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webkert
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:01:00 -
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Why blasters got a longranged ammo in the first place is beyond me. Mega with null outdamages apoc using scorch at up to 25km. closerange my ass.
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webkert
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.24 20:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Arimai
Originally by: webkert
Why blasters got a longranged ammo in the first place is beyond me. Mega with null outdamages apoc using scorch at up to 25km. closerange my ass.
Ok, and now let's look at the dmg the arma does with conflag shall we?
(and i wont get started on the superior tank the arma will have then the neutron megathron. How many megas do you see that use neutrons?)
Right, the geddon is a dedicated dps ship, it sacrifices alot of versatility for it. 8 lows looks pretty awesome for tanking too does it not. Until you actually start fitting it and realize how low it is on cpu and powergrid.
With maxed skills a geddon using 7 mega pulse t2:
3300 pg left, 284.25 cpu
megat has 4488 PG and 367.25 cpu left with 7 neutron t2s fitted.
If you haven't tried a plated neutron mega yet you might want to, they are pretty awesome.
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webkert
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 24/10/2006 21:44:01
Originally by: ArtemisEntreri
Amarr = kings of medium range and btw why compare apoc the worst of the worst bs?
lol, exactly... should really be comparing it to the gankageddon for DPS output
No it shouldn't, because an apoc is so much more similar to a mega then a geddon is. Same slot layout, same tier, somewhat similar fitting reqs etc. read my post about geddon vs mega fitting and you'll see why.
Its not just the apoc either, a tempest will have the same problem.
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webkert
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Adamantium Beam
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Right, the geddon is a dedicated dps ship, it sacrifices alot of versatility for it. 8 lows looks pretty awesome for tanking too does it not. Until you actually start fitting it and realize how low it is on cpu and powergrid.
With maxed skills a geddon using 7 mega pulse t2:
3300 pg left, 284.25 cpu
megat has 4488 PG and 367.25 cpu left with 7 neutron t2s fitted.
If you haven't tried a plated neutron mega yet you might want to, they are pretty awesome.
Yeah more PG left on the meg but you need to put a mwd and a cap injector soo ....
So does a geddon if its going to use its range advantage in any meaningful way.
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webkert
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.24 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: webkert
No it shouldn't, because an apoc is so much more similar to a mega then a geddon is. Same slot layout, same tier, somewhat similar fitting reqs etc. read my post about geddon vs mega fitting and you'll see why.
Its not just the apoc either, a tempest will have the same problem.
Well, you are comparing the DPS of a ship without a damage bonus, to a ship with one... then complaining about DPS
to me that makes so sense... and also, you still have better DPS over 25km, and if you change to conflag you have better dps at closer range
To make lasers different from other weapon systems ccp gave them a built in damage bonus, increased cap usage by 50% and gave amarr ships a cap reduction bonus instead. Null thron outdamages conflag apoc at all ranges.
But I must admit that giving null a tracking penalty is not the way to go. In a way its abit like conflagration, tracking penalty for an ammo that is supposed to be used just outside webrange is ****.
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webkert
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:15:00 -
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How hard can it be to understand that null aint supposed to be an anti everything ammo with AM dps at conflagration range. The damn thing has "brokes" written on the side of it yet so many people fail to see it.
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webkert
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: webkert on 25/10/2006 11:20:20
Originally by: Butter Dog
Firstly, Null didnt have antimatter DPS.
Nope, but close to it.
Originally by: Butter Dog
Secondly, It was still utterly crappy on anything that was moving (in large blasters). It wasnt like Jav Torps which really were 'anti-everything'.
Blasters have great tracking to begin with, and with the megathrons tracking bonus it can hit frigates inside webrange without to much trouble(try that with L pulses).
Nope not quite as good as javelins, but then again javelins did have a speed reduction penalty. Null doesn't have any penaltys at all.
But anyway it will still be useful against minne/amarr ships that try to kite.
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webkert
Amarr
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: webkert
Edited by: webkert on 25/10/2006 11:20:20
Originally by: Butter Dog
Firstly, Null didnt have antimatter DPS.
Nope, but close to it.
Originally by: Butter Dog
Secondly, It was still utterly crappy on anything that was moving (in large blasters). It wasnt like Jav Torps which really were 'anti-everything'.
Blasters have great tracking to begin with, and with the megathrons tracking bonus it can hit frigates inside webrange without to much trouble(try that with L pulses).
Nope not quite as good as javelins, but then again javelins did have a speed reduction penalty. Null doesn't have any penaltys at all.
But anyway it will still be useful against minne/amarr ships that try to kite.
I guess you don't fly a blasterthon. 'Good tracking'.... lol
It works for me:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/web/blastertracking.avi
btw that vid is old, when I frapsed it I had terrible gunnerys skills, sharpshooting 2, trajectory analysis 2 etc..
which is the only reason they didn't pop right away.
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