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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.24 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: lofty29 on 24/10/2006 15:00:42 Who else is OMFG EXITED about how sexy this ship looks?! Uber-vexor with 7.5% rep bonus ftw!
PICCY!! ---
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Idara
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.24 14:54:00 -
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It's a Drone Brutix.
Give it +drone space and the same damage bonus for something different.
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.24 14:54:00 -
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all the BC's are pure sex tbh. -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.24 14:55:00 -
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I'm loving the 100m3 drone bay. Thats 4 heavies (or 3 and 2 mediums). That is good -----------------------------------------------
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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:01:00 -
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I got a piccy ---
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 24/10/2006 15:04:00 Edited by: Patch86 on 24/10/2006 15:02:16
Originally by: lofty29 I got a piccy
Oooooh......really?! I just got a Megathron pic! Care to share?
And you already did
EDIT: did I just say Megathron? Man this excitement has gone to my head -----------------------------------------------
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:02:00 -
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Good drone bay, repper bonus, sexy model. What's not to like? Slot layout's a bit lower on turrets (8 hits, 5 turret slots) than I'd expect, but then again everyone's going to be fitting nos anyway.
I think I'll be cross skilling onto this one. Not much effort involved. (although I admit, I've not seen what level cruiser skill is going to be needed, I'd assume it's not 5)
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Bazzaye
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:04:00 -
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I think we have possibly the best looking ship in eve.
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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 24/10/2006 15:02:16
Originally by: lofty29 I got a piccy
Oooooh......really?! I just got a Megathron pic! Care to share?
And you already did
Sexiest ship ever. Its like a naglfar / nightmare / catalyst. Im gonna get one of these as soon as its released, and omfgwtfubartank it ---
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:05:00 -
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Where did you get the piccy? Any of the other ships there? -----------------------------------------------
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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 Where did you get the piccy? Any of the other ships there?
It's from tri-exporter. I could get some of the minmatar BC, caldari one, amarr one if you want? The minnie BS wont totally assemble in it, and the caldari BS is crappy looking ---
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:09:00 -
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Heh, anything you can get would be great. I'm hungry for ship previews -----------------------------------------------
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Alhambra Rainwalker
Caldari Rosa Alba
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 24/10/2006 15:13:16 380.16 dps with Ogre II:s from drones with maximum skills. Same DPS with 3 heavy 2 meds but probably better choice because meds track better. Or optionally make 2 groups, one with 2 heavy 2 med 1 light and set of warrior II:s for more flexibility (and with less dps of course).
However, lack of addional dronespace makes ship very vulnerable to pilots who target the drones instead. One thing that makes Domi so good is that you ain't out of the fight even if some of your drones pop.
8 highs with only 5 turret slots and powergrid of 1375 with electronics 5. How would you fit this ship? Med nosses take 175 grid each and neuts 200.
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Private Iron
Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:31:00 -
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Vertical ships ftw. The 7.5% bonus is a nice addition to the usual 10% drone damage bonus. I can't wait -----
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50freefly
Caldari Purify
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:38:00 -
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I am SO fitting 5 or 6 nos and an uber tank on this thing.
Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
And they never meet.
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Talon Calais
Gallente Nubs.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:42:00 -
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Was hoping for something different, but oh well.
Vexor with brutix stats.
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Laythun
Undercover Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:43:00 -
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mini domi..
Undercover Brothers It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö |
wierchas noobhunter
Caldari Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:47:00 -
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now look at this u can fit:
5x electrons II 3x somethink .. ( drone stufzorzs) 10 mn ab, medium cap booster, 2x web , scrambler 1600mm plate , medium repII, 2x adaptive nanosII, dmg controler
13271 armor ty 0.o
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Talon Calais Was hoping for something different, but oh well.
Vexor with brutix stats.
Originally by: Laythun mini domi..
Its a BC sized drone ship- what did you expect?! -----------------------------------------------
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Cudeiro
Amarr Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:50:00 -
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This ship need a better drone bay o better bonus (like 25m3 per level), the ecm and nos nerf will hurt it badly.
"for the glory of General Tani"
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cudeiro This ship need a better drone bay o better bonus (like 25m3 per level), the ecm and nos nerf will hurt it badly.
are u nuts ? omfg that ships looks so overpowered 0.o u dont need ecm and even nos on it 0.o
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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:55:00 -
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5x electron II, med nos, 2 small nos MWD II, Web, Scram, Cap booster, Multispec 2x Med rep II, 3x EANM II
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Denrace
Amarr Psykotic Dreams
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Denrace on 24/10/2006 15:57:42 LOL @ the model of it...
Sheesh, id never fly it just by the way it looks.
Its like Ken Dodd in ship form.
Den ________________________________________
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.24 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 5x electron II, med nos, 2 small nos MWD II, Web, Scram, Cap booster, Multispec 2x Med rep II, 3x EANM II
aft just no point of ecm in kali L:) maybe tracking distributor :)
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: keepiru on 24/10/2006 16:00:16 It needs more CPU, imo.
Originally by: Denrace Edited by: Denrace on 24/10/2006 15:57:42 LOL @ the model of it...
Sheesh, id never fly it just by the way it looks.
Its like Ken Dodd in ship form.
Den
I think it looks hawt. ----------------
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starship enginer
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:01:00 -
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its drone bay is farr too small, one warp out and your main weapon type is gone
tux if ur reading this, give it 150m^3 drone bay BUT only a bonous to medium drones!!!!! so people dont use heavy drones there
on top of that, plates/extenders is pretty important on any ship so try dual 1600mm it with a small rep and 2 energized [or 1 energized and one dcu]
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Hablacraja
Relic Defense Initiative
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:02:00 -
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I do believe I will make it my mission to obtain one (several) of these perfect machines.
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:03:00 -
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Needs at LEAST 125m3 of drone space and bonus to all drones so that it can use a full set of *HEAVY* drones. The grid is horribly low.
Because I said so...
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Cudeiro
Amarr Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Cudeiro on 24/10/2006 16:08:04
BTW
sharlim class BC from babylon 5
"for the glory of General Tani"
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Sandzibarr
A.W.M
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:22:00 -
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personally I reckon it looks even nicer than a Sharlin.
ken dodd? wtf? doesnt even have a feather duster.
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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: murder one Needs at LEAST 125m3 of drone space and bonus to all drones so that it can use a full set of *HEAVY* drones. The grid is horribly low.
Its not meant to be a solopwnmobile. It can already use a dual rep tank, cap booster, MWD, 5 electron II and 3 EANM II with 4 heavies ---
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Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:26:00 -
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It's a Catalyst turned upward with a mini Moros added to the top and an extra dorsal wing.
Well, that's what it looks like to me anyway
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LWMaverick
Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter now look at this u can fit:
5x electrons II 3x somethink .. ( drone stufzorzs) 10 mn ab, medium cap booster, 2x web , scrambler 1600mm plate , medium repII, 2x adaptive nanosII, dmg controler
13271 armor ty 0.o
*orgasm*
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Alhambra Rainwalker
Caldari Rosa Alba
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 24/10/2006 16:34:50 Come now, you can do better than this. Almost whole thread is garbage. Post some fittings or something instead of drooling at nice looking model.
How does it compare to rest of the T2 BC's for example? That tank setup is a start.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:34:00 -
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There should be a hybrid damage bonus. Say no to nos boats! --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
GO MaZ
No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:55:00 -
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http://eve-files.com/dl/65759
For people who cant get on sisi
Crappy spin-round video just to show the model
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Alhambra Rainwalker Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 24/10/2006 16:34:50 Come now, you can do better than this. Almost whole thread is garbage. Post some fittings or something instead of drooling at nice looking model.
How does it compare to rest of the T2 BC's for example? That tank setup is a start.
Yay to the new BCs being the gankers and not the tankers. Again, the Gallente have proven that if you suck enough dev ****, you can have it both. I quit, I'm playing some BF2142. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Sathrai
Unlimited Blade Works
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Posted - 2006.10.24 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sathrai on 24/10/2006 17:00:20 Swap the rep bonus out for a +5 or +10m3 drone bay per level bonus. I'd rather they stick hard to their guns about making these things damage-oriented rather than creating two raw gankships and two gank/tank hybridized monsters.
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GO MaZ
No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat
Originally by: Alhambra Rainwalker Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 24/10/2006 16:34:50 Come now, you can do better than this. Almost whole thread is garbage. Post some fittings or something instead of drooling at nice looking model.
How does it compare to rest of the T2 BC's for example? That tank setup is a start.
Yay to the new BCs being the gankers and not the tankers. Again, the Gallente have proven that if you suck enough dev ****, you can have it both. I quit, I'm playing some BF2142.
Have you even actually TRIED to fit it? It doesnt get a damage bonus for hybrids, it doesn't get an overwhelmingly large drone bay. It does ~650dps with MAX skills and no damage mods (fitting for tank right?). Honestly, check the facts before you go crying. The drake does ~700DPS with 220mm II, and you can cut out a good 150-200dps from the Myr by just killing its drones.
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Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Nicocat
Originally by: Alhambra Rainwalker Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 24/10/2006 16:34:50 Come now, you can do better than this. Almost whole thread is garbage. Post some fittings or something instead of drooling at nice looking model.
How does it compare to rest of the T2 BC's for example? That tank setup is a start.
Yay to the new BCs being the gankers and not the tankers. Again, the Gallente have proven that if you suck enough dev ****, you can have it both. I quit, I'm playing some BF2142.
Have you even actually TRIED to fit it? It doesnt get a damage bonus for hybrids, it doesn't get an overwhelmingly large drone bay. It does ~650dps with MAX skills and no damage mods (fitting for tank right?). Honestly, check the facts before you go crying. The drake does ~700DPS with 220mm II, and you can cut out a good 150-200dps from the Myr by just killing its drones.
You put 220mm IIs on the drake...?
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GO MaZ
No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Darksaber64x You put 220mm IIs on the drake...?
Typo, I meant to say hurricane Œ_Œ
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Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Darksaber64x You put 220mm IIs on the drake...?
Typo, I meant to say hurricane Œ_Œ
I know, I was just being an ass, sorry about that :D
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Jongo Fett
Caldari Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jongo Fett on 24/10/2006 17:19:39 yer i just flew this beast before with the following setup
Highs: 5 t2 electrons 2 med nos 1 small Meds Mwd, 2 webs, scrambler,2 eutetic cap recharges (need new stuff here was in hurry) Lows: 2 MAR2, 1 Energized reactive, 1 EANP,1 DC Drones: 3 Wasps t2 2 Vespas
It tanks like a *****. Took on a drake it started at about 70k had me down to bout 2/3 armor before i was in range to nos n shoot. Lets just leave it at i was very happy with the ending.
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/8563/victorymygy7.png
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Cmdr Sy
Off Balance Sheet Entity
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:25:00 -
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I will be flying one. The detail on it... it looks awesome.
Makes the pixellated skin of ships like the Exequror look like early concept art.
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:28:00 -
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dear god people, please learn to put the pics the right place...
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El'jonson
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:34:00 -
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I would swap a few high slots for 200m3 drone bay, after all the description does say it has a huge drone bay which 100m3 isn't. Also vexor has 75m3 and the domanix has 375m3, so having 200m3 is about mid way so seems about right.
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Lojik
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:34:00 -
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This is just the ship i was looking for, and i think the drone bay is fine, 3 heavy 2 mediums and guns is gonna hurt and it can tank
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 PICCY!!
Re-upload! Re-upload, for the love of god re-upload!
/me clicks like a madman
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.24 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: El'jonson I would swap a few high slots for 200m3 drone bay, after all the description does say it has a huge drone bay which 100m3 isn't. Also vexor has 75m3 and the domanix has 375m3, so having 200m3 is about mid way so seems about right.
Clearly, 100m3 has been picked to stop it fielding 5 heavies. I aggree with thi- that'd give it the same daamge as a Domi, but without spares. 4 heavies is plenty for something BC sized. -----------------------------------------------
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Bob Niac
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:17:00 -
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*phap phap phap*
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Jaxtet
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:22:00 -
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So um how long until this goes live? :)
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:25:00 -
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Coupla months or so, depending on how many bugs pop up and how long thyey take to get f1xx0r3d. ----------------
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru Coupla months or so, depending on how many bugs pop up and how long thyey take to get f1xx0r3d.
Well, they have said they want it on TQ before december actually. But we'll see... depends on how smooth things go.
--- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:28:00 -
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I hope it doesent go live in december tbh, as much as I'd like the new toys for xmas I dont want the server to self-destruct over xmas thanks to new huge patch.
Valar deserves a good holiday for once ----------------
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: El'jonson I would swap a few high slots for 200m3 drone bay, after all the description does say it has a huge drone bay which 100m3 isn't. Also vexor has 75m3 and the domanix has 375m3, so having 200m3 is about mid way so seems about right.
Clearly, 100m3 has been picked to stop it fielding 5 heavies. I aggree with thi- that'd give it the same daamge as a Domi, but without spares. 4 heavies is plenty for something BC sized.
No way. This thing is going to be losing it's drones left and right. Right away people are going to be killing the drones of this ship. It's going to be horrible. People will be losing T2 Hammerheads at 2.2m each by the dozens.
I fit mine with 220mm Autocannons, 2 med nos, ab/web/web/scram/scram, small rep, 1600 plate, 2x t2 eanm and a dc. It has TONS of armor. 13.7k armor. It also moves at 173m/sec WITH THE AB on. It's a pig.
It takes FOREVER to kill anyone now. Plenty of time to target and kill all of someone's drones. Especially since drones themselves didn't get a HP increase. The main weapon system of the Myrmidon is complete crap as it's easily destroyed during the course of the fight. 100m3 is NOT enough. It needs 200m3, if not 250m3.
Because I said so...
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Skraelingz
Gallente Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:39:00 -
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i agree. not enough drone space to carry its supposed primary weapon as only 5 hard points is a rather bad joke. -----------------------------------------------
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Sahne MuhMuh
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:41:00 -
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Am I the only one who thiink that this ships sucks really hard?
Damage output and more gank than tank?! With just 100mŠ dronebay and no weapon damage bonus this ship will be oudamaged by a Brutix. (5 Ion II + 2 Electron II + 5 Hammerhead II)With all drones shoot down it will be just a pathetic ship. The slot layout and no dmg bonus just cries for another stupid Nosboat. And always remember: NOS isnŠt getting nerfed with kali.
If this ship will hit TQ in this shape I will just stick with my Brutix and going to use the Drake and Hurricane.
My *dream* Myrmidon:
5% bonus to medium hybrid Damage 20mŠ dronebay per Skill Level (200mŠ when maxed out)
6 High Slots 5 Med Slots 6 Low Slots
5 turrets ,1 Launcher
What do you think about it? It goes more the Ishkur/Eos way.
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EvilNate
Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Idara It's a Drone Brutix.
Give it +drone space and the same damage bonus for something different.
I'm hoping there is a rig to increase drone bay size, which might be able to bump this bad boy yo 125m3 for 5 heavies, which would own all.
Nate
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Gierling
Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:56:00 -
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6x Drone range augments 2x medium remote armour repairors
5x Omnidirectional tracking comps
5x TII Sig amps
Wardens....
You should be able to fire out to 180k with that, although locking is iffy (havent run the math on five sig amp II's).
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The other option (for more reasonable cruiser sniping ranges)is
5x 250 II's, 3x drone augments
3x Omnidirectional tracking comps 1x Sensor booster II 1x Tracking computer II
3x Tracking Enhancer II's 1x Magnetic Stabilizer II
1x Signature amp II
Wardens for a nice 120k sniper...
Anyone wanna run the math, Im at work and don't have time ATM.
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Hablacraja
Relic Defense Initiative
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling 6x Drone range augments 2x medium remote armour repairors 5x Omnidirectional tracking comps 5x TII Sig amps Wardens....
rofl
vicious, sir
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James Draekn
X.E.N.O.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:16:00 -
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Did they stealth nerf the drone bay on the Myr. It was originally supposed to be 250m3. If they are going to only put 100m3 drone bay on a DRONE BOAT they need to add 2 more turret slots, or allow us Gallente players the ability to shoot turrets/launchers off enemy ships. The other option would be to make drones unlockable.
If you are going to give us a drone boat, give us a drone boat. Or chop turret/launcher slots off the other races new BC to compensate.
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Kastar
Chronodynamics
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:23:00 -
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Linkage
More Myrmidon screenshots -----------------------------------------------
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: James Draekn Did they stealth nerf the drone bay on the Myr. It was originally supposed to be 250m3. If they are going to only put 100m3 drone bay on a DRONE BOAT they need to add 2 more turret slots, or allow us Gallente players the ability to shoot turrets/launchers off enemy ships. The other option would be to make drones unlockable.
If you are going to give us a drone boat, give us a drone boat. Or chop turret/launcher slots off the other races new BC to compensate.
You gallente boys need to get a hold of yourselfs. 250 m3 drone bay... are you at all interested in game balance? I would be embarrassed suggesting stuff like that for the minmatar...
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:32:00 -
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Jim, if you want a Minmatar analogy to the Myrmidon situation, imagine this:
The Hurricane has what it has now, with one exception - it's got 4 turrets. You're asking for the rightful 5th, 6th, and 7th turrets. People tell you "you've got to get a hold of yourself, it's got those fancy missile hardpoints, too."
As it stands now, the only difference from the Vexor is generally: a lot more expensive, easier to hit, better tank, and much slower. That's it. Not worth it. - What am I listening to? |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 19:44:31 Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 19:42:40
Originally by: Ithildin Jim, if you want a Minmatar analogy to the Myrmidon situation, imagine this:
The Hurricane has what it has now, with one exception - it's got 4 turrets. You're asking for the rightful 5th, 6th, and 7th turrets. People tell you "you've got to get a hold of yourself, it's got those fancy missile hardpoints, too."
As it stands now, the only difference from the Vexor is generally: a lot more expensive, easier to hit, better tank, and much slower. That's it. Not worth it.
It all depends. You got the option to field 4 heavy drones, while the others can field 2 or 1 heavy drone. Im not sure exacly how much dps 2 or 3 ogre II is, but I can imagine its quite alot when you have good skills? That *should* make up for the 2 less turrets?
Also you have 3 more high slots.
I would like to see some dps comparisons before I can say if its underpowered or not, but I know those Ogre II hurt like hell....if the dps shows that its not enough, then adding an extra gun would be easy. Im not against it... I think both you and me want balance between the races, and I like your posts most of the time. :)
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:43:00 -
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haha CCP wants you to make a mini domi outa this with no gun damage bonus is amazing!
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James Draekn
X.E.N.O.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
You gallente boys need to get a hold of yourselfs. 250 m3 drone bay... are you at all interested in game balance? I would be embarrassed suggesting stuff like that for the minmatar...
Since you are a Caldari how about we chop off 2 maybe 3 of your missile slots on the Drake, oh and give everyone the ability to target your remaining missile launchers. Because thats what CCP is doing to the Myr. You counter drones by killing them, since drone boats usually don't have that great of turret missile slots. What do we have to counter your guns, nothing. We have to deal with the entire ship to deal with them. This is a balance issue, since we heard that the Tier 2 BC were supposed to be GANK ships not tank. Giving the Myr at least 150m3 of drone space would be appropriate, so it could run heavy drones, bringing its dps back inline with the rest of the class.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Ithildin on 24/10/2006 19:54:16 It is supposed to make up for the two-three missing turrets and the missing turret bonus.
4x Ogre II = 4 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 24 * 2 = 506.88 thermal dps. No replacements. No small flight of drones. Negligible backup dps from turrets. Very, very, short operational range.
What I'm asking for is the drone bay to be increased so that it can accept backup drones. The dps will increase with merely 126.72 for a total of 633.6 - easily offsetting that there is no capability for damage mods on this damage!
However, the most important aspect is the backup drones. You can't load/unload drones from cargo to drone bay, if you could it wouldn't be such a terrible LARGE issue.
Edit: (425mm AC II) Hurricane damage: 346.5 With 3 dmg mods: 574
Hmm... actually the damage amount isn't the issue. Underlying issue with drones is that there's no limit on their use other than drone bay SIZE. *grumblegrumble*
They should really look into that. Make it so there's a stat on each ship limiting drone control, so that you can carry backup drones on, say, a Vexor, without unbalancing it. - What am I listening to? |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: James Draekn
Originally by: Jim McGregor
You gallente boys need to get a hold of yourselfs. 250 m3 drone bay... are you at all interested in game balance? I would be embarrassed suggesting stuff like that for the minmatar...
Since you are a Caldari how about we chop off 2 maybe 3 of your missile slots on the Drake, oh and give everyone the ability to target your remaining missile launchers. Because thats what CCP is doing to the Myr. You counter drones by killing them, since drone boats usually don't have that great of turret missile slots. What do we have to counter your guns, nothing. We have to deal with the entire ship to deal with them. This is a balance issue, since we heard that the Tier 2 BC were supposed to be GANK ships not tank. Giving the Myr at least 150m3 of drone space would be appropriate, so it could run heavy drones, bringing its dps back inline with the rest of the class.
No no...I fly minmatar ships actually. And Drake looks too strong, but we'll see. And yes, I would also like to see some dps graphs with the new battlecruisers. I definently want balance to this game for all races, and gallente have been looking abit too strong for a long time now.
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:52:00 -
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Its my personal oppinions that this thing is going to need more drone space for replacement drones or its going to have SERIOUS issues.
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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:53:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: James Draekn
Originally by: Jim McGregor
You gallente boys need to get a hold of yourselfs. 250 m3 drone bay... are you at all interested in game balance? I would be embarrassed suggesting stuff like that for the minmatar...
Since you are a Caldari how about we chop off 2 maybe 3 of your missile slots on the Drake, oh and give everyone the ability to target your remaining missile launchers. Because thats what CCP is doing to the Myr. You counter drones by killing them, since drone boats usually don't have that great of turret missile slots. What do we have to counter your guns, nothing. We have to deal with the entire ship to deal with them. This is a balance issue, since we heard that the Tier 2 BC were supposed to be GANK ships not tank. Giving the Myr at least 150m3 of drone space would be appropriate, so it could run heavy drones, bringing its dps back inline with the rest of the class.
No no...I fly minmatar ships actually. And Drake looks too strong, but we'll see. And yes, I would also like to see some dps graphs with the new battlecruisers. I definently want balance to this game for all races, and gallente have been looking abit too strong for a long time now.
Gallente have hardly been strong. It's been the dominix, vexor + eos that have given that impression. Drones, nos, ecm = win. Now that ECM is half as good (THANK GOD!!!) they'll go down in a synch ---
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:53:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Tasty Burger on 24/10/2006 19:54:16
Originally by: Ithildin It is supposed to make up for the two-three missing turrets and the missing turret bonus.
4x Ogre II = 4 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 24 * 2 = 506.88 thermal dps. No replacements. No small flight of drones. Negligible backup dps from turrets. Very, very, short operational range.
What I'm asking for is the drone bay to be increased so that it can accept backup drones. The dps will increase with merely 126.72 for a total of 633.6 - easily offsetting that there is no capability for damage mods on this damage!
However, the most important aspect is the backup drones. You can't load/unload drones from cargo to drone bay, if you could it wouldn't be such a terrible LARGE issue.
You do realize that with drones alone the myrmidon outdamages a hurricane? And that is with 3 gyrostab IIs. There, hurricane now has 3 less lows, only one highslot, and 4 meds to your 5.
Your post is absolutely ridiculous. With 5 ogre IIs a myrmindon would outdamage a tempest with autocannons and 2-3 gyro IIs. And outrange it.
You don't NEED damage mods. And you're forgetting that you an still put turrets on the ship for even more damage.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:55:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Ithildin It is supposed to make up for the two-three missing turrets and the missing turret bonus.
4x Ogre II = 4 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 24 * 2 = 506.88 thermal dps. No replacements. No small flight of drones. Negligible backup dps from turrets. Very, very, short operational range.
What I'm asking for is the drone bay to be increased so that it can accept backup drones. The dps will increase with merely 126.72 for a total of 633.6 - easily offsetting that there is no capability for damage mods on this damage!
However, the most important aspect is the backup drones. You can't load/unload drones from cargo to drone bay, if you could it wouldn't be such a terrible LARGE issue.
I need to see the dps of the other battlecruisers to compare. But in the end, Tux decides. Maybe he will take a look at the Myrmiddon and agree with you, and that would be fine. I just want balance, and not the kind of balance where gallente pwns everything close range, because thats exacly where mosts fights are taking place. We need balance in that range too.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:55:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Tasty Burger Edited by: Tasty Burger on 24/10/2006 19:54:16
Originally by: Ithildin It is supposed to make up for the two-three missing turrets and the missing turret bonus.
4x Ogre II = 4 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 24 * 2 = 506.88 thermal dps. No replacements. No small flight of drones. Negligible backup dps from turrets. Very, very, short operational range.
What I'm asking for is the drone bay to be increased so that it can accept backup drones. The dps will increase with merely 126.72 for a total of 633.6 - easily offsetting that there is no capability for damage mods on this damage!
However, the most important aspect is the backup drones. You can't load/unload drones from cargo to drone bay, if you could it wouldn't be such a terrible LARGE issue.
You do realize that with drones alone the myrmidon outdamages a hurricane? And that is with 3 gyrostab IIs. There, hurricane now has 3 less lows, only one highslot, and 4 meds to your 5.
Your post is absolutely ridiculous. With 5 ogre IIs a myrmindon would outdamage a tempest with autocannons and 2-3 gyro IIs. And outrange it.
You don't NEED damage mods. And you're forgetting that you an still put turrets on the ship for even more damage.
I updated post. You should read it. I'm not beyond correction, you know ;) - What am I listening to? |
James Draekn
X.E.N.O.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 19:59:00 -
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I'd like to see some of the DPS graphs for the Tier 2 BC as well. Minmatar pilots are getting a awesome gunboat (7 turrets), Caldari are getting a awesome missile platfrom (7 launchers), I havn't looked at the Amarr (I dont fly their ships), and Gallente are getting??? (a halfway drone, turret, NOS ship?) I would actually prefer, if for balance issues, CCP drop a turret and give us the 250m3 drone bay, since most Gallente pilots love their drones on DRONE BOATS. If a majority of my DPS comes from drones, so be it, if it means I can use heavies on something other then a Domi or Ishtar, and it only costs 30 million. I'll give up a turret for the extra drone space.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:00:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 20:02:58
Originally by: lofty29
Gallente have hardly been strong. It's been the dominix, vexor + eos that have given that impression. Drones, nos, ecm = win. Now that ECM is half as good (THANK GOD!!!) they'll go down in a synch
Be honest. You know gallente have superior ships in the megathron and the ishkur (or is it ishtar - i always get them confused... the hac, anyway) too. And the ecm nerf hurts ships that cant compete with the dps, like the Tempest. It doesnt hurt the Megathron one bit.
If the game was balanced, you would see every race being represented equal here. Its currently not. Most people play caldari or gallente. Its not random, its a choice they make. Wouldnt Eve be a much more interesting and fun game if all races had their strengths and weaknesses at every range? There shouldnt be one best race for most of the situations, because then Eve is no better than WoW with its shadow priests and warlocks. Paper, meet rock... this game should be more than that. I hope it still is.
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Alhambra Rainwalker
Caldari Rosa Alba
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:04:00 -
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That damage looks iffy...
Drone damage calculator at http://www.evegeek.com/drones.php gives one Ogre II with maximum skills dps of 95.04. So four of them is 380.16.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:05:00 -
[78]
Ishtar.
And ECM nerf hurts those who cannot fit a decent (non-nosdom of ECM doooom) set up on their drone ships most of all.
I believe an integral part of the AC (and pulse) problem is, as indicated several places, that warp scrambling and warp disruptors are too short ranged. Can't hold people if you're outside 20km unless you fork out for a faction disruptor.
AND NO, BRINGING MORE PEOPLE ISNT A GOOD SOLUTION to a problem that can be solved by decent game balance. - What am I listening to? |
Woopie
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:05:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Ithildin Edited by: Ithildin on 24/10/2006 19:57:22 Edited by: Ithildin on 24/10/2006 19:54:16 It is supposed to make up for the two-three missing turrets and the missing turret bonus.
4x Ogre II = 4 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 24 * 2 = 506.88 thermal dps. No replacements. No small flight of drones. Negligible backup dps from turrets. Very, very, short operational range.
...
Uhh, you forgot the 10% drone bonus and to divide with the rof, would be kinda odd if it had higher dps with 4 drones than domi with 5.
24*4*2*1.92*1.5*1.25*1.1/2 = 380.16 dps.
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Ipod
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:05:00 -
[80]
Its time to nerf gallante, they are overpowered in every way shape and form. And all they do is try to keep other races down by posting anti-other race replies.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:06:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Woopie
Originally by: Ithildin Edited by: Ithildin on 24/10/2006 19:57:22 Edited by: Ithildin on 24/10/2006 19:54:16 It is supposed to make up for the two-three missing turrets and the missing turret bonus.
4x Ogre II = 4 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 24 * 2 = 506.88 thermal dps. No replacements. No small flight of drones. Negligible backup dps from turrets. Very, very, short operational range.
...
Uhh, you forgot the 10% drone bonus and to divide with the rof, would be kinda odd if it had higher dps with 4 drones than domi with 5.
24*4*2*1.92*1.5*1.25*1.1/2 = 380.16 dps.
****. How could I miss that!? DOH! - What am I listening to? |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 20:10:04
Originally by: Ithildin Ishtar.
And ECM nerf hurts those who cannot fit a decent (non-nosdom of ECM doooom) set up on their drone ships most of all.
I believe an integral part of the AC (and pulse) problem is, as indicated several places, that warp scrambling and warp disruptors are too short ranged. Can't hold people if you're outside 20km unless you fork out for a faction disruptor.
AND NO, BRINGING MORE PEOPLE ISNT A GOOD SOLUTION to a problem that can be solved by decent game balance.
Yes, the ecm nerf hurts the dominix too. But you cant say that that ship wasnt a damn pwnmobile... you have to agree with me to some extent that it was. At least alot of people felt it was.
Anyway, I think longer range warp disruptors is needed too (30 km), because that would allow ships to stay outside gallente optimal if they are fast enough. Then I wouldnt have problems with gallente pwning 0-15 km, if minmatar could pwn 15-30 km for example. Thats one kind of balance that would improve Eve I think.
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Skraelingz
Gallente Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:10:00 -
[83]
you still cant deny this ship is rather weaksauce compared to the rest. it looks like it was halfway developed by the gallente then forgotten.
sir we have 8 highslots ready on the new ship. great! but we are lazy so you can only fit 5 guns since we dont wanna wire the rest up...
so hows that drone bay coming along gentlemen? well not to good sir we ran out of metal so we just kinda rounded it off and fudged it a little.
another thing i dont get... every other bc gets more high turret hardpoints and low slots compared to this thing wtf? is this balanced by our marginally higher mid slot count (coughlaughcough).
sad. ill stick to my 4m vexor for now. -----------------------------------------------
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James Draekn
X.E.N.O.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:15:00 -
[84]
Amarr = Awesome armor tank, lots of lasers with great tracking Caldari = Long range missile kings, Electronics Minmatar = Quick strike (speed), zero cap use weapons (various damage types) Gallente = Close range blasters, Drones
So when selecting tactics to go along with your ship choice you have to realize where your strengths are. Thats what makes this game great. But to say that Gallente shouldn't be deadly at close range is to say that the Gallente Navy combat doctrine is wrong. Gallente ships are designed to have a medium tank and overwhlem their opponents before their own tank fails. Blasters and Drones.
The only reason that Gallente are considered overpowered at close range is that NOS needs to be removed form the game (or at least fixed), as well as the sig radius problems of halfways ships fixed [Destroyer/BC]. And ECM is severly broken ATM. Fix those 2 issues and Gallente ships are just about equal to other races when used as intended.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:18:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 20:19:22
Originally by: James Draekn Amarr = Awesome armor tank, lots of lasers with great tracking Caldari = Long range missile kings, Electronics Minmatar = Quick strike (speed), zero cap use weapons (various damage types) Gallente = Close range blasters, Drones
So when selecting tactics to go along with your ship choice you have to realize where your strengths are. Thats what makes this game great. But to say that Gallente shouldn't be deadly at close range is to say that the Gallente Navy combat doctrine is wrong. Gallente ships are designed to have a medium tank and overwhlem their opponents before their own tank fails. Blasters and Drones.
The only reason that Gallente are considered overpowered at close range is that NOS needs to be removed form the game (or at least fixed), as well as the sig radius problems of halfways ships fixed [Destroyer/BC]. And ECM is severly broken ATM. Fix those 2 issues and Gallente ships are just about equal to other races when used as intended.
The minmatar advantage of quick strike isnt really valid when it comes to autocannons. They need to be able to stay in the fight. Thats one reason I dont feel that gallente should pwn everything up close, because you can never get a good game balance if they do and you at the same time CANT choose to fight them at another range.
If the game allowed minmatar to dictate range on the battleship level as well as it currently does on the cruiser level, then I would be happy. If a gallente ships gets close to me, I die, fine. But if I manage to keep at range, they die.
Maybe it all boils down to warp disruptor range in the end.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:19:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 20:10:04
Originally by: Ithildin Ishtar.
And ECM nerf hurts those who cannot fit a decent (non-nosdom of ECM doooom) set up on their drone ships most of all.
I believe an integral part of the AC (and pulse) problem is, as indicated several places, that warp scrambling and warp disruptors are too short ranged. Can't hold people if you're outside 20km unless you fork out for a faction disruptor.
AND NO, BRINGING MORE PEOPLE ISNT A GOOD SOLUTION to a problem that can be solved by decent game balance.
Yes, the ecm nerf hurts the dominix too. But you cant say that that ship wasnt a damn pwnmobile... you have to agree with me to some extent that it was. At least alot of people felt it was.
Anyway, I think longer range warp disruptors is needed too (30 km), because that would allow ships to stay outside gallente optimal if they are fast enough. Then I wouldnt have problems with gallente pwning 0-15 km, if minmatar could pwn 15-30 km for example. Thats one kind of balance that would improve Eve I think.
In the case of the Dominix I can only agree, with regards to the ECM-Nos-Dom setups.
If you kitted the Dominix the way it was intended (blasters and tackling for solo play), it wasn't top predator any more, though, and was in some serious need of powergrid. - What am I listening to? |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
If you kitted the Dominix the way it was intended (blasters and tackling for solo play), it wasn't top predator any more, though, and was in some serious need of powergrid.
I have to agree. I dont see dominix having much of a chance vs a Raven now after the ecm nerf for example...we'll see.
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Arushia
Nova Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:20:00 -
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What's strange is that the model seems to have 6 turret mounts, but the ship only has 5.
I'd much rather have a drone HP and damage bonus than a drone bay size bonus. It seems CCP wants this ship used with 2 sets of mediums, not 4/5 of a set of heavies.
I'd also much rather have a tanking bonus on it than a bonus to its secondary weapons (turrets). Tough i do like passive tankins bonuses (resists) better than active ones, but passive armor bonuses seem to be an Amarr thing.
As another poster has said, please do give us a rig for drone bay size. Would love to squeeze 5 mediums in an Ishkur.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:22:00 -
[89]
Well, BC's are supposed to sit halfway between cruisers and BS's, right?
100m3 drone bay is too small.
The domi has 375m3, and the Vexor 75m3.
150m3 would be balanced without being overpowered. When pilots are faced with a hostile Myrm-thingy they WILL be killing the drones.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:23:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Ithildin
If you kitted the Dominix the way it was intended (blasters and tackling for solo play), it wasn't top predator any more, though, and was in some serious need of powergrid.
I have to agree. I dont see dominix having much of a chance vs a Raven now after the ecm nerf for example...we'll see.
Actually the Blasterdomi is currently the highest raw DPS ship in the game.
But yeah, its not easy to fit, to say the least.
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Skraelingz
Gallente Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:27:00 -
[91]
Originally by: James Draekn Amarr = Awesome armor tank, lots of lasers with great tracking Caldari = Long range missile kings, Electronics Minmatar = Quick strike (speed), zero cap use weapons (various damage types) Gallente = Close range blasters, Drones
why would i bother using this ship as a blaster boat with only 5 guns? -----------------------------------------------
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:28:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Ithildin
If you kitted the Dominix the way it was intended (blasters and tackling for solo play), it wasn't top predator any more, though, and was in some serious need of powergrid.
I have to agree. I dont see dominix having much of a chance vs a Raven now after the ecm nerf for example...we'll see.
Actually the Blasterdomi is currently the highest raw DPS ship in the game.
But yeah, its not easy to fit, to say the least.
You can setup excellent gank + tank setups with a simple cpu implant.
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Gryphin Rambaldi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:28:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Gierling 6x Drone range augments 2x medium remote armour repairors
5x Omnidirectional tracking comps
5x TII Sig amps
Wardens....
You should be able to fire out to 180k with that, although locking is iffy (havent run the math on five sig amp II's).
I offically giggled like an evil madman for a good 30 seconds after reading that.
Thank you.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:29:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Ithildin
If you kitted the Dominix the way it was intended (blasters and tackling for solo play), it wasn't top predator any more, though, and was in some serious need of powergrid.
I have to agree. I dont see dominix having much of a chance vs a Raven now after the ecm nerf for example...we'll see.
Actually the Blasterdomi is currently the highest raw DPS ship in the game.
But yeah, its not easy to fit, to say the least.
You left out the theoretical part. You need AWU5, Energy Grid Upgrades 5 and four fitting mods to fit all that. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
James Draekn
X.E.N.O.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:30:00 -
[95]
If you stay out of Web/blaster range you can shoot the drones down all the while warp scrambling the myr, all with the Hurricane. If you dictate the range. And without a falloff bonus the Myr won't hit you with blasters outside of 10km. And once you kill off the Drones you've taken half the DPS away from the Myr. Gallente can't counter half your DPS by killing your turrets, if we could I wouldn't complain. But since drones are a vulnerable weapons system, why not give us the ability to field 5 of our choice and have reserves, I think that alot of people would be happy to lose a turret slot to gain, the old (stat hold) drone bay back.
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Imode
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:38:00 -
[96]
humm... i'd rather have 7/5/6 with a hybrid damage boost... ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes |
James Draekn
X.E.N.O.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:43:00 -
[97]
I also noticed that the Myr has a 300m sig radius. So I guess that Torps are going to own this thing just like the brutix. The Caldari and Amarr BC have a far smaller Sig Radius, would be nice if CCP would balance this out by bringing the Myr sig down by about 15-20. To keep it more inline with the other BC.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:49:00 -
[98]
With the Myrmidon as slow as it is, I wouldn't dream of fitting Blasters to it. Part of the beauty of drones is that you don't have to fight to be in your optimal range, freeing up the mid-slot that would have been an MWD (or AB). I'd fit the Myrmidon with rails, and let the blastertix's (don't laugh, they can be pretty mean if you're careful!) handle the short range uber damage.
I love drone boats, but 5 heavies would be overpowered. Basically, a Domi does fine DPS for a BS with nothing but drones fitted (hence 5 heavies at a time), so giving Myrmidon 5 heavies would give it the DPS of a BS, which would be absurd. If you don't fancy having no spares, try fitting it for 2x heavies and 3x mediums, using the spare room for a few spare mediums, or even a flight of smalls (for inty-surprises).
I somewhat aggree that being able to "reload in space", i.e. move drones from cargo to drone bay, just like moving ammo into your gun from cargo bay, would deffinatly allow you to balance it a bit better. -----------------------------------------------
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:52:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Imode humm... i'd rather have 7/5/6 with a hybrid damage boost...
I'd take 5/5/5 with a hybird bonus. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Firane
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:32:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Imode humm... i'd rather have 7/5/6 with a hybrid damage boost...
You're in luck: Linkage
<3 -----------
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:37:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Firane
Originally by: Imode humm... i'd rather have 7/5/6 with a hybrid damage boost...
You're in luck: Linkage
<3
I think the meaning would be something like this: 7/5/6, 5 turrets, 10% drone damage+hitpoints/level, 5% medium hybrid damage/level. This would make it similar to the Dominix - you do realize that that ship has a hybrid bonus, right? Gallente drone ships should be using Hybrid weaponry, not nosses. Unfortunately Tuxford appears to disagree, as the use of turrets is strongly discouraged on this ship... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:38:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Ithildin Edited by: Ithildin on 24/10/2006 19:57:22 Edited by: Ithildin on 24/10/2006 19:54:16 It is supposed to make up for the two-three missing turrets and the missing turret bonus.
4x Ogre II = 4 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 24 * 2 = 506.88 thermal dps. No replacements. No small flight of drones. Negligible backup dps from turrets. Very, very, short operational range.
What I'm asking for is the drone bay to be increased so that it can accept backup drones. The dps will increase with merely 126.72 for a total of 633.6 - easily offsetting that there is no capability for damage mods on this damage!
However, the most important aspect is the backup drones. You can't load/unload drones from cargo to drone bay, if you could it wouldn't be such a terrible LARGE issue.
Edit: (425mm AC II EMP ammo) Hurricane damage: 346.5 With 3 dmg mods: 574
Hmm... actually the damage amount isn't the issue. Underlying issue with drones is that there's no limit on their use other than drone bay SIZE. *grumblegrumble*
They should really look into that. Make it so there's a stat on each ship limiting drone control, so that you can carry backup drones on, say, a Vexor, without unbalancing it.
150 m3 drones space .. lessen the dmg bonus to reflect the 4/5 dmg from domi with 4 heavies. so instead of 10% make it 7.5% or what equals 4 heavies with 10% dmg bonus. simple fix really ..
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:41:00 -
[103]
Pic doesnt work
Anyone has one that works ? "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Firane
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:54:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Firane
Originally by: Imode humm... i'd rather have 7/5/6 with a hybrid damage boost...
You're in luck: Linkage
<3
I think the meaning would be something like this: 7/5/6, 5 turrets, 10% drone damage+hitpoints/level, 5% medium hybrid damage/level. This would make it similar to the Dominix - you do realize that that ship has a hybrid bonus, right? Gallente drone ships should be using Hybrid weaponry, not nosses. Unfortunately Tuxford appears to disagree, as the use of turrets is strongly discouraged on this ship...
What does NOS have to do with it, I don't see any nos bonus, and any ship can fit nos.
The difference between a Domi and a Megathron is that Domi has tons less PG to actually fit a full rack of hybrids and a tank. Giving Hyperion Drone and Hybrid bonus with a larger PG to boot would make the Brutix obsolete, and the Myr a pwnmobile. -----------
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Firane
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.24 21:55:00 -
[105]
I say just give it 150m3 restricted to small and medium drones.
Or make a new drone class that is 20m3 per.
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Kapitanleutnant Mei
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:03:00 -
[106]
this ship successfully performs excellently as a mini-domi, with a dual rep/ nos tank (the hP boost is a stealth NOS boost). I couldn't break the tank in my drake at all ( although i do have very low SP's in missiles).. Its a very stealty ship that dosen't appear as good as the other tech2's if you just compare stats but try it in action and you'll get a different picture
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:39:00 -
[107]
I think a 125m3 drone bay would be nice. Give people the option to field 5 heavies. After all, they can lose their guns (drones), and without backup light drones they'd be very vulnerable to smaller ships.
With 125m3 I'd use 4 OgreIIs and 5 WarriorIIs. I imagine most people would do the same under normal circumstances. I mean who doesn't carry some lights to deal with interceptors?
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:45:00 -
[108]
with the hp bonus and all the 10 mediums wont last long vs this
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DeadRow
True Core
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:51:00 -
[109]
I cant wait tbh, THANK YOU CCP FOR THE MYRMIDON!
P.S: It looks awesome too! /DeadRow, True Core
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:55:00 -
[110]
The real question is, do we need a mini Dominix?
I want ships that do things existing ships don't do, dammit. And the Gallente do not have a dedicated EWar boat above the Cruiser class.
Either the Myrm or the Hyp are perfect for it. Sensor Damp and EWar drone effectiveness, CCP. Please, make it happen. --- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?...
Former player of Andre Ricard (sold). Currently plays a Sekrit CharacterÖ. |
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:55:00 -
[111]
http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0610/omfg.JPG http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0610/omfg2.JPG
And yes, in combat it is teh pwn, even without ECM
WIth the hitpoint changes, a square off between this ship and 2 drakes lasted over 10 minutes
Dual repper + cap booster ftw ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete |
keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:57:00 -
[112]
Neither does any other race, and that's because not many people want one. EWar is frankly a bit dull... like missiles ----------------
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:58:00 -
[113]
With 5 midslots this ship makes an acceptable sensor damp boat.
Funnily enough, 3 tech II damps nock a drakes lock range down below med nos range ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete |
Malena Panic
Gallente Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:25:00 -
[114]
Originally by: murder one No way. This thing is going to be losing it's drones left and right.
If only there were some kind of module that could repair damage remotely, and if only this ship had some spare high slots to fit them! And if only the ship had a bonus to that kind of module...
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Malena Panic
Gallente Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:28:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Patch86 With the Myrmidon as slow as it is, I wouldn't dream of fitting Blasters to it.
Wait a sec, isn't the Myr faster than the Brutix? (Same base speed, and less mass)
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Hablacraja
Relic Defense Initiative
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:31:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Malena Panic
Originally by: murder one No way. This thing is going to be losing it's drones left and right.
If only there were some kind of module that could repair damage remotely, and if only this ship had some spare high slots to fit them! And if only the ship had a bonus to that kind of module...
Your Sarcasm Accelerator II strikes murder one perfectly, wrecking for 194729.3 damage.
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:35:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: James Draekn
Originally by: Jim McGregor
You gallente boys need to get a hold of yourselfs. 250 m3 drone bay... are you at all interested in game balance? I would be embarrassed suggesting stuff like that for the minmatar...
Since you are a Caldari how about we chop off 2 maybe 3 of your missile slots on the Drake, oh and give everyone the ability to target your remaining missile launchers. Because thats what CCP is doing to the Myr. You counter drones by killing them, since drone boats usually don't have that great of turret missile slots. What do we have to counter your guns, nothing. We have to deal with the entire ship to deal with them. This is a balance issue, since we heard that the Tier 2 BC were supposed to be GANK ships not tank. Giving the Myr at least 150m3 of drone space would be appropriate, so it could run heavy drones, bringing its dps back inline with the rest of the class.
No no...I fly minmatar ships actually. And Drake looks too strong, but we'll see. And yes, I would also like to see some dps graphs with the new battlecruisers. I definently want balance to this game for all races, and gallente have been looking abit too strong for a long time now.
no, ecm and nosf made the domi strong. the mega is supposed to the king of close range. after kali, domi will not be as strong. the mega will still be. its caldari thats overpowered. and amarr is just a plain laugh.
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xenodia
Gallente RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:50:00 -
[118]
Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 24/10/2006 15:00:42 Who else is OMFG EXITED about how sexy this ship looks?! Uber-vexor with 7.5% rep bonus ftw!
PICCY!!
I was excited about the prospect of the myrmidon, until it hit SiSi and we saw the stats/bonuses. Now im not so sure. I'll still try it out before passing judgement, but not nearly as excited as I was.
Lack of any damage bonus for the guns, and lack of turret slots in general means you are totally dependent on your drones for damage, which is fine for a drone boat. But im not convinced 100m of drone bay is enough for a dedicated drone boat that has no other significant means of damage. To do damage anywhere close to that of the other new BCs, youd have to have t2 drone skills and run 3 heavy and 2 medium drones. But doing that means you have only 5m of drone bay for a spare light drone, so youd better hope nobody takes out your drones or youre limping back to base practically defenseless.
I had kind of hoped for an Eos-sized drone bay, especially considering the lack of gun slots. As it stands, even the Ishtar has more than twice the drone bay, and t2 or not, its a cruiser sized hull, whereas the Myrmidon is a battlecruiser sized hull thats supposed to be a dedicated drone boat.
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Kai Lae
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.24 23:56:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Butter Dog Well, BC's are supposed to sit halfway between cruisers and BS's, right?
100m3 drone bay is too small.
The domi has 375m3, and the Vexor 75m3.
150m3 would be balanced without being overpowered. When pilots are faced with a hostile Myrm-thingy they WILL be killing the drones.
8 high slots...and nothing to put about 1/2 of them in. Not good. 100m3 drone bay, too small.
Better would be to have 6/5/6, same bonuses and a 175 m3 drone bay. That gives you 1 full set of heavies and mediums, or 1 heavy set and 2 reloads. Oh and for the nutcase stating it outdamages a tempest, max drone damage using ogre II's is 475.2 DPS. Max meaning gallente drone interfacing 5, BS/BC/CA 5, drone interfacing 5, heavy drones 5.
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.25 00:03:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Hablacraja
Originally by: Malena Panic
Originally by: murder one No way. This thing is going to be losing it's drones left and right.
If only there were some kind of module that could repair damage remotely, and if only this ship had some spare high slots to fit them! And if only the ship had a bonus to that kind of module...
Your Sarcasm Accelerator II strikes murder one perfectly, wrecking for 194729.3 damage.
If only remote reps wern't completely useless due to lack of range...
Show me a small (yes small) remote rep with a 25km range for fixing my drones while in combat.
Furthermore, the 7.5% repair system 'bonus' isn't a bonus at all. Not when passive tanks are superior to using reps and the bonus is just thrown by the wayside anyway.
THIS SHIP NEEDS A GUN DAMAGE OR DRONE BAY SIZE BONUS. So I can stop putting autocannons on EVERYTHING. 220mm ACs > everything else if you don't have a damage or ROF bonus to a specific gun. Why would you ever put a cap using gun in a turret slot if you didn't have a clear cut reason to?
Because I said so...
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king jks
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:47:00 -
[121]
Holy ****...! I hate the catalyst, hate the vexor, naglfar is ok, but that thing is probably one of the sexiest things I have ever seen. MUST HAVE.
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Sev Renard
Gallente Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.10.25 06:13:00 -
[122]
<blasphemy> How does this thing do with a passive shieldtank? </blaspehmy> _________________________________________
I wonder which will come first, my portrait, or a sig hijack... |
Kra RA
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Posted - 2006.10.25 08:51:00 -
[123]
6 or 7/5/6 and at least 125 m2 must have!
what good from 8 hislots on drone boat??? i prefer to tank armor.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.10.25 08:54:00 -
[124]
I was thinking of investigating something along the lines of 5x T2 Light Neutron Blasters (its got no bonus to Med's anyway), along with 3x NOS and 3 x +Hybrid Damage rigs, and then tanking the ass out of the low slots. I cant get the numbers...but would a dual rep + Plate fit on....?
The only downside to +Damage is +Powergrid needs on Hybrids are increased...oh no! Like it'll make much difference with Light Neuts on a BC.
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.25 08:57:00 -
[125]
I'd use drone rigs myself, but that might work too :) ----------------
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:07:00 -
[126]
Originally by: keepiru I'd use drone rigs myself, but that might work too :)
drone rigs? for what? drone hp? everything else is pretty much crap for pvp.
Because I said so...
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:10:00 -
[127]
Yup. 2x Drone HP & 1x Powergrid, probably. ----------------
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:16:00 -
[128]
Why does the model have 6 turret HPs and stats get only 5 !?
This ship either needs 125m3 drone bay, which would be too powerful, or a 6th turret HP.
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AsfALT
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:33:00 -
[129]
Edited by: AsfALT on 25/10/2006 09:33:09 To all the ppl that complain about the myrm... u are creazy... it will be a great ship.
It dosen't need more drone space... it is not designed to pawn bs by itself... and the 5 turrets are ok.
Ofcourse i would like to have a 8/8/8 fitting, 1000 m3 drone bay, 30000mw and 3000 cpu, but hey... could that be overpowered... nah... let's bring it :))
Funny stuff... some ppl are never happy... this is not a game where u train for something that is the biggest the best, better then the rest (clawfinger :P )...
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El'jonson
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:58:00 -
[130]
I notice alot of whining about 'it shouldn't have the same power as a domi'. If you look at the mineral cost it costs nearly as much as a domi. Also if you want turrets fly a brutix.
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A Scriv
Guardians Of Poseidon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:00:00 -
[131]
imho i think the dronebay is right size, just one step up from vexor without coming into bs (domi) territory. if ya want more buy domi or ishtar, and tbh i bet domi not gunna cost much more than this.
if ya want more turret slots, get a brutix it is still gunna be a good ship.
and when it comes to ppl killing drones, i dont really get that with my vexor so why would it change with this.
personally as i love my vex, and this is gunna be better with a harder tank ill def be getting one for PvP just have to transfer vex fitting over yarrrr!
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:02:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 25/10/2006 10:02:31 I imagine t1 bs will only cost 10~ mil more than the tier 2 bc + a little more for the bigger insurance cost, so yeh. Iskwise it's probably always going to make sense to go up to the BS level =p.
That's why I still don't have BC, and still won't even with the Drake. I'd rather just fly a raven.
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Sadist
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:06:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Kunming Why does the model have 6 turret HPs and stats get only 5 !?
This ship either needs 125m3 drone bay, which would be too powerful, or a 6th turret HP.
Wtf, too powerful? Even if you give it 200 m3 drone bay, that will barely bring it up to line with the other BC's, especially the drake and hurricane. It needs another 200 PG or so, and an extra low slot. Maybe then it'll be a decent boat, but until then, it's a pile of garbage. òòòòòòòòòòòò
VIP member of the [23]
Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
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Sandzibarr
A.W.M
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:12:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 25/10/2006 10:02:31 I imagine t1 bs will only cost 10~ mil more than the tier 2 bc + a little more for the bigger insurance cost, so yeh. Iskwise it's probably always going to make sense to go up to the BS level =p.
That's why I still don't have BC, and still won't even with the Drake. I'd rather just fly a raven.
looked like around 35mil for a myrm - compared to 26 odd for a brut - with my non existant building skills.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:14:00 -
[135]
Well it looks absolutely great (in fact I think it's the prettiest new ship to come out, but that's just me).
A drone boat without a useless bonus yay!! Well almost ofcourse, but hey, I'll take it. The 100 m^3 drone bay is just silly tbh.
vexor - 75 mym - 100 domi - 375
Steep curve.. I agree the bonus is too much for a full heavy drone set.. so what would be a balanced solution? Yes, make the drone bay 150 m^3 and the 10% drone bonus either:
- for all drones but heavy drones (my pref solution ofcourse, I like sentry drones and the ship could be a nice sniper aid with 5 sentries and 5 lights, 8 high slots for support and such) - for scout drones only (that means light and medium combat drones, I can live with that and with 150 m^3 you can take 2 sets of lights and mediums, nice)
If those obvious turret platforms on the ship are actually the hardpoints I would like 6 turret hardpoints if only because otherwise it would just be silly. Or are they also for rigs or summin?
I'll get one if only because it's the onlt viable drone ship coming out (curse you Tux :P) but 100 m^3 is wrong (and 250 m^3 is absurd, I say 150, at max 175)...
- All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me - Pure drone user... give us a mini carrier and faction Typhoon and Dominix please |
Cycerin Strikebeam
Gallente House of Tempers
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:53:00 -
[136]
Needs space for a few spare drones, and the sig radius is gonna get it raped vs. torps..
I was really looking forward to this ship but.. Now it's basically a dwarf Domi.
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Temo Jick
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:56:00 -
[137]
I just want to say, whoe ever had the job of turning the concept art into the 3d modal is a God.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:14:00 -
[138]
this is the setup i have used on the test server...
5 Electron II, 1 Med nos, 2 small nos MWD - Cap injector - Web - Scram - Painter 2 x Med Rep II, 2 EANM II, DC
4 x Ogre II
I know its a bit 'brutix' but it sure does work!
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AsfALT
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:21:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Butter Dog this is the setup i have used on the test server...
5 Electron II, 1 Med nos, 2 small nos MWD - Cap injector - Web - Scram - Painter 2 x Med Rep II, 2 EANM II, DC
4 x Ogre II
I know its a bit 'brutix' but it sure does work!
Won't a double webber work better then web+painter?
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:32:00 -
[140]
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: murder one Needs at LEAST 125m3 of drone space and bonus to all drones so that it can use a full set of *HEAVY* drones. The grid is horribly low.
Its not meant to be a solopwnmobile. It can already use a dual rep tank, cap booster, MWD, 5 electron II and 3 EANM II with 4 heavies
sooo sexy
This corp is recruiting.
Billboard Project |
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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:34:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Samirol
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: murder one Needs at LEAST 125m3 of drone space and bonus to all drones so that it can use a full set of *HEAVY* drones. The grid is horribly low.
Its not meant to be a solopwnmobile. It can already use a dual rep tank, cap booster, MWD, 5 electron II and 3 EANM II with 4 heavies
sooo sexy
I honestly dont get why people are complaining so much about everything else tho. They got what they asked for (8 tachy on abaddon, do-or-die gankage on the hyperion, snipage on a rokh, close-range ganking on the maelstrom). Now its 'Buuhuu we want a missel abaddon' and 'Buuhuu why cant we fit 8 neutrons and a tank on the hyperion'. Its a little something called ballance, asshates ---
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:39:00 -
[142]
Uh. I think a majority complaint on the Hyperion is that it's supposed to have a tank. And that it's supposed to have the same role as the Megathron. - What am I listening to? |
Emroth
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:41:00 -
[143]
4-5 days ago i spoke with a fellow evefriend and i showed him pics of the Naglfar. I told him that that was the best looking ship in eve and now, pow! I see screens of the Myrmidon and fall in love, anyway. Could anyone link what skills are needed for this beauty? My gallentechar is quite fresh and i want to know what skills i need to be able to control this beauty.
- Emroth
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:42:00 -
[144]
*sigh*
Tier 2 means level 2. Tier 3 means level 3.
They're tech 1 ships, not tech 2. - What am I listening to? |
Emroth
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:48:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Ithildin *sigh*
Tier 2 means level 2. Tier 3 means level 3.
They're tech 1 ships, not tech 2.
No need to sigh, as i stated im new to the race gallente, and my other char (as in one of the two i have) was created 1 and a half year ago and its over a year since last time i logged in with that character.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:48:00 -
[146]
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Samirol
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: murder one Needs at LEAST 125m3 of drone space and bonus to all drones so that it can use a full set of *HEAVY* drones. The grid is horribly low.
Its not meant to be a solopwnmobile. It can already use a dual rep tank, cap booster, MWD, 5 electron II and 3 EANM II with 4 heavies
sooo sexy
I honestly dont get why people are complaining so much about everything else tho. They got what they asked for (8 tachy on abaddon, do-or-die gankage on the hyperion, snipage on a rokh, close-range ganking on the maelstrom). Now its 'Buuhuu we want a missel abaddon' and 'Buuhuu why cant we fit 8 neutrons and a tank on the hyperion'. Its a little something called ballance, asshates
i think the hyperion is overwhelmingly meh, simply because of no tracking and the nerf to t2 hybrid charges. It pretty much demands that you fit a tracking enhancer.
BUT it is do or die gankage, but I would have preferred a sensor damp boat for variety.
This corp is recruiting.
Billboard Project |
Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:50:00 -
[147]
Well, it's just that it's the 4711th time it's asked. At least you did it in a related thread instead of making a new one, so I'll give you that:
Gallente Cruiser III Spaceship Command IV Battlecruisers II
Although, interestingly enough, on test server they've only got level 1 Battlecruisers requirement. - What am I listening to? |
Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:51:00 -
[148]
Originally by: AsfALT
Originally by: Butter Dog this is the setup i have used on the test server...
5 Electron II, 1 Med nos, 2 small nos MWD - Cap injector - Web - Scram - Painter 2 x Med Rep II, 2 EANM II, DC
4 x Ogre II
I know its a bit 'brutix' but it sure does work!
Won't a double webber work better then web+painter?
I don't think so, no. Ogres need a little bit of movement to hit small targets.
Remember, these are medium blasters... tracking is not amazing but I'd save the double webber for the Hyperion.
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Oedus Caro
Caldari Caldari Deep Space Ventures
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:58:00 -
[149]
Has Tux given any direct confirmation that the ship is supposed to have only 5 turret hardpoints? I wouldn't have doubted it but for the fact that the ship's model has what appear to be 6 turret hardpoints. Perhaps someone has already pointed this out, and if so my apologies for the redundancy.
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Emroth
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:00:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Ithildin Well, it's just that it's the 4711th time it's asked. At least you did it in a related thread instead of making a new one, so I'll give you that:
Gallente Cruiser III Spaceship Command IV Battlecruisers II
Although, interestingly enough, on test server they've only got level 1 Battlecruisers requirement.
Already in a brutix, thanks tho'
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Centurin
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:08:00 -
[151]
Has anyone actually flown this on the test server? I'm eager to here how it did. ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime |
Heelay Ashrum
Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:08:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 25/10/2006 14:11:19 This ship it's all wrong!!!!
vexor drone bay: 75M3 vs myrmdor drone bay: 100m3 ???????????????????
So this ship have one more heavy drone, 1 more turret ( without hybrys) ? Are we crazy?????? A vexor with 4 turret will make the same dps with turrets as this ship ( 4 turrets + 25% dammage = 5 turrets without dammage bonus)
Obviusly can tank a lot more but once someone destroyed your drones u are anyway death. No matter if u take 2 or 10 mins to die. I'm a strong drone user, and immagine to have a ship without a single replacement is simply stupid. This it's not a drone ship. Nor a gunship ... what is the role for this ship?
Using medium drones it's even worse because this way there is not any reason to use it at all!!! vexor can launch 5 mediums as this... Even the brutix ( the supposed gunghip) can !
i hive should him:
hi slot: 6 ( 4 rurrets) med slot 5 low slot: 6
drone bay: 200m3
make it a realy drone ship not a crap !!!!!
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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:10:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Centurin Has anyone actually flown this on the test server? I'm eager to here how it did.
I engaged a rokh. Then my client crashed ---
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Heelay Ashrum
Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Centurin Has anyone actually flown this on the test server? I'm eager to here how it did.
I engaged a rokh. Then my client crashed
pls retry when u can.. i have a realy bad feeling . i need good news ..
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Kassidus
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:17:00 -
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both of the new Gallente ships are well, disapointing to say the least, neither of them seem useful, so far the only ones i will buy are the caldari ones maybee amarr and minie but the gallente ones seem to have no purpose.
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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: lofty29 on 25/10/2006 14:18:30
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Centurin Has anyone actually flown this on the test server? I'm eager to here how it did.
I engaged a rokh. Then my client crashed
pls retry when u can.. i have a realy bad feeling . i need good news ..
Well i can tell you it did 1450m/s with a 10mn MWD II and nav skills at 4. And it's about as big as the rokh ---
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Kapitanleutnant Mei
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:23:00 -
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YES its been flown on the test server- a friend could tank 2 (albiet poorly setup) drakes in one easily, cap is crucial in kali and with a dual rep setup and med drones this is an evil ship
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Centurin Has anyone actually flown this on the test server? I'm eager to here how it did.
I engaged a rokh. Then my client crashed
Hehe, Rokh have uber tank on SiSi. You can't shoot it. - What am I listening to? |
Temo Jick
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:24:00 -
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I flew it last night, its beautiful and defiantly a fun ship to fly. BUT there is nothing ive been able to do with it that I couldnÆt do better in a dommy or a Vex. Personally i would Rather a reduction to its power grid (limiting you to using only light guns if you want to field a tank) and an extra 25m3 of drone bay. This would really work as an all purpose ship. It doesnÆt have any turret bonuses any way so using light rails or blasters isnÆt sacrificing much, while giving it a defence against frigates which it would need as 125m3 of drone bay would limit it to just 5 heavy drones. Of corse that will never happen but itÆs a nice ship all the same, though its never going to be anything more then a stepping stone from vex to dom, shame realy.
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Flitz Farseeker
Gallente Eve guardians
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:24:00 -
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With only 100m3 of drone bay, I won't bother with heavies. 6 meds and 8 lights if I can still count gives the possibility to field 5 meds, 5 lights or any combo and have a spare or two if one does buy the farm.
I also think a remote armor repper might be useful in one of those non-turret hi-slots. And a couple of medium NOS just for good luck!
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Jongo Fett
Caldari Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:25:00 -
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i took out 2 drakes with it although not at the same time. its one v sexy ship 4 t2 heavys = ownage
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Heelay Ashrum
Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jongo Fett i took out 2 drakes with it although not at the same time. its one v sexy ship 4 t2 heavys = ownage
hm .. they tried to kill drones instead of u?
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Galen Silas
Gallente Digital assassins
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus Good drone bay, repper bonus, sexy model. What's not to like? Slot layout's a bit lower on turrets (8 hits, 5 turret slots) than I'd expect, but then again everyone's going to be fitting nos anyway.
I think I'll be cross skilling onto this one. Not much effort involved. (although I admit, I've not seen what level cruiser skill is going to be needed, I'd assume it's not 5)
One word... NOS
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:44:00 -
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Why does the Myrmidon has BOTH less armor and less hull than the Harbinger? Give it at least 6k hull or something pls!
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:10:00 -
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I engaged a drake 1v1 on the test server and simply out-lasted it.
I broke through alot of his shields with my tech II med drones, but of course he targeted them.
My 3 Heavy Nos and 5 light Neutron II's finished the job. With the assistance of my nos and a cap injector my dual-reppers simply put up too much of a tank. After fighting for about 10 minutes he ran out of ammo and then it was just a case of nocking down his shields with his cap gone.
Still needs more testing ofc, but its one hell of a ship. ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete |
Heelay Ashrum
Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 25/10/2006 15:12:33
Originally by: Nicholai Pestot I engaged a drake 1v1 on the test server and simply out-lasted it.
I broke through alot of his shields with my tech II med drones, but of course he targeted them.
My 3 Heavy Nos and 5 light Neutron II's finished the job. With the assistance of my nos and a cap injector my dual-reppers simply put up too much of a tank. After fighting for about 10 minutes he ran out of ammo and then it was just a case of nocking down his shields with his cap gone.
Still needs more testing ofc, but its one hell of a ship.
good to know!! can i guggest u another test? test it agaist a passive tanking drake, and ask him to engage drones.
realy interested what will happens
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Steppa
Gallente Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:20:00 -
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A drone ship should be able to launch at least two waves of drones at least. Remember, most drone-centric ships use them as primary weapons. The fact that your weapons can be destroyed requires some special consideration.
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starship enginer
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: starship enginer on 25/10/2006 15:25:21
Originally by: Ithildin
It is supposed to make up for the two-three missing turrets and the missing turret bonus.
4x Ogre II = 4 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 24 * 2 = 506.88 thermal dps. No replacements. No small flight of drones. Negligible backup dps from turrets. Very, very, short operational range.
What I'm asking for is the drone bay to be increased so that it can accept backup drones. The dps will increase with merely 126.72 for a total of 633.6 - easily offsetting that there is no capability for damage mods on this damage!
However, the most important aspect is the backup drones. You can't load/unload drones from cargo to drone bay, if you could it wouldn't be such a terrible LARGE issue.
Edit: (425mm AC II EMP ammo) Hurricane damage: 346.5 With 3 dmg mods: 574
Hmm... actually the damage amount isn't the issue. Underlying issue with drones is that there's no limit on their use other than drone bay SIZE. *grumblegrumble*
They should really look into that. Make it so there's a stat on each ship limiting drone control, so that you can carry backup drones on, say, a Vexor, without unbalancing it.
your numbers are wrong
"4x Ogre II = 4 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 24 * 2 = 506.88 thermal dps"
you forgot the 2 second ROF and also the 50% bonus to drone dmg at lvl 5
gives
4x Ogre II = 4 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 1.25 * 24 * 2 *1.5 /2 = 380.16 thermal dps
but who is gona fit 4 ogre 2s in their right mind, they die so fast, one drone dies and your drone DPS is cut by 25% :/
its much more realistic to expect 5 medium thermal t2 drones
also they should up the bay to 150M^3 and limit the bonus to medium drones only!!!
and why are you compairing to the Hurricane damage with EMP when they can easily use high dmg t2 ammo now, not to mention they can use barrage and choose dmg type to a good degree, while if u use anyhting other than thermal drones you take a big dps hit!
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Coda Relic
Gallente SUBLIME L.L.C
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:50:00 -
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Since I am Gallente, I felt compelled by forces greater than my own to contribute to this fine thread. I'll try to make it short and to the point. The argument that I'm hearing is "Drones can be destroyed, so we need to be able to field more." Well at 2+ mil per T2 drone, I don't care if I could field 5 waves. The fact is that this tends to get a bit expensive. All a bigger drone bay would mean is that instead of throwing away 20 mil (2+ mil for T2 meds), I would be putting even more of my hard earned ISK into a fight that, even if my ship makes it out in one piece, the fight cost about as much as the ship is worth anyway. IMHO I would like to see the Myr add time to my little dronies lifespan. This could be by adding drone durability per level (or possibly another skill that I've overlooked?) This way instead of sending more and more lemming drones to fight and drain my wallet, the ones that are sent last longer. To me the 100m3 drone bay is fine. I'm comfortable with the ability to field 2 waves of T2 med drones. What I'm not comfortable with is sending 10-20 mil of fodder off to battle. No other main weapon requires this amount of upkeep...
Quote: "You wanged my ship, you walnut-panelled idiot!" - Professor Farnsworth
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Temo Jick
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Coda Relic IMHO I would like to see the Myr add time to my little dronies lifespan. This could be by adding drone durability per level
It does this 10% more shield structure and armor for each drone per level, did you mean you wanted more?
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Centurin
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Coda Relic This could be by adding drone durability per level (or possibly another skill that I've overlooked?)
Try training... Drone durability ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime |
Malena Panic
Gallente Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholai Pestot I engaged a drake 1v1 on the test server and simply out-lasted it.
I broke through alot of his shields with my tech II med drones, but of course he targeted them.
My 3 Heavy Nos and 5 light Neutron II's finished the job.
I must be missing something. No drones, no guns; how did you kill him?
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Augustin Coriac
Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Steppa A drone ship should be able to launch at least two waves of drones at least. Remember, most drone-centric ships use them as primary weapons. The fact that your weapons can be destroyed requires some special consideration.
Well you can use 2 waves of med drones... Don't forget it's a BC, not a BS. Brutix doesn't fit large hybrid turrets, and imo Myrmidon doesn't use heavy drones.
The dronebay and bonuses don't annoy me on this ship (at the contrary they sound nasty). I'll see if my feelings are correct when i'll be able to connect to sisi :)
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Cmdr Sy
Off Balance Sheet Entity
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:14:00 -
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You don't have to use Hammerhead IIs. Use Vespa IIs, and although your raw DPS is cut by around 10%, the hit to your wallet when they die or get left behind, is cut by 50%. Considering kinetic damage tends to be as all-purpose as thermal, that's a trade-off I would be willing to make.
I like the look of this ship, and I mean stats too, not just the model.
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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Augustin Coriac
Originally by: Steppa A drone ship should be able to launch at least two waves of drones at least. Remember, most drone-centric ships use them as primary weapons. The fact that your weapons can be destroyed requires some special consideration.
Well you can use 2 waves of med drones... Don't forget it's a BC, not a BS. Brutix doesn't fit large hybrid turrets, and imo Myrmidon doesn't use heavy drones.
The dronebay and bonuses don't annoy me on this ship (at the contrary they sound nasty). I'll see if my feelings are correct when i'll be able to connect to sisi :)
Your sig....omfg....LOL! ---
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Coda Relic
Gallente SUBLIME L.L.C
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Centurin Try training... Drone durability
Have it, but thanks anyway...
Originally by: Temo Jick It does this 10% more shield structure and armor for each drone per level, did you mean you wanted more?
Maybe the stats I looked at were old, I am subject to making mistakes... What are the current per level stats for the Myr? If what you say is correct then the Myr looks fine to me and I really can't complain
Quote: "You wanged my ship, you walnut-panelled idiot!" - Professor Farnsworth
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Jimmycs83
Venom.
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Posted - 2006.10.25 19:19:00 -
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finally managed to get on the test server to get a look at one of these ... unfortunately didnt get to try it out in combat yet due to my clint crashing and putting me back at the end of the 500man queue to log back in. Did manage to play about with some setups for a short while tho ..
my setup was Myrmidon Setup
Jimmy
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Quilan Ziller
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Posted - 2006.10.25 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: xenodia
Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 24/10/2006 15:00:42 Who else is OMFG EXITED about how sexy this ship looks?! Uber-vexor with 7.5% rep bonus ftw!
PICCY!!
I was excited about the prospect of the myrmidon, until it hit SiSi and we saw the stats/bonuses. Now im not so sure. I'll still try it out before passing judgement, but not nearly as excited as I was.
Lack of any damage bonus for the guns, and lack of turret slots in general means you are totally dependent on your drones for damage, which is fine for a drone boat. But im not convinced 100m of drone bay is enough for a dedicated drone boat that has no other significant means of damage. To do damage anywhere close to that of the other new BCs, youd have to have t2 drone skills and run 3 heavy and 2 medium drones. But doing that means you have only 5m of drone bay for a spare light drone, so youd better hope nobody takes out your drones or youre limping back to base practically defenseless.
I had kind of hoped for an Eos-sized drone bay, especially considering the lack of gun slots. As it stands, even the Ishtar has more than twice the drone bay, and t2 or not, its a cruiser sized hull, whereas the Myrmidon is a battlecruiser sized hull thats supposed to be a dedicated drone boat.
Forget the Ishtar... A lowly Navy Issue Vexor comes with 100 m3 of drone bay - and with bonus to medium hybrid turrets! And, as an answer to everyone in this thread who is simply comparing raw DPS between Myrmidon and Domi... Even if Myrmidon was able to field 5 heavy drones, otherwise equal drone DPS would *not* mean Myrmidon = Domi.
Can't fit a BS-quality tank. For all it's worth, no BC even comes close. The sig radius, though, is almost like that of a BS. Can't fit large turrets, and no gun bonuses at all! Can't fit large Nosferatus. If the Myr drone bay were increased to 125 or 150 m3, there won't be enough space to fit full flights of almost all types of drones in game, like the Domi can. A hint to everyone who is not using drones much: using Heavy drones is not always the best strategy! They won't kill an interceptor easily, for example. Or even Loyal Sansha NPC frigs. The heavies are just not fast enough, and they miss small targets a lot.
I would be very excited to get a pure drone boat (btw, Domi, with its blaster bonus, ain't a pure drone boat). But if left as it is, I am just afraid Myrmidon will become another Catalyst. A ship that looks good on paper if you are a noob, but, unfortunately, has very limited use in real life.
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