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Skraelingz
Gallente Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: James Draekn Amarr = Awesome armor tank, lots of lasers with great tracking Caldari = Long range missile kings, Electronics Minmatar = Quick strike (speed), zero cap use weapons (various damage types) Gallente = Close range blasters, Drones
why would i bother using this ship as a blaster boat with only 5 guns? -----------------------------------------------
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Ithildin
If you kitted the Dominix the way it was intended (blasters and tackling for solo play), it wasn't top predator any more, though, and was in some serious need of powergrid.
I have to agree. I dont see dominix having much of a chance vs a Raven now after the ecm nerf for example...we'll see.
Actually the Blasterdomi is currently the highest raw DPS ship in the game.
But yeah, its not easy to fit, to say the least.
You can setup excellent gank + tank setups with a simple cpu implant.
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Gryphin Rambaldi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling 6x Drone range augments 2x medium remote armour repairors
5x Omnidirectional tracking comps
5x TII Sig amps
Wardens....
You should be able to fire out to 180k with that, although locking is iffy (havent run the math on five sig amp II's).
I offically giggled like an evil madman for a good 30 seconds after reading that.
Thank you.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Ithildin
If you kitted the Dominix the way it was intended (blasters and tackling for solo play), it wasn't top predator any more, though, and was in some serious need of powergrid.
I have to agree. I dont see dominix having much of a chance vs a Raven now after the ecm nerf for example...we'll see.
Actually the Blasterdomi is currently the highest raw DPS ship in the game.
But yeah, its not easy to fit, to say the least.
You left out the theoretical part. You need AWU5, Energy Grid Upgrades 5 and four fitting mods to fit all that. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
James Draekn
X.E.N.O.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:30:00 -
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If you stay out of Web/blaster range you can shoot the drones down all the while warp scrambling the myr, all with the Hurricane. If you dictate the range. And without a falloff bonus the Myr won't hit you with blasters outside of 10km. And once you kill off the Drones you've taken half the DPS away from the Myr. Gallente can't counter half your DPS by killing your turrets, if we could I wouldn't complain. But since drones are a vulnerable weapons system, why not give us the ability to field 5 of our choice and have reserves, I think that alot of people would be happy to lose a turret slot to gain, the old (stat hold) drone bay back.
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Imode
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:38:00 -
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humm... i'd rather have 7/5/6 with a hybrid damage boost... ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes |
James Draekn
X.E.N.O.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:43:00 -
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I also noticed that the Myr has a 300m sig radius. So I guess that Torps are going to own this thing just like the brutix. The Caldari and Amarr BC have a far smaller Sig Radius, would be nice if CCP would balance this out by bringing the Myr sig down by about 15-20. To keep it more inline with the other BC.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:49:00 -
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With the Myrmidon as slow as it is, I wouldn't dream of fitting Blasters to it. Part of the beauty of drones is that you don't have to fight to be in your optimal range, freeing up the mid-slot that would have been an MWD (or AB). I'd fit the Myrmidon with rails, and let the blastertix's (don't laugh, they can be pretty mean if you're careful!) handle the short range uber damage.
I love drone boats, but 5 heavies would be overpowered. Basically, a Domi does fine DPS for a BS with nothing but drones fitted (hence 5 heavies at a time), so giving Myrmidon 5 heavies would give it the DPS of a BS, which would be absurd. If you don't fancy having no spares, try fitting it for 2x heavies and 3x mediums, using the spare room for a few spare mediums, or even a flight of smalls (for inty-surprises).
I somewhat aggree that being able to "reload in space", i.e. move drones from cargo to drone bay, just like moving ammo into your gun from cargo bay, would deffinatly allow you to balance it a bit better. -----------------------------------------------
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Imode humm... i'd rather have 7/5/6 with a hybrid damage boost...
I'd take 5/5/5 with a hybird bonus. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Firane
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:32:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Imode humm... i'd rather have 7/5/6 with a hybrid damage boost...
You're in luck: Linkage
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Firane
Originally by: Imode humm... i'd rather have 7/5/6 with a hybrid damage boost...
You're in luck: Linkage
<3
I think the meaning would be something like this: 7/5/6, 5 turrets, 10% drone damage+hitpoints/level, 5% medium hybrid damage/level. This would make it similar to the Dominix - you do realize that that ship has a hybrid bonus, right? Gallente drone ships should be using Hybrid weaponry, not nosses. Unfortunately Tuxford appears to disagree, as the use of turrets is strongly discouraged on this ship... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:38:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Ithildin Edited by: Ithildin on 24/10/2006 19:57:22 Edited by: Ithildin on 24/10/2006 19:54:16 It is supposed to make up for the two-three missing turrets and the missing turret bonus.
4x Ogre II = 4 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 24 * 2 = 506.88 thermal dps. No replacements. No small flight of drones. Negligible backup dps from turrets. Very, very, short operational range.
What I'm asking for is the drone bay to be increased so that it can accept backup drones. The dps will increase with merely 126.72 for a total of 633.6 - easily offsetting that there is no capability for damage mods on this damage!
However, the most important aspect is the backup drones. You can't load/unload drones from cargo to drone bay, if you could it wouldn't be such a terrible LARGE issue.
Edit: (425mm AC II EMP ammo) Hurricane damage: 346.5 With 3 dmg mods: 574
Hmm... actually the damage amount isn't the issue. Underlying issue with drones is that there's no limit on their use other than drone bay SIZE. *grumblegrumble*
They should really look into that. Make it so there's a stat on each ship limiting drone control, so that you can carry backup drones on, say, a Vexor, without unbalancing it.
150 m3 drones space .. lessen the dmg bonus to reflect the 4/5 dmg from domi with 4 heavies. so instead of 10% make it 7.5% or what equals 4 heavies with 10% dmg bonus. simple fix really ..
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:41:00 -
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Pic doesnt work
Anyone has one that works ? "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Firane
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Firane
Originally by: Imode humm... i'd rather have 7/5/6 with a hybrid damage boost...
You're in luck: Linkage
<3
I think the meaning would be something like this: 7/5/6, 5 turrets, 10% drone damage+hitpoints/level, 5% medium hybrid damage/level. This would make it similar to the Dominix - you do realize that that ship has a hybrid bonus, right? Gallente drone ships should be using Hybrid weaponry, not nosses. Unfortunately Tuxford appears to disagree, as the use of turrets is strongly discouraged on this ship...
What does NOS have to do with it, I don't see any nos bonus, and any ship can fit nos.
The difference between a Domi and a Megathron is that Domi has tons less PG to actually fit a full rack of hybrids and a tank. Giving Hyperion Drone and Hybrid bonus with a larger PG to boot would make the Brutix obsolete, and the Myr a pwnmobile. -----------
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Firane
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:55:00 -
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I say just give it 150m3 restricted to small and medium drones.
Or make a new drone class that is 20m3 per.
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Kapitanleutnant Mei
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:03:00 -
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this ship successfully performs excellently as a mini-domi, with a dual rep/ nos tank (the hP boost is a stealth NOS boost). I couldn't break the tank in my drake at all ( although i do have very low SP's in missiles).. Its a very stealty ship that dosen't appear as good as the other tech2's if you just compare stats but try it in action and you'll get a different picture
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:39:00 -
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I think a 125m3 drone bay would be nice. Give people the option to field 5 heavies. After all, they can lose their guns (drones), and without backup light drones they'd be very vulnerable to smaller ships.
With 125m3 I'd use 4 OgreIIs and 5 WarriorIIs. I imagine most people would do the same under normal circumstances. I mean who doesn't carry some lights to deal with interceptors?
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:45:00 -
[108]
with the hp bonus and all the 10 mediums wont last long vs this
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DeadRow
True Core
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:51:00 -
[109]
I cant wait tbh, THANK YOU CCP FOR THE MYRMIDON!
P.S: It looks awesome too! /DeadRow, True Core
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:55:00 -
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The real question is, do we need a mini Dominix?
I want ships that do things existing ships don't do, dammit. And the Gallente do not have a dedicated EWar boat above the Cruiser class.
Either the Myrm or the Hyp are perfect for it. Sensor Damp and EWar drone effectiveness, CCP. Please, make it happen. --- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?...
Former player of Andre Ricard (sold). Currently plays a Sekrit CharacterÖ. |
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:55:00 -
[111]
http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0610/omfg.JPG http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0610/omfg2.JPG
And yes, in combat it is teh pwn, even without ECM
WIth the hitpoint changes, a square off between this ship and 2 drakes lasted over 10 minutes
Dual repper + cap booster ftw ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete |
keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:57:00 -
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Neither does any other race, and that's because not many people want one. EWar is frankly a bit dull... like missiles ----------------
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:58:00 -
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With 5 midslots this ship makes an acceptable sensor damp boat.
Funnily enough, 3 tech II damps nock a drakes lock range down below med nos range ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete |
Malena Panic
Gallente Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: murder one No way. This thing is going to be losing it's drones left and right.
If only there were some kind of module that could repair damage remotely, and if only this ship had some spare high slots to fit them! And if only the ship had a bonus to that kind of module...
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Malena Panic
Gallente Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 With the Myrmidon as slow as it is, I wouldn't dream of fitting Blasters to it.
Wait a sec, isn't the Myr faster than the Brutix? (Same base speed, and less mass)
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Hablacraja
Relic Defense Initiative
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:31:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Malena Panic
Originally by: murder one No way. This thing is going to be losing it's drones left and right.
If only there were some kind of module that could repair damage remotely, and if only this ship had some spare high slots to fit them! And if only the ship had a bonus to that kind of module...
Your Sarcasm Accelerator II strikes murder one perfectly, wrecking for 194729.3 damage.
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: James Draekn
Originally by: Jim McGregor
You gallente boys need to get a hold of yourselfs. 250 m3 drone bay... are you at all interested in game balance? I would be embarrassed suggesting stuff like that for the minmatar...
Since you are a Caldari how about we chop off 2 maybe 3 of your missile slots on the Drake, oh and give everyone the ability to target your remaining missile launchers. Because thats what CCP is doing to the Myr. You counter drones by killing them, since drone boats usually don't have that great of turret missile slots. What do we have to counter your guns, nothing. We have to deal with the entire ship to deal with them. This is a balance issue, since we heard that the Tier 2 BC were supposed to be GANK ships not tank. Giving the Myr at least 150m3 of drone space would be appropriate, so it could run heavy drones, bringing its dps back inline with the rest of the class.
No no...I fly minmatar ships actually. And Drake looks too strong, but we'll see. And yes, I would also like to see some dps graphs with the new battlecruisers. I definently want balance to this game for all races, and gallente have been looking abit too strong for a long time now.
no, ecm and nosf made the domi strong. the mega is supposed to the king of close range. after kali, domi will not be as strong. the mega will still be. its caldari thats overpowered. and amarr is just a plain laugh.
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xenodia
Gallente RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 24/10/2006 15:00:42 Who else is OMFG EXITED about how sexy this ship looks?! Uber-vexor with 7.5% rep bonus ftw!
PICCY!!
I was excited about the prospect of the myrmidon, until it hit SiSi and we saw the stats/bonuses. Now im not so sure. I'll still try it out before passing judgement, but not nearly as excited as I was.
Lack of any damage bonus for the guns, and lack of turret slots in general means you are totally dependent on your drones for damage, which is fine for a drone boat. But im not convinced 100m of drone bay is enough for a dedicated drone boat that has no other significant means of damage. To do damage anywhere close to that of the other new BCs, youd have to have t2 drone skills and run 3 heavy and 2 medium drones. But doing that means you have only 5m of drone bay for a spare light drone, so youd better hope nobody takes out your drones or youre limping back to base practically defenseless.
I had kind of hoped for an Eos-sized drone bay, especially considering the lack of gun slots. As it stands, even the Ishtar has more than twice the drone bay, and t2 or not, its a cruiser sized hull, whereas the Myrmidon is a battlecruiser sized hull thats supposed to be a dedicated drone boat.
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Kai Lae
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Well, BC's are supposed to sit halfway between cruisers and BS's, right?
100m3 drone bay is too small.
The domi has 375m3, and the Vexor 75m3.
150m3 would be balanced without being overpowered. When pilots are faced with a hostile Myrm-thingy they WILL be killing the drones.
8 high slots...and nothing to put about 1/2 of them in. Not good. 100m3 drone bay, too small.
Better would be to have 6/5/6, same bonuses and a 175 m3 drone bay. That gives you 1 full set of heavies and mediums, or 1 heavy set and 2 reloads. Oh and for the nutcase stating it outdamages a tempest, max drone damage using ogre II's is 475.2 DPS. Max meaning gallente drone interfacing 5, BS/BC/CA 5, drone interfacing 5, heavy drones 5.
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.25 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hablacraja
Originally by: Malena Panic
Originally by: murder one No way. This thing is going to be losing it's drones left and right.
If only there were some kind of module that could repair damage remotely, and if only this ship had some spare high slots to fit them! And if only the ship had a bonus to that kind of module...
Your Sarcasm Accelerator II strikes murder one perfectly, wrecking for 194729.3 damage.
If only remote reps wern't completely useless due to lack of range...
Show me a small (yes small) remote rep with a 25km range for fixing my drones while in combat.
Furthermore, the 7.5% repair system 'bonus' isn't a bonus at all. Not when passive tanks are superior to using reps and the bonus is just thrown by the wayside anyway.
THIS SHIP NEEDS A GUN DAMAGE OR DRONE BAY SIZE BONUS. So I can stop putting autocannons on EVERYTHING. 220mm ACs > everything else if you don't have a damage or ROF bonus to a specific gun. Why would you ever put a cap using gun in a turret slot if you didn't have a clear cut reason to?
Because I said so...
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