites Player B who then invites Player C and Player C pays a sub giving Player B an extra 30 days then Player A would get no benefit because Player B did not pay with money but I guess there is a chance that once Player B does pay with money then Player A might get 30 days free then providing Player A never upgraded to a full subscription themselves at which point I assume they are no longer eligible for the Trial Buddy Program and instead just the Regular Buddy Program.
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Storm ToFollow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:32:27 -
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Seems like a reasonable idea. Marketing seem to be beginning to get over the idea that there always must be a trick to catch you out, it's not PVP guys!
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1177
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:35:52 -
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Ereilian wrote:No, they are not. A trial account is still a non paying account.
Two separate issues, maybe I should have bullet pointed them.
After 60 days, the first account is either paying, inactive, or has managed to convince more people to pay for subscriptions.
Meanwhile the second account has already paid for at least a month, and after their trial and first month they are either paying, inactive, or convincing more people to pay for subscriptions.
So at the absolute least, there is a one month subscription paid between two accounts and after 60 days those two accounts are either generating income or not being used. So where's the problem?
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.03.18 15:28:32 -
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Ereilian wrote:Stinks of desperation and a false attempt to pump concurrent online user numbers.
But thank you for the ability to make multiple trial account suicide gankers!! Well let's see. First, the changes to force projection resulted in a large reduction in number of cyno alts. Then input broadcasting was banned. Sounds to me like CCP is more interested in improving core game play than just directly increasing accounts by whatever means possible.
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Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
12
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Posted - 2015.03.18 15:41:51 -
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Ok, I am not seeing how this is better than the normal Buddy Invite system that is currently in place?
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.18 15:45:00 -
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Styphon the Black wrote:Ok, I am not seeing how this is better than the normal Buddy Invite system that is currently in place?
It's not and that system isn't changing. This is just opening up a Buddy invite option to people who are on their trial.
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Aston Martin DB5
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2015.03.18 18:19:31 -
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Ereilian wrote:Stinks of desperation and a false attempt to pump concurrent online user numbers.
But thank you for the ability to make multiple trial account suicide gankers!!
LOL .... play video games much? Recruiting friends for a few perks and/or free game time have been around 4ever.
They can't do it through plex but rather $... so if they want to create a 2 month account for ganking, more power to them.
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Mysteriala
HC - Degc
1
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Posted - 2015.03.18 19:07:26 -
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So I invited my buddy through the buddy invite program a few days ago. Am I still eligible for these rewards or is this an entirely new program? Or does this not affect the current buddy program? |
Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2015.03.19 09:50:01 -
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Super smart. Tap into crowd sourcing and initial enthusiasm better.
Many people like to learn new games together in very early stages and work together within hours of joining. EVE training and rookie systems tended to make that somewhat impractical for groups of true newbies.
Old system limited word of mouth to people that wanted or didn't mind having a noticeable over friends they invited.
The old system tended place at least a small temporary barrier to friend playing on equal footing at beginning. We could do a few real things in EVE BUT invited friends would be working tutorials for days. Heck it might be 1-2 weeks before they could effectively join us in our chosen real tasks.
Because most of us are CHEAP and wary about paying that first subscription fee and also we wanted that PLEX for buddies. So there tended to be 2-3 weeks under our belt before we could invite friends. And that meant |
Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2015.03.19 09:55:12 -
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Mysteriala wrote:So I invited my buddy through the buddy invite program a few days ago. Am I still eligible for these rewards or is this an entirely new program? Or does this not affect the current buddy program?
Sounds like it just changes who can send invites. No need to wait for paid subscription to make invites. Though you can't collect until you pay.
Nothing about invalidating old buddy invites and rewards.
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2015.03.19 10:04:55 -
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Should see more people joining as groups of newbies over just a few days.
No more periods of self-imposed isolation so you can both collect invite rewards and use free trial days to make sure. (Greedy us.)
Even if early invites means a higher rate of invitees find the game unsuited to their interests (less informed basis for invitation). At least a few will stick around.
Plus retention tends to go up when you bring your own friends. You more fun together. And maybe best of all you work that steep EVE learning curve together as first days newbie group. Not so much feeling isolated and frustrated in first few weeks. More people to research or see things from different angles or make a broader contact base with EVE vets. |
Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
12
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Posted - 2015.03.19 15:39:06 -
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Honestly the reason that new players loose interest in Eve is that it takes way to long to become useful at anything. If CCP offered some sort of skill training booster for new characters and accounts that would increase retention rates of keeping new players in the game.
Most people don't even know about cerebral accelerators or where or how to get them. Especially new players. The fact that most of them, that are available in contracts, are so insanely priced also makes them unattainable by those same new people just coming into the game. The only way for new players to get access to one now is to purchase the Eve Core Starter Pack on a third party website before they even create their eve account.
It seems like if CCP just started new accounts with the effects of these device already added to the new character (perhaps after the first purchase of game time or plex) that would get new people having enough inital skills to actual be able to do something in eve and want to play the game instead of getting bored of it after the first week or two. |
Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:52:57 -
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Smacks a little of desperation. Things like this from established companies usually mean something about the company is not working as intended.
Eve is in a rare position in the customer market. It is not a game for kids as the learning curve and complexity is just too steep to keep younger players engaged for too long if they don't have friends who also play. If they start playing in their own little group of friends you end up with small groups of players who stick to themselves for a few months trying to learn the ropes and then 1 by 1 leave because it just takes too long to do anything worth doing.
Eve is designed to be played by adults, it is way too complex and involved for most kids to bother with.
Yet it is a game, nothing more and gaming is about masses of kids getting online feeding the company bank accounts.
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