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Nikolus Wrighte
Caldari JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:12:00 -
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will it be better to run missions in a rokh now. i mean those stats are just godly... will it replace the long standing raven as the mission *****s choice? will aramachi and kaunokka soon be filled with rokh's?
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Afonso Henriques
Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:14:00 -
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err, no
It's the missles that make the raven the agent runners ship of choice.
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Nikolus Wrighte
Caldari JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:15:00 -
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yeah but that stats are overall suprieor to the raven. cap sheilds missle its got them all. it even has the ferox's holy 5% sheild resist. All moderaters to sign my sig get a free cookie! |
Zosimos Sabina
Amarr Loot
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:17:00 -
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No, because Rokh will never approach Raven DPS vs all the different types of ships in a mission. You think the Rokh will automagically hit that fast frigate orbiting outside web range like a missile will?
Use turrets more Mr. Caldari. Tracking and transversal suddenly becomes important!
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Afonso Henriques
Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zosimos Sabina
Use turrets more Mr. Caldari. Tracking and transversal suddenly becomes important!
HAHA, QFT!
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Nikolus Wrighte
Caldari JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolus Wrighte on 25/10/2006 04:20:10 Well atleast the caldari have a decent rail battleship now :-D AND ITS SYMMETRICAL THANK THE LORD! All moderaters to sign my sig get a free cookie! |
AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:24:00 -
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Rokh has a tiny drone bay for a BS. The damp happy T2 torp/cruise raven will still be a ship to be respected.
Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:25:00 -
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as stated by others, I still think the Raven will own in small gang pvp. In fleet however, the Rokh is going to reign supreme. . . Stops training Large Projectile and switches to Large Hybird.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolus Wrighte Edited by: Nikolus Wrighte on 25/10/2006 04:20:10 Well atleast the caldari have a SUPERUBEROMGWTFBBQ rail battleship now :-D AND ITS SYMMETRICAL THANK THE LORD!
fixed
(also i must say that i like the look)
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Nikolus Wrighte
Caldari JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon
Originally by: Nikolus Wrighte Edited by: Nikolus Wrighte on 25/10/2006 04:20:10 Well atleast the caldari have a SUPERUBEROMGWTFBBQ rail battleship now :-D AND ITS SYMMETRICAL THANK THE LORD!
fixed
(also i must say that i like the look)
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Tyler Lowe
Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.25 05:35:00 -
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Running missions in a turret ship requires a much different style of game play, and a certain amount of ... well... there's no way around this... "skill".
Well, maybe not so much "skill" as it is "practice", and lots of it. You have to think about what you're going to do next continuously durng the course of a mission. You need to spend 3 times the skill points to fit the tech II variants of the large turrets that you would have to spend to fit tech II cruise or torps. You need to do all of this, and the payoff is, you'll end up about the same speed running most missions as someone that parks at the warp in and spams missiles.
I think it's fair to assume, that while you do get the occassional turret junky or person that simply hates to do anything the easy way, that the Raven will be one of- if not *the* top mission running pick for a long time yet. The Rohk may get some devoted mission running fans along the way, but there is no chance it knocks the Raven off it's #1 spot. J.A.F.O.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.25 05:40:00 -
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Raven will deffo be more better than the rohk in missiosn etc due to the fact that u cant warp in the mission at 250 km so the extrem logn range stuff wotn be realy handy which is the only bonus to guns on that ship. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Skeltek
Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.25 07:10:00 -
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Raven is still the only ship that can be used at both, missions and PvP.
Cerberus, Nighthawk: missionsolopwnmobiles, unreasonably expensive crappy PvP ships.
Turretbased ships: suck at missions, mostly great for PvP.
Raven: can do both to a certain degree.
I somehow dislike the fact that there are shipclasses designed only for empire/missions and the others being designed and suitable only/mainly for PvP; the Nighthawkchanges will even strenghten that development of shipclasses being excluded completely from half the aspects of the game.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.10.25 07:17:00 -
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I caved in. I will start training Caldari (Or continue it. BS lvl4 and Torp lvl4 already . 0 "new" missile skills thou).
BS lvl5, Large Hybrids lvl5 and Cruiser lvl5 so I can take advantage of my Command Ships lvl5.
So now I need to start training missile skills and shield skills.. *sigh* Part of forum movement known as "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö"
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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.25 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Zosimos Sabina Use turrets more Mr. Caldari. Tracking and transversal suddenly becomes important! [8)
Yeah, it's so much easier using turrets, "OMG, transversal is at a low number!!" F1-F8
Tried it out on sisi, piece of cake, so much easier than my raven This gives me a reason for training my last turret skills instead
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Master OlavPancrazio
Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.25 07:21:00 -
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I'm still going to enjoy my ravens gank + tank t2 cruise setup that ganks anything smaller then a battleship with ease.
I'd love to see the rokh do that.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 08:52:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 25/10/2006 08:55:03 I think of all the ships there, the Rohk is the best designed.
It quite nicely fills in the niche that's been missing from the Caldari portfolio for ... well certainly since I started playing.
It's got a good useful set of bonuses and slot layout. It's a hybrid BS, which excels at long range. That's not 'pwnage win' it's just ... about right.
I don't think it'll overtake the Raven as the mission runner's favourite. The raven's style is almost exactly suited to that job - good range on weapons, variable damage types, and the 'can warp before the torps hit' makes no difference missioning/NPCing.
Of course, I still hold that it's designed as the new caldari mining BS. Passive tank, shield hardeners, lows full of CPUs and minging lasers.
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Rafein
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:10:00 -
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only if you can convince mission targets to stay out round 60 KM, where your guns can pound away and tracking is not bad.
Have a ship get close to you, and at least the Raven can kill it.
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Druid R
Murder of Crows E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein only if you can convince mission targets to stay out round 60 KM, where your guns can pound away and tracking is not bad.
Have a ship get close to you, and at least the Raven can kill it.
drones?
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Gungankllr
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:44:00 -
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Should be interesting.
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
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foolers
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:45:00 -
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Quote: No, because Rokh will never approach Raven DPS vs all the different types of ships in a mission. You think the Rokh will automagically hit that fast frigate orbiting outside web range like a missile will?
I don't think anyone really uses cruise missiles to pop frigs. More like they use them over torps because they can still do significant damage to BC/Cruisers.
Rails on the Rokh will still do less dps than the missiles on the Raven though. Simply because the raven gets a direct dps skill bonus and the Rokh does not.
OTOH, the other reason the raven is easy-mode for pve is the simplicity of shield tanking versus armor, and with the resist bonus rokh will be cake to tank really hard.
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Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2006.10.25 09:59:00 -
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If the Rokh hits TQ with these stats I ll train for it and abandon the mega... the rokh realy rox
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: foolers
Quote: No, because Rokh will never approach Raven DPS vs all the different types of ships in a mission. You think the Rokh will automagically hit that fast frigate orbiting outside web range like a missile will?
I don't think anyone really uses cruise missiles to pop frigs. More like they use them over torps because they can still do significant damage to BC/Cruisers.
Rails on the Rokh will still do less dps than the missiles on the Raven though. Simply because the raven gets a direct dps skill bonus and the Rokh does not.
OTOH, the other reason the raven is easy-mode for pve is the simplicity of shield tanking versus armor, and with the resist bonus rokh will be cake to tank really hard.
I use cruise missiles to pop mission frigs all the time - mostly because of the numerous drone bugs that have quite often threatened to lose me my ship.
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ZelRox
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:44:00 -
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The only caldari ship im still interessted in is the Eagle. ----------------------
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.25 10:44:00 -
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drake with heavys: 400dps... raven with cruises: 450dps
Waambulance for small ships.
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC drake with heavys: 400dps... raven with cruises: 450dps
Waambulance for small ships.
heavy assaults?
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Kay Han
Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:23:00 -
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raven = PvE Rokh = PvP ___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
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Ishmael Hansen
No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.25 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: ZelRox The only caldari ship im still interessted in is the Eagle.
Will it become usefull in Kali?
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Laughlyn Vaughns
Gallente Lagos-Vaughn Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:21:00 -
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all that has happened is they have removed a certain part of the raves amazing long distance high damage and replaced it with the rokhs system wide optimal range. raven for mission will alwasy be good cos u dont normally get npcs more than 150km away and u can do a variety of missions with the max amount of damage and tank. i used to armor tank my cruise II raven for sansha/darkblood missions and it only struggled on 1 or 2 of the really big ones and that was when i deceided it would be fun to aggro the entire spawn of 11 BS's and 30 odd cruisers (Yup Pirate Invasion)
the rokh is limited to Kinetic and thermal damage types to get the most out of its primary weapons. sure it has a few drones and can use coupel missiles but with 6 or 7 launchers and RoF bonus its not gonan do as much specialized damage as the raven.
I WILL be using it in missions tho with missiles and a shield tank but only on some the harder missions n a gang of couple othe rcorp mates so it acts as primary same goes for the abaddon too.
My weapon of choice at moment tho is still my Nightmare for solo missions but i may try out the drake as a support ship on my corpmates missions
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.25 12:23:00 -
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One thing that needs to be pointed out about the Rokh. It's 100% insurance payout is 165M ISK. so it's going to be a resource hog when building them.
Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
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