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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.07.02 06:30:15 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote:Incorrect. CCP know precisely how many people are online (# of characters logged in) at any given time. They can't say main-alts on logged in players, can they?
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
291
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Posted - 2015.07.02 07:36:10 -
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Vishanka wrote:Izabella Li wrote:and the ones coming through are not there because of the zero skills at beginning and the 2 yr wait to fly a nice t2 ship or anything nice My character is about 3 months old and I'm quite happy with the Skills I have. I like the character progression and watching her 'grow'. I'm happy about every 'skill training completed'-message. Wouldn't like to have the possibility to just 'buy' skillpoints. Sometimes I think Vishanka is quicker at learning than me. I've made the experience that even my young character can already be useful in this game, and that's what I love about EVE.
feckin spot on. i still love to hear "skill training complete" keep it up
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
291
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Posted - 2015.07.02 08:04:02 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote: Does losing a travel fit capital pass as "using" it? Is the largest group in the game awoxing one of their own classed as "using" capitals? Sure there are still capitals being lost every day but most are not lost in a fight, so much as being unlucky to get caught trying to move them. Few if any groups will form a 100 man fleet so a guy can move his nyx, 90% of the time your on your own and if you get spotted, your dead.
ship undocked = in use regardless of reason.
how are most not lost in a fight? how did they die? self destruct? nope,,,,, they where lost in a fight. if you've got jump drive trained you've made the list of those worth shooting at. so if you move that cap alone and it gets ganked you should not be surprised even a little.
Sgt Ocker wrote: The groups who are still using capitals effectively are the same large groups who always did so, just not from one side of TQ to the other in 30 mins.
i don't understand, you've claimed through out this thread that this style of play is dead, yet now you say it's business as usually for everyone in a large group (they adapted) while anyone not in a large group has docked the caps and will never use them again. (they've not adapted?)
total and utter bullshite.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1199
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Posted - 2015.07.02 10:57:24 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote: Does losing a travel fit capital pass as "using" it? Is the largest group in the game awoxing one of their own classed as "using" capitals? Sure there are still capitals being lost every day but most are not lost in a fight, so much as being unlucky to get caught trying to move them. Few if any groups will form a 100 man fleet so a guy can move his nyx, 90% of the time your on your own and if you get spotted, your dead.
ship undocked = in use regardless of reason. how are most not lost in a fight? how did they die? self destruct? nope,,,,, they where lost in a fight. if you've got jump drive trained you've made the list of those worth shooting at. so if you move that cap alone and it gets ganked you should not be surprised even a little. Sgt Ocker wrote: The groups who are still using capitals effectively are the same large groups who always did so, just not from one side of TQ to the other in 30 mins.
i don't understand, you've claimed through out this thread that this style of play is dead, yet now you say it's business as usually for everyone in a large group (they adapted) while anyone not in a large group has docked the caps and will never use them again. (they've not adapted?) total and utter bullshite.
As an aside, I've found the Pheobe changes made using my Capitals (and Supercapital) much more enjoyable. Sure, the old days were better for my Dread (jump, seige, end seige, jump, seige, end seige, jump, etc as many times as needed), but for want of a better term, you feel less detached as a cap pilot now - you play the game the same way as everyone else, rather than playing a jump/cap management mini-game (down-side of owning a Revelation) while the subcaps play with gates. Granted, warp-speed mods are probably solely responsible for keeping travel speeds reasonable, and without them life would probably be horrific, but I've never found myself regretting the Pheobe changes for a minute.
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2015.07.02 11:25:30 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:i don't understand, you've claimed through out this thread that this style of play is dead, yet now you say it's business as usually for everyone in a large group (they adapted) while anyone not in a large group has docked the caps and will never use them again. (they've not adapted?) total and utter bullshite.
Not completely, there were "fire sale" of carriers and such quite recently (including my own) in Provi, atleast (if nowhere else), that I know...
Is ( =were) there anything else left outside big blobs really anymore? |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
599
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Posted - 2015.07.02 11:43:39 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Incorrect. CCP know precisely how many people are online (# of characters logged in) at any given time. They can't say main-alts on logged in players, can they? Nah, they can't. Whoever it is you're quoting doesn't understand that "people" and "characters" aren't the same thing.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
293
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Posted - 2015.07.02 11:58:55 -
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0bama Barack Hussein wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:i don't understand, you've claimed through out this thread that this style of play is dead, yet now you say it's business as usually for everyone in a large group (they adapted) while anyone not in a large group has docked the caps and will never use them again. (they've not adapted?) total and utter bullshite. Not completely, there were "fire sale" of carriers and such quite recently (including my own) in Provi, atleast (if nowhere else), that I know... Is ( =were) there anything else left outside big blobs really anymore?
fire sale also indicates they sold which leans towards them being used anyway. if they where not selling it might indicate something.. they sold yes ?
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2015.07.02 12:06:11 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: fire sale also indicates they sold which leans towards them being used anyway. if they where not selling it might indicate something.. they sold yes ?
Well I were few months ago very quick to react and gave mine to corp (so if they wanna sell they get something from "good times"), and there were still buy orders back then...
Pretty soon I saw only sell orders, though. And ships in contracts.
Tbh, yeah i don-Št really know what overall situation with Provi and caps is now (bet only CCP knows exactly), kinda fishing here for somebody that does still live in provi and knows... |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
334
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Posted - 2015.07.02 12:21:40 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Incorrect. CCP know precisely how many people are online (# of characters logged in) at any given time. They can't say main-alts on logged in players, can they? Nah, they can't. Whoever it is you're quoting doesn't understand that "people" and "characters" aren't the same thing.
Bull, CCP is completely capable of seeing the number of IP addresses connected to their server at any given time. How do you think they ban entire groups at the same time for Macro use or RMT even when only one or two characters are being used?
You also know they have individual hardware statistics they are now collecting through the program too... so not only can they tell how many unique IPs at any given time they can also tell you how many different computers in the same house you are logged into your various alt accounts with.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
600
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Posted - 2015.07.02 13:32:34 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Incorrect. CCP know precisely how many people are online (# of characters logged in) at any given time. They can't say main-alts on logged in players, can they? Nah, they can't. Whoever it is you're quoting doesn't understand that "people" and "characters" aren't the same thing. Bull, CCP is completely capable of seeing the number of IP addresses connected to their server at any given time. How do you think they ban entire groups at the same time for Macro use or RMT even when only one or two characters are being used? You also know they have individual hardware statistics they are now collecting through the program too... so not only can they tell how many unique IPs at any given time they can also tell you how many different computers in the same house you are logged into your various alt accounts with. Edit: Example of this was when they accidentally banned the entire IP address for the Michigan State University Freshmen Dorm after one player was doing some naughty bowhead dunking or whatever they were doing. Took a few days for them to go through and unban the IP and block just the hardware IDs of the offenders. Aggressive! You need to get laid? You seemed to miss something though. They themselves admit that they can not reliably tell how many actual people are logged in/own subscriptions. Funnily enough your own example supports that it's not possible to reliably connect characters with human beings.
I can create ten accounts on one computer using the same IP and they can't tell it's all me. Not even the mail address is a reliable indicator, because I could have a shared one with others. Or differently, I could use ten seperate mail addresses on the same computer on a shared IP. It's still not reliable.
And to evade a ban all you need is fake your MAC, use a VPN, use a new mail address and sub via PLEX.
But PLEASE explain me how you would do something they are struggling with!
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3765
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Posted - 2015.07.02 13:40:26 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Incorrect. CCP know precisely how many people are online (# of characters logged in) at any given time. They can't say main-alts on logged in players, can they?
Of course they can. They can tell the character, where does it log in from and which computer/device is running its client. They can also link that information with a specific payment method and the name of the individual who created the account.
This is how/why they ban ALL accounts of any infractor, to the surprise of players used to other games where bans are per character or account.
Now, whether a character is a main/alt, CCP can know how long does it log in, what SP it haves and trains, and other stuff like what modules it activates and who gets the effects of those modules.
The point is, TQ MUST know that in order to work, and then CCP just need to collect the data, store it and analyze it... and they do it, up to 50 Gb of logs each day.
But alas! Frame is the essence of art, and no amount of data serves nothing if you don't make the right questions, misintepretate the answers or just can't believe them because they don't tell you what you want to know.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
452
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:23:29 -
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Svenja Timofeyeva wrote:BrundleMeth wrote:No one gets a bloody thing... Predictable. Selfish. Bitter. LOL...
If anyone is selfish and bitter it's you...
Sounds like you'd want my stuff. But it's mine...all mine...to do with what I damned well please...and what the hell makes you think I owe you anything???
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Dersen Lowery
Scanners Live in Vain
1685
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:44:46 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:That, and nobody has any idea how many players EVE has had at any given time, not even CCP. The title is completely wrong. Incorrect. CCP know precisely how many people are online (# of characters logged in) at any given time.
Are you drunk? Players. I even emphasized it for you. Individual meat machines powered by wetware.
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I voted in CSM X!
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
452
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:49:11 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:[quote=Sgt Ocker] But they too aren't wrong - Everything dies eventually, it may take a year it may take 10 but it will happen. so bottom line is people will come, people will go, same shite different day. if this thread was indeed about the fozzie sov changes then why not call it something like sov and you and how you feel? No? i guess that title just doesn't grab peoples attention like an EVE is dead or dieing thread. or perhaps CCP took your toys away,, what ya gonna do about it? No? yea i guess what ya went with was better suited to your agenda. Diatribe of Drivel... Wow...what crap...LOL... |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
335
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:06:08 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Incorrect. CCP know precisely how many people are online (# of characters logged in) at any given time. They can't say main-alts on logged in players, can they? Nah, they can't. Whoever it is you're quoting doesn't understand that "people" and "characters" aren't the same thing. Bull, CCP is completely capable of seeing the number of IP addresses connected to their server at any given time. How do you think they ban entire groups at the same time for Macro use or RMT even when only one or two characters are being used? You also know they have individual hardware statistics they are now collecting through the program too... so not only can they tell how many unique IPs at any given time they can also tell you how many different computers in the same house you are logged into your various alt accounts with. Edit: Example of this was when they accidentally banned the entire IP address for the Michigan State University Freshmen Dorm after one player was doing some naughty bowhead dunking or whatever they were doing. Took a few days for them to go through and unban the IP and block just the hardware IDs of the offenders. Aggressive! You need to get laid? You seemed to miss something though. They themselves admit that they can not reliably tell how many actual people are logged in/own subscriptions. Funnily enough your own example supports that it's not possible to reliably connect characters with human beings. I can create ten accounts on one computer using the same IP and they can't tell it's all me. Not even the mail address is a reliable indicator, because I could have a shared one with others. Or differently, I could use ten seperate mail addresses on the same computer on a shared IP. It's still not reliable. And to evade a ban all you need is fake your MAC, use a VPN, use a new mail address and sub via PLEX. But PLEASE explain me how you would do something they are struggling with!
If what you say is true, then they cannot ban anyone other than the offending account. Every petition would have to be honored. But we know they ban everything attached to that account through Hardware/IP match. CCP would never admit to not knowing who owns accounts because of their Team Security procedures.
In my example, they banned an entire IP (which was a bad move) but later looked for the specific hardware ID and banned just the one Player and his accounts. (Later they declared it legal and lifted the ban anyways).
So you are wrong, they sure can tell individuals with multiple accounts vs multiple individuals... they just generally do not parse their data often enough to do that.
But you know darn sure that when the CFO is asked for revenue and data they parse the hardware ID along with IPs and give real subscriptions by the Human Being.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
603
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:10:38 -
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So CCP is telling lies. Okay!
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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
74
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:19:19 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:I can create ten accounts on one computer using the same IP and they can't tell it's all me. Not even the mail address is a reliable indicator, because I could have a shared one with others. Or differently, I could use ten seperate mail addresses on the same computer on a shared IP. It's still not reliable. And to evade a ban all you need is fake your MAC, use a VPN, use a new mail address and sub via PLEX. But PLEASE explain me how you would do something they are struggling with!
If someone is willing to fake a MAC address, or set up a fake mailing address just to cheat on a video game, they have bigger problems than we can talk about here.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3025
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:24:14 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:Incorrect. CCP know precisely how many people are online (# of characters logged in) at any given time. They can't say main-alts on logged in players, can they? Nah, they can't. Whoever it is you're quoting doesn't understand that "people" and "characters" aren't the same thing.
Your accounts are linked to a certain rl name .So yes , i do assume CCP knows how many people are playing the game or at least can make a verry close estimation of it.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3025
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:26:21 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
I can create ten accounts on one computer using the same IP and they can't tell it's all me. Not even the mail address is a reliable indicator, because I could have a shared one with others. Or differently, I could use ten seperate mail addresses on the same computer on a shared IP. It's still not reliable.
Allthough that is correct enlighten me why someone would make a lot of different accounts under different rl names and email adresses?You honestly think most people will do that?
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Marsha Mallow
2282
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Posted - 2015.07.02 16:04:42 -
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flakeys wrote:Your accounts are linked to a certain rl name .So yes , i do assume CCP knows how many people are playing the game or at least can make a verry close estimation of it. You get prompted to input your real name and address once you log into account management. You don't need to do this unless you are attempting to subscribe using RL funds (or attempting to transfer the character to another account). So anyone on an active trial (whether new player or old on a new account) is anonymous. If you sub your account indefinitely via Plex you are also never prompted for personal info, because you don't need to log into account management to apply a plex.
Rookie chat sits at 500-3000 active at any time which is a reasonable chunk. Add to that the long term plexed accounts. Then add people at shared IPs (such as University) or with a dynamic IP address which is reset by their ISP. Now throw in VPN users, or those who dial in from multiple IPs (work, home, laptop). I bet some people do use multiple email addresses for their accounts for security reasons. We were encouraged to link our accounts but it wasn't made mandatory.
An estimate based upon active users probably can be made but I suspect the margin for error is large enough to make it useless.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3025
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Posted - 2015.07.02 16:35:53 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:flakeys wrote:Your accounts are linked to a certain rl name .So yes , i do assume CCP knows how many people are playing the game or at least can make a verry close estimation of it. You get prompted to input your real name and address once you log into account management. You don't need to do this unless you are attempting to subscribe using RL funds (or attempting to transfer the character to another account). So anyone on an active trial (whether new player or old on a new account) is anonymous. If you sub your account indefinitely via Plex you are also never prompted for personal info, because you don't need to log into account management to apply a plex. Rookie chat sits at 500-3000 active at any time which is a reasonable chunk. Add to that the long term plexed accounts. Then add people at shared IPs (such as University) or with a dynamic IP address which is reset by their ISP. Now throw in VPN users, or those who dial in from multiple IPs (work, home, laptop). I bet some people do use multiple email addresses for their accounts for security reasons. We were encouraged to link our accounts but it wasn't made mandatory. An estimate based upon active users probably can be made but I suspect the margin for error is large enough to make it useless.
If you create a trial account it asks you for an email adres.As said , how many people do you think use different email adresses for all their different accounts?
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
337
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Posted - 2015.07.02 17:24:20 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:flakeys wrote:Your accounts are linked to a certain rl name .So yes , i do assume CCP knows how many people are playing the game or at least can make a verry close estimation of it. You get prompted to input your real name and address once you log into account management. You don't need to do this unless you are attempting to subscribe using RL funds (or attempting to transfer the character to another account). So anyone on an active trial (whether new player or old on a new account) is anonymous. If you sub your account indefinitely via Plex you are also never prompted for personal info, because you don't need to log into account management to apply a plex. Rookie chat sits at 500-3000 active at any time which is a reasonable chunk. Add to that the long term plexed accounts. Then add people at shared IPs (such as University) or with a dynamic IP address which is reset by their ISP. Now throw in VPN users, or those who dial in from multiple IPs (work, home, laptop). I bet some people do use multiple email addresses for their accounts for security reasons. We were encouraged to link our accounts but it wasn't made mandatory. An estimate based upon active users probably can be made but I suspect the margin for error is large enough to make it useless.
Regardless of your perceived notion that James Bond style account creation is wide spread... we also have CCP financial reports to compare to the logged in numbers over time. And guess what, as Riptard and others have pointed out they are almost spot on for correlation.
But yes, if you fake a MAC, use fake hardware ID, use a VPN, create a bunch of fake emails and only ever pay in Plex, you can hide your status from CCP
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Marsha Mallow
2282
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Posted - 2015.07.02 17:38:07 -
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flakeys wrote:If you create a trial account it asks you for an email adres.As said , how many people do you think use different email adresses for all their different accounts?
It's not just about paying the bills , it's also about being reachable on an email adress when your login **** goes bad as in forgetting passwords and having a hacked account.Sure some people might use different ones but i am assuming most people will use the same email adress for different accounts.So even if you don't use your rl name you will need to put in an email adress and using multiples , allthough possible, will only come back to haunt you one day. I'm not justifying people doing it, I agree it's a bit pointless. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've no idea whether it works as a security measure in case of hacking - depends how your account is hacked in the first place. But there are other reasons people may have unique emails across their accounts. Some think that if they buddy themselves it's naughty, as it should only be done for new players, so they use alternative emails to try sneak it through. As you say, if they have an issue later on with hacking (or forget their email/acc name/pw) multiple emails might make things worse. Some may have created accounts at different times and their primary email address has changed inbetween. It's not too difficult to set up your current email to import other emails in, and it's less hassle than going through to update your email on every service attached to it. Either way, it's not our concern, and players can do whatever they want with their own account management, whether sensibe or not.
Market McSelling Alt wrote:Regardless of your perceived notion that James Bond style account creation is wide spread... we also have CCP financial reports to compare to the logged in numbers over time. And guess what, as Riptard and others have pointed out they are almost spot on for correlation. But yes, if you fake a MAC, use fake hardware ID, use a VPN, create a bunch of fake emails and only ever pay in Plex, you can hide your status from CCP There's nothing 'James Bond style' about it you silly ****. I trade characters and generally have 40-60 accounts subbed at any time. Obviously I know at what point you input your info into account management.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3026
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Posted - 2015.07.02 17:52:08 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:flakeys wrote:If you create a trial account it asks you for an email adres.As said , how many people do you think use different email adresses for all their different accounts?
It's not just about paying the bills , it's also about being reachable on an email adress when your login **** goes bad as in forgetting passwords and having a hacked account.Sure some people might use different ones but i am assuming most people will use the same email adress for different accounts.So even if you don't use your rl name you will need to put in an email adress and using multiples , allthough possible, will only come back to haunt you one day. I'm not justifying people doing it, I agree it's a bit pointless. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've no idea whether it works as a security measure in case of hacking - depends how your account is hacked in the first place. But there are other reasons people may have unique emails across their accounts. Some think that if they buddy themselves it's naughty, as it should only be done for new players, so they use alternative emails to try sneak it through. As you say, if they have an issue later on with hacking (or forget their email/acc name/pw) multiple emails might make things worse. Some may have created accounts at different times and their primary email address has changed inbetween. It's not too difficult to set up your current email to import other emails in, and it's less hassle than going through to update your email on every service attached to it. Either way, it's not our concern, and players can do whatever they want with their own account management, whether sensibe or not. Market McSelling Alt wrote:Regardless of your perceived notion that James Bond style account creation is wide spread... we also have CCP financial reports to compare to the logged in numbers over time. And guess what, as Riptard and others have pointed out they are almost spot on for correlation. But yes, if you fake a MAC, use fake hardware ID, use a VPN, create a bunch of fake emails and only ever pay in Plex, you can hide your status from CCP There's nothing 'James Bond style' about it you silly ****. I trade characters and generally have 40-60 accounts subbed at any time. Obviously I know at what point you input your info into account management.
Yeah Marsha i agree on what you are saying about the reasons why people could do that and i am NOT doubting that people do this , what i am doubting is that a big amount of players do this.I am pretty confident a verry high percentage uses one email adress for their different accounts for the reasons given above.If that email adress is their main one or just a ''subadress'''doesn't matter in that regard offcourse.
So yes if CCP uses this info to get an update on how many people actually play i am sure the numbers will be off.They will however not be off in such a huge manner that they can not get an indication of the direction the number of actuall players is heading.
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Gyromite
Order in the Void Sev3rance
34
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Posted - 2015.07.03 04:49:15 -
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Cidanel Afuran wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:I can create ten accounts on one computer using the same IP and they can't tell it's all me. Not even the mail address is a reliable indicator, because I could have a shared one with others. Or differently, I could use ten seperate mail addresses on the same computer on a shared IP. It's still not reliable. And to evade a ban all you need is fake your MAC, use a VPN, use a new mail address and sub via PLEX. But PLEASE explain me how you would do something they are struggling with! If someone is willing to fake a MAC address, or set up a fake mailing address just to cheat on a video game, they have bigger problems than we can talk about here. my god the stupidity of this conversation.
I understand you are trying to point out character flaws in people who use a fake MAC, however you seem to imply that it's quite cumbersome while in actuality faking a MAC is quite simple.
(-Back on topic-)
Anyway, I like the idea behind FozzieSOV, I like the direction the devs are going, and I like giraffes. |
das licht
Aliastra Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.07.03 09:01:08 -
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OMG ... the dudes at CCP will lose their jobs s00n and i don't care much! Only 15000 online lol. |
Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.03 09:29:25 -
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Doomsday proselytizing will only turn people off from playing.
Regardless of whether or not the game is "shrinking" in terms of numbers, talking about it is only going to affect those who are still here to see it.
Threads like these don't slow down number decreases, only speeds it up.
"Oh, looks like 90 pages of conversation have taken place about how EvE is dying. Better buy more subscription time!" - no one ever |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
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Posted - 2015.07.03 10:29:35 -
[1828] - Quote
Thank you Marsha, but please don't wte your time. It doesn't matter to them what CCP says, does or that obviously if it wasn't a big deal for CCP they wouldn't have ever mentioned it in the first place. No, that's irrlevant and we should just let them keep their belief, because they deserve it.
omg i need to redo my picture!
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.03 11:32:59 -
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Numbers are getting low and usually seasonality can be to blame however in the 8 years I've been playing I don't recall them being this low.
How much of the decrease can be linked to the price of plex, jump changes, FozzieSov, multiboxing changes, the increased amount of a-holes that play the game, no "what next" after people achieving carrier, super carrier and titan skills and a game play that have become dull and predictable and sugar coated as game mechanics.
These elements,especially the Eve Community have been seriously disrupted and I can't see where it's going to bottom out at the moment. |
Vishanka
Starfighter Command Most Usual Suspects
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Posted - 2015.07.03 11:51:45 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:especially the Eve Community have been seriously disrupted Why do you think the community has become worse? I've mostly met friendly people, even if they attempted to kill me, but well, thats what the game is about, right? |
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