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uu Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.26 02:53:14 -
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Hi,
I'm running missions in gallente space and I want to try a mach (been using a tengu)
I tried a very simply fit t2:
x7 800mm autos x1 tractor beam
x1 LSE x1 100mn mwd x1 tracking computer x1 shield hardner x1 XL ASB x1 sebo
x gyro x gyro x gyro x gyro x TE x TE x nano
warp speed rig + extender rigs
I realize this isnt optimal fit, I am new to macherial so I wanted some input for best blitzing fit. I have read many threads about machs being good for blitzing but I haven't seen any fitting links so I was wondering if anyone had a good one. English not first language, sorry for mistake typo.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2015.03.26 03:48:30 -
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Though the "Big Mack" is not my thing, I'd start by dropping the LSE. That is not going to help in an active fit, even less in a burst tank on a Machariel. Replace it with another hardener or, if you're sure the one hardener and ASB are good enough, another TC would suffice. Hell, even a large cap battery would be better in that it would help you running the MWD for longer periods of time should you need it.
In fact, drop both LSE and shield rig for another hardener and a gun rig (which ever one ups the falloff for projectiles). Your tank will actually be better and you get some added projection for the 800's.
Also, just to say it even though I'm sure you know this much, when you have the cash for them, swap some of the gyro's for faction ones if you wish. I know you specified that this is meant to be T2, but the gyros are your best bet for an exception.
Otherwise, fit looks good. As long as you take care in ops against Blood Raiders/Sansha, you should be fine so long as this isn't your first time running L4's in a Macharial. If it is, you may want to consider running some missions in an insured 'Pest to get your feet wet first. |
uu Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.26 04:33:50 -
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Thanks.
Any recommended fit does not need to be t2, I just happened to start with a t2 fit.
Thanks for your suggestions Tali, I was thinking of trying a faction/deadspace shieldbooster but was unsure which one would be best cap/boost amount use. |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
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Posted - 2015.03.26 05:05:10 -
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Gist types are the most efficient while pith types rep the most.
However, I would stick to T2 until you get the hang of it and then add bling. Just take it careful first and get the hang of PvE projectiles. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.03.26 05:11:55 -
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I'm not 100% sure on optimal, the effort required of playtesting and spreadsheeting just isn't worth the payoff to me. but.... With some guessing off this chart http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.png not correcting for accel/decel as I have no bloody clue as to how that works.
My fits traditionally had a Large Projectile Burst Aerator II for one of the rigs as that is a decent DPS upgrade, but with the warp speed changes and ascendancy implants, I would guess that fitting for warp speed is preferable in many cases. I also assume ascendancy implants aren't something most people buy. With max warp speed and implants it looks like you are saving ~15s over no warp rigs/implants, on an average warp of ~20 AU. Without ascendancys it looks like a ~10s difference on that same warp. The difference between 3x warp speed IIs and no warp speed rigs looks to be ~13s.
so that vs a ~6% dps increase.
pure blitz (as in decline anything non-favorable) probably the warp speed is better, but if you are running nearly every mission as they come then the DPS is probably a bit better.
My basic Mach template, looks like you can swap to warp speed without too many issues. generally just seems like swapping from xl to large on the booster. [Machariel, Mwd 800s] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Gist A-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L Auto Targeting System I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I [empty rig slot]
Warrior II x5 Gecko x2
with arty [Machariel, MWD 1400s copy 1] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Reactor Control Unit II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L Auto Targeting System I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I [empty rig slot]
Warrior II x5
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
997
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Posted - 2015.03.26 05:20:00 -
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Aerie Evingod wrote:Gist types are the most efficient while pith types rep the most.
However, I would stick to T2 until you get the hang of it and then add bling. Just take it careful first and get the hang of PvE projectiles.
T2 shield boosters are CPU hogs. and Pith xl boosters are pretty cheap. C type is 30m in jita as I type this.
also I wouldn't fit a falloff rig, even a T2 falloff rig only does the same as a tracking enhancer, and with most fits the stacking penalty will be pretty high on that, where a TE will also add some tracking.
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uu Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.26 06:02:09 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I'm not 100% sure on optimal, the effort required of playtesting and spreadsheeting just isn't worth the payoff to me. but.... With some guessing off this chart http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.png not correcting for accel/decel as I have no bloody clue as to how that works. My fits traditionally had a Large Projectile Burst Aerator II for one of the rigs as that is a decent DPS upgrade, but with the warp speed changes and ascendancy implants, I would guess that fitting for warp speed is preferable in many cases. I also assume ascendancy implants aren't something most people buy. With max warp speed and implants it looks like you are saving ~15s over no warp rigs/implants, on an average warp of ~20 AU. Without ascendancys it looks like a ~10s difference on that same warp. The difference between 3x warp speed IIs and no warp speed rigs looks to be ~13s. so that vs a ~6% dps increase. pure blitz (as in decline anything non-favorable) probably the warp speed is better, but if you are running nearly every mission as they come then the DPS is probably a bit better. My basic Mach template, looks like you can swap to warp speed without too many issues. generally just seems like swapping from xl to large on the booster. [Machariel, Mwd 800s] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Gist A-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L Auto Targeting System I Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I [empty rig slot] Warrior II x5 Gecko x2 with arty [Machariel, MWD 1400s copy 1] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Reactor Control Unit II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L Auto Targeting System I Large Projectile Burst Aerator II Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I [empty rig slot] Warrior II x5
Thanks a lot for your detailed post, you gave me something good to use :) |
Garmyne Atavuli
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.26 11:54:08 -
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If you look from space the Earth has become concaved with a large sink hole in the middle. This was caused by the sheer weight AND volume of Lv4 Mach fits located both here and at a certain recently updated (and not for the better I might add....YUK) ship fitting site. |
stoicfaux
5541
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:31:27 -
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Chainsaw has the right idea with the MWD Mach. Back in the day I used this to blitz level 4s: http://eve.battleclinic.com/view_loadout.php?id=58393 It's a bit too pricey for my taste to use anymore, but it falls in line with what Chainsaw was saying.
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Arthur Aihaken
Narada
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Posted - 2015.03.28 12:48:57 -
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The best Machariel fit is a Rattlesnake.
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stoicfaux
5544
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Posted - 2015.03.28 13:38:10 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:The best Machariel fit is a Rattlesnake. Silly rabbit, we're talking about blitzing, e.g. how do you blitz scarlett in a rattlesnake?
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Nycha
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.28 14:11:29 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:The best Machariel fit is a Rattlesnake. Silly rabbit, we're talking about blitzing, e.g. how do you blitz scarlett in a rattlesnake? You blitz slowly. |
Arthur Aihaken
Narada
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Posted - 2015.03.29 04:06:47 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Silly rabbit, we're talking about blitzing, e.g. how do you blitz scarlett in a rattlesnake? Drones.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1003
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Posted - 2015.03.29 04:54:14 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Silly rabbit, we're talking about blitzing, e.g. how do you blitz scarlett in a rattlesnake? Drones.
that's about the same as answering "how does Santa do it" with "magic"
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Arthur Aihaken
Narada
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Posted - 2015.03.29 05:56:34 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:that's about the same as answering "how does Santa do it" with "magic" Sentry Drones. I personally like killing Scarlett twice, since it's a 5m ISK bounty each time.
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stoicfaux
5548
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Posted - 2015.03.29 12:33:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:that's about the same as answering "how does Santa do it" with "magic" Sentry Drones. I personally like killing Scarlett twice, since it's a 5m ISK bounty each time. Scarlet EHP versus: em: 5,786 expl: 9,000 kin: 7,500 them: 6,500
Sidewinder Garde II Alpha: 2,810
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1004
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Posted - 2015.03.29 14:26:22 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:that's about the same as answering "how does Santa do it" with "magic" Sentry Drones. I personally like killing Scarlett twice, since it's a 5m ISK bounty each time. Scarlet EHP versus: em: 5,786 expl: 9,000 kin: 7,500 them: 6,500 Sidewinder Garde II Alpha: 2,810
I got this! http://www.quickmeme.com/img/36/36456ab87e8e451857a4cf69367b01e68036846903f016a1ff96c3f10bbfb126.jpg
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GordonO
Evil Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2015.03.29 19:41:47 -
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I used to use a mach with 800ac's, 100mn ab(cap stable with this0 x-large sb, invuln and a mission specific hardner, lows were 4 x gyro and 3 x TE's. Mach doesn't do great kinetic damage though so found a rail vindi worked better. Drone boats are sub optimal for blitzing imo
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Arthur Aihaken
Narada
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Posted - 2015.03.29 20:52:07 -
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GordonO wrote:Drone boats are sub optimal for blitzing imo To some extent. But the Rattlesnake is a hybrid, and with the actual applied DPS approaching the 1600-range it's quite effective at taking targets out in short order.
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whiskeybreath
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.30 09:38:11 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:that's about the same as answering "how does Santa do it" with "magic" Sentry Drones. I personally like killing Scarlett twice, since it's a 5m ISK bounty each time. Scarlet EHP versus: em: 5,786 expl: 9,000 kin: 7,500 them: 6,500 Sidewinder Garde II Alpha: 2,810
I alpha scarlet with tachon lasers..easy peasey |
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Veld God
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.30 20:48:02 -
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[Machariel, Polarized - Hail] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L Corpus X-Type Heavy Nosferatu
Large Projectile Ambit Extension II Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster II Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Gecko x2 Warrior II x5 Nanite Repair Paste x200 Cap Booster 800 x10 Hail L x6000 Barrage L x6000
This is a great fit for blitzing. But let me explain, with the Polarized Guns you definitly need a Crystal Set. But with Crystals you got a 1.5k m/s fast ship, with 1511 Hail DPS on BS on 3+39km and a 560 dps Tank. Plus Geckos you deal around 1757 DPS with Imps etc.
It-¦s about 2.6 bil, but just try it. I was happy and really fast with that Macha. Dont fly it in know Code Space or travel with it many many jumps cause actually the Gank Risk is to much high, but thats in every ship worth more then 1 bil. |
Paranoid Loyd
4427
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Posted - 2015.03.30 20:51:27 -
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Holy gank bait.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Veld God
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.30 22:56:51 -
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Learn to avoid ganks. And just Post 2010 New Age Highsec Pseudo Pro-¦s get wet pants because of 2.5 bil Ships. Maybe join Code or Marmite or Deadly Fingertips or Spacewarriors (insert random ex- WOW Plebs. ;) |
Arthur Aihaken
Narada
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Posted - 2015.03.31 00:51:59 -
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Veld God wrote:Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Unless it's a CPU issue, I can't see an extra 300m ISK to justify a +1.25% tracking speed increase. You'd be better off adding a 2% implant for a fraction of that.
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