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xavier zor2
Abattoir Militia
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Posted - 2015.03.23 01:10:57 -
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Have you ever tried it before, of investigated into it? Moon mining :)
I hear it is highly profitable |
Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
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Posted - 2015.03.23 01:13:54 -
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good luck |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.03.23 01:22:26 -
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Before you learn to mine moons, you need to learn to mine the internet. Mine it for people.
That's the only way you'll be able to increase your corp by the approximately 6,000 players needed to go take some. Get back to us once you own a few and we can work on the logistics of it then.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.03.23 01:40:26 -
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The best thing CCP will ever do is one day make moon mining a player activity instead of something that requires a pos. Or place moon materials in some kind of belts or rings and let people do it that way (a way that is then taxable so as to make null group income bottom up). |
xavier zor2
Abattoir Militia
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Posted - 2015.03.23 01:50:22 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Before you learn to mine moons, you need to learn to mine the internet. Mine it for people. That's the only way you'll be able to increase your corp by the approximately 6,000 players needed to go take some. Get back to us once you own a few and we can work on the logistics of it then. Mr Epeen
why does it need 6000 people?
Defense of POS, complex reaction chamber, ect. Have you ever done it yourself though... |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.23 02:06:47 -
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xavier zor2, it is mainly defense & logistics.
You see, it's a very lucrative resource pool, and all of has already been taken up, so to get a chance at mining, you'd have to destroy & evict someone, and only then install your own POS.
But then someone else might get the same idea as you did and the cycle continues.
You could start either by mining ore, or planetary excavation - both of these can be undertaken solo, or in a small group.
When you get the hang of the scanning system, you could start Gas Harvesting.
( -í° -£-û -í°)
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Kahawa Oban
New Groton Industrial Works
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Posted - 2015.03.23 02:15:36 -
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Check out this site:
http://eve-moons.com/search.php
However, usually if you find a moon with a good quality resource it is already being mined and if you want to do something about it you will need lots of friends.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.03.23 02:23:48 -
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xavier zor2 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Before you learn to mine moons, you need to learn to mine the internet. Mine it for people. That's the only way you'll be able to increase your corp by the approximately 6,000 players needed to go take some. Get back to us once you own a few and we can work on the logistics of it then. Mr Epeen why does it need 6000 people? Defense of POS, complex reaction chamber, ect. Have you ever done it yourself though...
I can neither confirm nor deny that I have characters in moon mining corps.
But I can answer why you need many people. To get the moon you need to take over the space from entrenched alliances with years of experience defending their little corner of New Eden from any and all that wish to take it from them.
No easy task.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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xavier zor2
Abattoir Militia
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Posted - 2015.03.23 02:34:31 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:xavier zor2, it is mainly defense & logistics. You see, it's a very lucrative resource pool, and all of has already been taken up, so to get a chance at mining, you'd have to destroy & evict someone, and only then install your own POS. But then someone else might get the same idea as you did and the cycle continues. You could start either by mining ore, or planetary excavation - both of these can be undertaken solo, or in a small group. When you get the hang of the scanning system, you could start Gas Harvesting.
Planetary harvesting...do i need a different mining tool (NOT a laser?), or a different ship (im using a venture, just started skilling into mining barges)?
Links anyone? |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2015.03.23 02:36:11 -
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https://goofinder.co.uk/ |
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Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2015.03.23 02:49:18 -
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xavier zor2 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Before you learn to mine moons, you need to learn to mine the internet. Mine it for people. That's the only way you'll be able to increase your corp by the approximately 6,000 players needed to go take some. Get back to us once you own a few and we can work on the logistics of it then. Mr Epeen why does it need 6000 people? Defense of POS, complex reaction chamber, ect. Have you ever done it yourself though... Mr Epeen has no clue. You need at least over 9000.
"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.03.23 03:17:46 -
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xavier zor2 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Before you learn to mine moons, you need to learn to mine the internet. Mine it for people. That's the only way you'll be able to increase your corp by the approximately 6,000 players needed to go take some. Get back to us once you own a few and we can work on the logistics of it then. Mr Epeen why does it need 6000 people? Defense of POS, complex reaction chamber, ect. Have you ever done it yourself though... It takes that many to hold the drill bit to get your hole started.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 03:23:15 -
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I wasn't kidding when I said "be ready to be disappointed" about moon mining.
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2015.03.23 03:26:31 -
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Goon csms are trying to get moon goo turned into belts that people then have to mine in space, like mining ores.
While IRC hate goons more than most ppl, there's good indication that not all the votes their csms get are pre-filled ballots. |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.03.23 03:39:49 -
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sabre906 wrote:Goon csms are trying to get moon goo turned into belts that people then have to mine in space, like mining ores.
While IRC hate goons more than most ppl, there's good indication that not all the votes their csms get are pre-filled ballots. One can't goose step constantly. It attracts attention.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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Traynea Zulai
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.23 04:58:42 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The best thing CCP will ever do is one day make moon mining a player activity instead of something that requires a pos. Or place moon materials in some kind of belts or rings and let people do it that way (a way that is then taxable so as to make null group income bottom up).
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.23 05:18:57 -
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Traynea Zulai wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The best thing CCP will ever do is one day make moon mining a player activity instead of something that requires a pos. Or place moon materials in some kind of belts or rings and let people do it that way (a way that is then taxable so as to make null group income bottom up). I COULD NOT AGREE MORE
Target that moon!
Could have an interesting effect on T2 prices - it's high time T2 became the new T1!
( -í° -£-û -í°)
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Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.03.23 05:56:56 -
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Yes, I have mined a moon. As a solo player, you're not going to get one that "pays for itself" (i.e. that is worth more than the cost of POS fuel) because those are mostly claimed. However, there are several more common goo types that are not worth mining alone, and you can mine one of those as a way of reducing the price of your POS.
For example: If you're running a POS that costs 100mil/month in fuel, perhaps for a safespot to rat or mine out of, you could put it on a barren moon or on a moon that has goo worth say 50 mil/month. Why not put it on the moon with the low-value goo? It doesn't by itself justify a mining POS, but it can't hurt. |
Nick Actilete
I'm Fine and You Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.23 06:43:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The best thing CCP will ever do is one day make moon mining a player activity instead of something that requires a pos. Or place moon materials in some kind of belts or rings and let people do it that way (a way that is then taxable so as to make null group income bottom up).
I do kinda feel like a "Moon Interaction" system would be nice, but POS'es generate content a lot of the time. I don't think we should remove anything that would take away possibilities for PvP, and alliances fighting over moons is one of them.
I'm sure people setup POS'es solo in and mine moons, so any claims about it needing large groups are invalid. Because I know it's possible. |
Aoi Shirokuro
French Kiss Singularity Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2015.03.23 10:37:35 -
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Quote:I'm sure people setup POS'es solo in and mine moons, so any claims about it needing large groups are invalid. Because I know it's possible.
It is. I have an alt to do that. The problems with solo moon mining are: - The only moons left to mine have ressources that barely break even (or not at all). - If you find a Moon with a profitable ressource, it has a high chance of attracting attention sooner or later.You might have the time neccessary to break even on the investment but you also might not. And defending POSes alone is rarely doable (not against capitals at least) - The initial investment can be a probleme for the solo player (see point above about losing the POS). - More importantly, the logistic to keep the POS fueled can be hardcore, especially in deep low or null
All in all, it is useless as a solo player to set up a pure mining POS (too much work for very low return on investment), unless you do it for the kicks or set up a reaction POS (even then, a medium POS reacting Sulfuric Acid and mining the two reactants makes about 20M a month after fuel, it takes one year to pay itself back). Reaction POSes scale very well with numbres but managing them all alone can be horrendrously complicated |
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
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Posted - 2015.03.23 10:56:08 -
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Nick Actilete wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The best thing CCP will ever do is one day make moon mining a player activity instead of something that requires a pos. Or place moon materials in some kind of belts or rings and let people do it that way (a way that is then taxable so as to make null group income bottom up). I do kinda feel like a "Moon Interaction" system would be nice, but POS'es generate content a lot of the time. I don't think we should remove anything that would take away possibilities for PvP, and alliances fighting over moons is one of them. The requirement of having a POS also means continuing being able to mine moons is a reward to those who can keep their POS safe This guy knows what's up.
If you put moon mining in the hands of individuals it will tank the price of the mats, decreasing the incentive for alliances to fight over POS space. Let's not even discuss how disastrous removing it from moons altogether would be.
Nullsec has a few more reasons for large fights but in lowsec moons are the primary catalyst. I can't even recall the last time I was in a 50+ pilot a side fight in lowsec that wasn't over a moon.
There are all our dominion
Bookmarks in overview ~ Fleet improvements
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2Sonas1Cup
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Posted - 2015.03.23 11:01:01 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:good luck
I will find you |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2015.03.23 12:46:33 -
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xavier zor2 wrote:Have you ever tried it before, of investigated into it? Moon mining :) I hear it is highly profitable
only all of null sec, that's the main way the Blocs pay for their space aand all of those supers they lose.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:22:48 -
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A group of 30 or so pilots can make a dent in certain regions. I bet if you had 10 dreads you could grab some moons in Khanid or Molden Heath and it would not be worth it to deploy against you. Plus I know much of Khanid is still "the dark region" in terms of moon goo, probably opportunities there. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:53:20 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The best thing CCP will ever do is one day make moon mining a player activity instead of something that requires a pos. Or place moon materials in some kind of belts or rings and let people do it that way (a way that is then taxable so as to make null group income bottom up).
It will probably happen in the long run. It's a necessary step to break large entities which is what they seem to be trying to do =x |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:04:19 -
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As they are doing away with POSes the whole picture is likely to change. You don't need an armada anymore to attack a moon mining POS. An entosis link will be sufficient. However, you can lose your drilling platform as easily. |
Nick Actilete
I'm Fine and You Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:04:31 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:As they are doing away with POSes the whole picture is likely to change. You don't need an armada anymore to attack a moon mining POS. An entosis link will be sufficient. However, you can lose your drilling platform as easily.
They aren't "doing away" with poses, it's more like a redesign and change of anchoring requirements and mechanics. You can still place POS'es without having sovereignty over a system so the entosis link isn't changing anything about that. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:51:06 -
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You can anchor a siphon on moons to steal the goo. It will get found out sooner or later, but I've heard of people parking alts nearby to scoop every few hours.
Helpful resources.
http://evenews24.com/2014/06/19/all-fountain-moon-minerals-mapped-and-public/ http://www.dotlan.net/ https://goofinder.co.uk/ |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.03.23 17:25:04 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:You can anchor a siphon on moons to steal the goo. Yeah, I've also done that. You don't even need to anchor the siphon yourself. Just set your d-scan to show siphons, and when you're flying around lowsec or nullsec be sure to scan for them. Use a cloaky ship to go bookmark the siphons, and you can make good money scooping the goo that someone else worked hard to steal.
Hint: there were a bunch of them in the EVE constellation last week. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
701
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Posted - 2015.03.23 17:51:21 -
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xavier zor2 wrote:Have you ever tried it before, of investigated into it? Moon mining :) I hear it is highly profitable
Anything above R16 is taken by bigger alliances and corps, if by luck you find an empty moon, chances are it will be sieged and killed in days. Sov holders get notification when you anchor pos in their space.
As an independent person, your only chance is in low-sec or NPC null.
Even there, beware bigger entities. They like nothing better then getting a juicy 500mil pos kill + whatever fuel stront was in it. And everyone and their dog in null has a dread or super to drop on your POS.
So to mine you need 2 things - blue standings/understanding with dominant player, and empty location.
Anything to mine below R16 is a waste of time. R16 is okay, marginally. R32, you MIGHT find an empty moon in deep NPC null, MIGHT.
R64 is all alliances. No chance.
Best thing for you as a small independent player is to use siphons and steal moon goo instead. You wont hold on to the POS long enough to get profit. |
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