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Murderface Mona
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:49:07 -
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Needing a little assistance here if someone would care to explain things a bit: I have a ship fit up for pvp and it uses HAM's. I also have a medium neut as well.
- What ranges should I be engaging at since my neut can hit out to 12.6km and my faction ammo alows me to hit into faction disruptor range?
- Should I always be fighting in my neut range, except when trying to de-agress?
- I know HAM's are considered close-range, but should I literally be orbiting my targets at like 10km or will I want to stay near max range? I imagine that the target and their weapon system will help dictate this: Blaster Proteus will hurt at closer ranges, so naturally skirt around my max.
Is this thinking correct or is there something I'm missing here? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.26 21:34:26 -
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Yeah, experience.
it depends on what you're engaging, blaster fit brawler, keep it at range, kiting sissy, get on top of it. Bigger than you, get under it's guns
Lots and lots of variables, what's your ship?
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.03.26 21:34:54 -
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Like you said, it changes given the situation. If it's a short range blast boat you want to keep it at max range since you're not going to be able to neut out a blast ship with 1 neut.
Laser boats will match your range so might as well put neut pressure on them and get in close
other missile boats, doesn't really make a difference.
droneboats, doesn't make a difference
projectiles, get range and force them to use barrage. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.26 21:37:39 -
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The hull and fit your in will effect this as well so it would help if you told us that
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2015.03.26 21:45:42 -
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What Ralphie said. Although it sounds like an Orthrus,
Which although I have a HAM Orthrus. I keep getting told it bad. =(
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GordonO
Evil Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2015.03.27 01:31:43 -
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doubt you will fit a medium neut and ham's on an orthorus and have a decent anything else.. but I could be wrong.. probably a sac or Tengu or legion.. I would say stay at the edge of your neut range.. will keep you out of normal scram range so you can run if you need to.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:50:07 -
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GordonO wrote:doubt you will fit a medium neut and ham's on an orthorus and have a decent anything else.. but I could be wrong.. probably a sac or Tengu or legion.. I would say stay at the edge of your neut range.. will keep you out of normal scram range so you can run if you need to.
He mentioned that faction Ammo hits into Faction point range. So, it wouldn't be a Sac or Legion would it?
Also yeah your right. An Orthrus with a Medium neut tends to not have a tank. =P
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Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2015.03.27 13:30:28 -
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GordonO wrote:doubt you will fit a medium neut and ham's on an orthorus and have a decent anything else.. but I could be wrong.. probably a sac or Tengu or legion.. I would say stay at the edge of your neut range.. will keep you out of normal scram range so you can run if you need to. HAM Orthrus can fit a medium neut along with dual LSE easily
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract O X I D E
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:18:25 -
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Don't get it in your head that you need to fight your ship a certain way every time, as other people have said it depends on what you're up against and in what situation. Personally, I would view the neut as what it is on a HAM boat, a supplementary bonus to your launchers. Figure out the best way to do damage without taking any more than you have too, and then see if the neut fits into that plan. It is unlikely that a single neut will tip the scales in your favor if you have to get into blaster/AC range to use it, thereby taking avoidable damage, so work your strengths first. (This was a bit of a disjointed post, I'm distracted, but you get the point) |
Hagika
Doughboys Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.03.28 01:18:22 -
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HAMS suck, that is all you need to know. |
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.03.28 10:10:51 -
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Murderface Mona wrote:
- What ranges should I be engaging at since my neut can hit out to 12.6km and my faction ammo alows me to hit into faction disruptor range?
That neut is not a primary weapon. Think of it as a defence against things you have trouble shaking of of you.
Think of HAMs like short range guns. It may be possible to kite but they work better at brawling, so scram+web would be better suited for them.
Murderface Mona wrote:- Should I always be fighting in my neut range, except when trying to de-agress?
No
Murderface Mona wrote:I know HAM's are considered close-range, but should I literally be orbiting my targets at like 10km or will I want to stay near max range? I imagine that the target and their weapon system will help dictate this: Blaster Proteus will hurt at closer ranges, so naturally skirt around my max.
That maximum range is a double edged sword. You cannot treat the maximum range of missiles as a constand like on a turret, it doesn't work that way. Imagine you are chasing someone and your opponent is running away from you.
Since you both are moving, missiles will have a much shorter range than the maximum value because they need to accelerate and get there first, which cost flight time. You can estimate that with the exception of the Orthrus, a maximum of 30km for a HAM Sacrilege will be closer to 18km or shorter that's why you want to pin what you shoot.
That maximum range only applys if you and the target are not moving at all.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.28 15:49:09 -
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With the whole range part, I've flown a Sacrilege with HAM's at a range of 29 km... |
Arthur Aihaken
Narada
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Posted - 2015.03.28 16:59:50 -
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Hagika wrote:HAMS suck, that is all you need to know. Well, they suck less than heavy missiles...
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