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Trajun
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Posted - 2006.10.29 20:53:00 -
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some of you guys take this game wayyyy to seriously. Being good at a GAME does not embody you with all conquering life skills some people seem to think they get from smacking in a forum. there's alot of comments on events from people who weren't even there which adds even less sense to smack. so, for the neutrals, heres my view of events ( i say my view as there will always be 3 sides to any story, our side...their side...and the truth).
both sides have numerical superiority at differant times of the day. when we have it AAA pos hug,when they have it we do. this is sparadically interupted by small engagements as we try and catch the other side of guard. this tactic just makes plain sense as there is no need to throw ships away for no gain.pos's put into reinforced when we are on top and refulled when they are. again, sound common sense. the night the dreads went down we had been on top for most of the day,time t kill a pos or 2.it was a good time for us and a bad time for you so fail to see how the timing can be critisized.hostile count was in the 20's which our support gang was more than capable of tacking on.unfortunatly there was a massive log on (the side of my screen went crazy). now no matter what you think about this tactic, ccp cant/wont do anything about it so its here. i must admit i admire the dedication of a pilot who will get up in the early hours to play a game. contrary to cetain posts the support gang was sent to defend the dreads. unfortunatly for us this was destroyed followed by the dreads. well done aaa you did your job well this time,next time could be differant. one encouraging thing has been the relative lack of smack in local. that seems to be reserved for the forums
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affssssssd
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Posted - 2006.10.29 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: affssssssd on 29/10/2006 21:05:52
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.29 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Guma
Originally by: DeWieKat .-A-. are cheaters, they are exploiting the game mechanics.... using login traps... bla bla bla, lets join "guma" club and roll over the topic about questionable tactics...
id say, axe is exploiting the game by choosing the daytime where the majority of our pilots is sleeping. axe are cheating by gathering numbers far more higher then ours. that ve been said, we are simply trying to pvp, u dont like the way we do it? make a direct aproach, havent got balls? well, then continue with ur so called anticheater crusade on forums. by every post u make ure just admiting that u failed it off. now... flame on.
yeah join my club
Did i said you r exploiting? Did i ever said? I know what is an exploit and the login trap is no exploit cause ccp do nothing against, so it is part of the game...easy.
BUT MOST PPL IN THIS GAME DON'T USE IT, ONLY RA AND AAA, SO GET OVER IT YOU MADE YOURSELF LOOKING LIKE EXPLOITERS.
You choose how you wanna have fun, you choose how you wanna play a game, and i have chosen not to play the game like you do.
Let's have a look at BoB VS ASCN. ASCN have much more numbers, they don't fight all the time like BoB wanna have it, but BoB NEVER!! used an login trap to beat their numbers. So think about if you are skilled pvp's. In my opinion you r stat*****s not more.
then i have a brillant idea for you.
create a cool "WE ARE TEH COOL CORP"
and burn yourself. all. save the universe and stop polluting our wannabe-molle-threads.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Guma
Tempt Fate
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Posted - 2006.10.29 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Omeega
then i have a brillant idea for you.
create a cool "WE ARE TEH COOL CORP"
and burn yourself. all. save the universe and stop polluting our wannabe-molle-threads.
it's hard to get the right char to post here when you have so many acc's eh?
before i burn my self i will kick you on the chinese server with my coolness. Time to eat Sushi
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Radeberger
Caldari Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.29 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Omeega save the universe and stop polluting our wannabe-molle-threads.
OMG it is teh hidden link
/me imagines Omeega to be a manly female with hippie tendencies
(don't mean any offense it's all just for fun )
I've been told i look like Oveur, however i disagree it is he that looks like me |
Man1ac
Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.29 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Man1ac on 29/10/2006 21:45:28 Edited by: Man1ac on 29/10/2006 21:43:06
Originally by: Trajun
{snip} ... contrary to cetain posts the support gang was sent to defend the dreads. unfortunatly for us this was destroyed followed by the dreads. well done aaa you did your job well this time,next time could be differant. one encouraging thing has been the relative lack of smack in local. that seems to be reserved for the forums
I admit that I wasn't there, unfortunately (because of the continous problems with my computer). But surely you wouldn't mind if I ask a question? You see... I am looking at both killboards AXE and AAA and something in your story does not match in my mind.
Both killboards indicate AXE losses something like:
00:30:00 AM Heretic 01:00:00 AM Buzzard 01:00:00 AM Vagabond 01:00:00 AM Buzzard 01:00:00 AM Incursus 01:02:00 AM Thanatos 01:03:00 AM Naglfar 01:03:00 AM Armageddon 01:03:00 AM Capsule 01:04:00 AM Moros 01:04:00 AM Naglfar
So, you are saying that somewhere there between 0:30am and 1:02 when this carrier explodes (following a dread minute later) should be an awful lot of killmails from the "support gang being annihilated before dreads"?
Are you sure that all the killmails were posted?
Because the dread fight we've seen in that nice video, and there was none of them support gangers.
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DeathGrip
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.29 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Man1ac Edited by: Man1ac on 29/10/2006 21:43:06
Originally by: Trajun
{snip} ... contrary to cetain posts the support gang was sent to defend the dreads. unfortunatly for us this was destroyed followed by the dreads. well done aaa you did your job well this time,next time could be differant. one encouraging thing has been the relative lack of smack in local. that seems to be reserved for the forums
I admit that I wasn't there, unfortunately (because of the continous problems with my computer). But surely you wouldn't mind if I ask a question? You see... I am looking at both killboards AXE and AAA and something in your story does not match in my mind.
Both killboards indicate AXE losses something like:
00:30:00 AM Heretic 01:00:00 AM Buzzard 01:00:00 AM Vagabond 01:00:00 AM Buzzard 01:00:00 AM Incursus 01:02:00 AM Thanatos 01:03:00 AM Naglfar 01:03:00 AM Armageddon 01:03:00 AM Capsule 01:04:00 AM Moros 01:04:00 AM Naglfar
So, you are saying that somewhere there between 0:30am and 1:02 when this carrier explodes (following a dread minute later) should be an awful lot of killmails from the "support gang being annihilated before dreads"?
Are you sure that all the killmails were posted?
LOL, mate you should read entire thread before posting. Even some of your High Command has admitted we had support. Wasnt' the support we shoudl have had, which I already said, but there was more support than what you claim. I think somone said over 25 ships where killed from the POS alone.
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Man1ac
Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.29 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Man1ac on 29/10/2006 21:49:51
Originally by: DeathGrip
LOL, mate you should read entire thread before posting. Even some of your High Command has admitted we had support. Wasnt' the support we shoudl have had, which I already said, but there was more support than what you claim. I think somone said over 25 ships where killed from the POS alone.
Creamster admitted that 15 ships beside dread has been killed DURING THE FIGHT. But not BEFORE.
The dread fight we've seen on a video, and there is no visible support gang. Where did it go?
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DeathGrip
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.29 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: DeathGrip on 29/10/2006 22:44:35 Creamster Edited his post. If you look above after my thank you to him, shows his original post. Also the support jumped in just as some of your attack started.
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Man1ac
Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.29 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 29/10/2006 22:44:35 Creamster Edited his post. If you look above after my thank you to him, shows his original post. Also the support jumped in just as some of your attack started.
Oh, I see. So I thought that support was killed before the dreads, but it looks like they were killed together with the dreads?
... And If I look hard enough, I probably will find them on that video?
Thanks for the clarificaion, and I think that I need to watch it one more time.
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DeathGrip
Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.29 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Man1ac
Originally by: DeathGrip Edited by: DeathGrip on 29/10/2006 22:44:35 Creamster Edited his post. If you look above after my thank you to him, shows his original post. Also the support jumped in just as some of your attack started.
Oh, I see. So I thought that support was killed before the dreads, but it looks like they were killed together with the dreads?
... And If I look hard enough, I probably will find them on that video?
Thanks for the clarificaion, and I think that I need to watch it one more time.
Yea i think it was with the dreads, i have not watched the video myself, i was there no need to :)
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
Creamster
Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.29 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip Yea i think it was with the dreads, i have not watched the video myself, i was there ... :)
...and made it out in 1 piece, lucky bastid
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Sadist
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.30 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sadist on 30/10/2006 02:50:13
Originally by: Man1ac
Creamster admitted that 15 ships beside dread has been killed DURING THE FIGHT. But not BEFORE.
The dread fight we've seen on a video, and there is no visible support gang. Where did it go?
Dread only overview setting.
Originally by: Creamster
Originally by: DeathGrip Yea i think it was with the dreads, i have not watched the video myself, i was there ... :)
...and made it out in 1 piece, lucky bastid
I keep telling ya, I ransomed him and let him go after payment. ̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣
VIP member of the [23]
Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
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Sally
Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 30/10/2006 02:53:13
Originally by: Trajun e was a massive log on (the side of my screen went crazy). now no matter what you think about this tactic, ccp cant/wont do anything about it so its here. i must admit i admire the dedication of a pilot who will get up in the early hours to play a game. contrary to cetain posts the support gang was sent to defend the dreads. unfortunatly for us this was destroyed followed by the dreads. well done aaa ]
But, to tell the truth, what you expect CCP to do about it? Imagine you have god-like programmer what can program any feature overnight. What would you order him to do? How you can prevent (or accuse) peoples for logging to THE GAME? And its not even relating to usuall "lets make ship stay in space for 3534645757 hours without disappear" as AAA had own POS in your system where they can safely log off they ships. Short said, i see this is as unavoidable game mechanic and legitimate tactic, as it would be stupid to ask peoples to leave they computers on for the night just so you can count them in local. Btw, would such thing be enforced by someone, you will be even more scared by 100 AAA in local what do NOTHING in they sleep time. After a week you will try same stupid attack hoping what these 100 AAA are actually sleeping, and when it will turn what they are actually get awake and slaughter you fleet again, you'll cry "exploit!", "exploit!" , "nerf alarm clocks and phones! Nerf TS! Nerf MSN! Nerf ICQ!". So, its just lame excuse on your part. Its not even classical log-on trap, as said trap implies what 1. You dont know what enemy ships are logged off here 2. enemy ships after log-on are teleported directly on your head instantly.
Nothing the above is true for your last disaster. -- Stories: #1 --
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l3VGV
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.10.30 06:03:00 -
[495]
good morning
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Adril Alatar
Minmatar No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sally Edited by: Sally on 30/10/2006 02:53:13 But, to tell the truth, what you expect CCP to do about it? Imagine you have god-like programmer what can program any feature overnight.
That would be easy. They can just make an own russian server where you can make your complex farming and your logoff/onskis....
Would be easy. Doesnt need much nodes because only the complex systems have to be active....
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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 07:10:00 -
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I believe Mr Molle said it best with his pendulum comment,
it swings both ways. All things come to an end, yet what will the end be?
^^
gl AAA, looking forward to more fights in the near future. -----------------------------------------------
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter hmm blowing ascn carebears in empire ?
can i join ?
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.30 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Adril Alatar
Originally by: Sally Edited by: Sally on 30/10/2006 02:53:13 But, to tell the truth, what you expect CCP to do about it? Imagine you have god-like programmer what can program any feature overnight.
That would be easy. They can just make an own russian server where you can make your complex farming and your logoff/onskis....
Would be easy. Doesnt need much nodes because only the complex systems have to be active....
what ship did you lost? I'm sorry to see you cry about ~1b max loss.
let me help you.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 10:38:00 -
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Everybody in this thread should stop blaming the other side bcs of the tactics they using and start blaming CCP to fix the game issues.
I was FC yesterday and we crashed the node twice, with less then 100 ppl participating at the engagments.
Again the main point on the logon traps is not the traps theirself but that the game lags to much while ppl login in. And i mean ALL ppl allready logged in not only the 1 side.
So if you are fighting at a pos the side which defends is in advantage bcs the pos weapons dont have to be activated. The attackers can not warp out or activate any mods so they get killed.
The hole problem could be fixed if loging in dont affects ppl allready in the game. Thats the issue here, not when or if some1 decides to login or logout.
Again CCP node crashing while 100 ppl firing each other is just rediculus. And again, can we pls have the test srv stress results?
GF yesterday AAA and cya all in space ----------------------------------
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heidrun
Caelli-Merced
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: heidrun on 30/10/2006 12:00:10
Originally by: Electric Cucumber it's not a bloody log in trap when you log on at a pos, form a gang (which takes minutes) and warp this gang to the hostiles.
but wasnt it your pos you logged into where the dreads was?.
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Adril Alatar
Minmatar No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Scharrer Yeah indeed we were lagged as well, so they had the same chance as we had...
No they had not... They had to warp in at a POS with a fleet + 100 fighters there.
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MECTO
Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:02:00 -
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"I am tired of listening to these whining girls crying about how this ingame tactic sucks, that ingame tactic sucks, this is a bad way to play, so is that. Like in any fight, inside or out of eve, you do what you have to do to win as convincingly as possible. There are no extra credits for winning on hard mode. All the stab / logout / lag moaners need to adapt or die. This looks to me like a great victory for AAA. wd." (c) some -V- guy u rly need this!
It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it?
Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
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Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Scharrer Yeah indeed we were lagged as well, so they had the same chance as we had...
thats true in most of the cases. But not if u fighting at a pos or vs carriers bcs, the pos weapons and fighters dont need to be activated.
And I maybe have to rephrase the login trap to a lag trap. Thats better me thinks :-) No offence but when u r login 70 pp in a node (dont matters were) you create lag. Its not ur fault its CCPs fault. ----------------------------------
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Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: MECTO "I am tired of listening to these whining girls crying about how this ingame tactic sucks, that ingame tactic sucks, this is a bad way to play, so is that. Like in any fight, inside or out of eve, you do what you have to do to win as convincingly as possible. There are no extra credits for winning on hard mode. All the stab / logout / lag moaners need to adapt or die. This looks to me like a great victory for AAA. wd." (c) some -V- guy u rly need this!
How the heck should I adapt while I cannot even move? Again my complains are not directed to you AAA guys but to CCP. Login in 70 ppl during a fight makes game unplayable for EVERYONE who is allready logged in. End of story
And btw I am not whining here ----------------------------------
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Raxxar
Friends Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:13:00 -
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This is funny, I can understand people who lost freighter in login trap, but "login trap" during POS siedge... For me it seems like AXE came to trap themselves. No?
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Scharrer
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Scharrer on 30/10/2006 12:19:23 We logged in and regrouped at RAT pos you have not been there, we needed to warp to you so pls stop insisting on incorrect things..
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Zasra
Crown Royal Mining Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: heidrun well i never been on any side of a login trap so i was just wondering if the guys allready in system gets lagged out but the guys logging in has no lag?
Not only that but you couldn't jump in from adjacent systems either. Whatever trick they used completely lagged out the node.
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Sally
Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Raxxar This is funny, I can understand people who lost freighter in login trap, but "login trap" during POS siedge... For me it seems like AXE came to trap themselves. No?
Ya, exactly. AXE KNEW what dreads require 10 minutes to cycle siege mods. AXE KNEW what 100+ AAA was logged off in the system. They KNEW 100+ AAA camp that system already for a week. They KNEW what some of these AAA can deside to log on in they non-prime time to defend POS. And when AAA done excactly that - AXE starts to cry "exploits! exploits!". Yes, its exploits. The exploits of AXE own stupidity. -- Stories: #1 --
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Damir36
Gallente PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:25:00 -
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Oh come on... I spend days to transport everything, then sit for two days at the POS without anything important happening, and the one night I am not there you do this.
ET, please sent me a russian Alarmclock!
And Axe: come on please...
you know that a lot of AAA log out in your system every day for the night or the working day. So you have to know that there are a lot of Pilots logged of in your system, especially at our "nighttime".
You counted on our "Nighttime" to attack the Pos and thought us savely asleep, getting careless.
Youve been very predictable because you did this every night since the Poses where built.
You tried that predictable Manouvre on a saturday! where a lot of ppl can get up in the night?
You warped a Dreadnought gang to a POS without anything you could call a supportfleet , and it is not important if 5 or 15 Support where destroyed.
You had time enough because AAA hat to assemble a gang and warp to you. They did not log in in ftont of your Dreads! I do not know what you did in this minutes but you where not prepared
I leave the adding up of this points to anybody himself, but the outcome is recorded.
Grn¯e Damir
Beware: German Link!:) Deutschprachige Piloten gesucht |
Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Scharrer Edited by: Scharrer on 30/10/2006 12:19:23 We logged in and regrouped at RAT pos you have not been there, we needed to warp to you so pls stop insisting on incorrect things..
The problem here is not were and when u login. The problem is that while u logged in u caused a lag and ur tower shooted down all our support while our guys couldnt even move.
We had 40 ppl as support. All of them killed b4 load. All the dreads and the carrier couldnt even activate a damn module. They had 1 frame per minute, with screenshots u could make a fraps movie :-)
Again the fighters and the pos guns are shooting w/o them to be activated. ----------------------------------
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