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Dominus Immortalus
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.04 03:42:04 -
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Hello,
I have a Scorpion Navy Issue from a few years ago, but have no idea how to fit it for level 4 missions anymore. I run missions for ISK when I feel like I won't be able to explore or PvP without my son waking up and needing me. I would really appreciate some advice. My ultimate goal is a golem, if that makes any difference.
Thank you very much. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
93
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Posted - 2015.04.04 04:15:36 -
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My advise is to sell your glorified SNI which is amazingly expensive and purchase Rattlesnake which is amazingly cheap. In the end you would have more dps and same tanking ability. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
763
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Posted - 2015.04.04 04:46:46 -
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A Rattlesnake is a completely different ship to an SNI/Golem/RNI since it is primarily a droneboat, unless OP has drone skills a Rattler won't do him any good. As for the SNI, it's definitely useable as a L4 mission ship but I would prefer a RNI since you don't need all that tank for L4s and the application bonus on the RNI is very useful.
I have a bunch of fits saved but I'm not at home, I'll update the post later when I get home if you need specific fits. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
94
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Posted - 2015.04.04 05:18:53 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:A Rattlesnake is a completely different ship to an SNI/Golem/RNI since it is primarily a droneboat, unless OP has drone skills a Rattler won't do him any good. As for the SNI, it's definitely useable as a L4 mission ship but I would prefer a RNI since you don't need all that tank for L4s and the application bonus on the RNI is very useful.
I have a bunch of fits saved but I'm not at home, I'll update the post later when I get home if you need specific fits.
when was the last time you've flown Rattler? Since when Rattler completly different from SNI? even without drones they got almost the same dps. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1014
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Posted - 2015.04.04 05:25:40 -
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navy scorp mostly works, but I would prefer a navy raven. A rattlesnake is a somewhat decent choice, but as said, a bit different.
the navy scorp/raven fit is pretty much the same. BCUS in the lows, tank + painters in the mids, cruise in the highs, and rigors/flares in the rigs.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Dominus Immortalus
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.04 05:35:50 -
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Thanks for all the advice so far!
The reason I have a Scorpion, is that I was told (again, many years ago) that it was perfect for mission running when I had to occasionaly go AFK. If a rattlesnake is better for that, then I would definitely switch. I used to fly a raven, but when I had to leave in the middle of a mission with little warning, things rarely ended well. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2015.04.04 06:11:44 -
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Dominus Immortalus wrote:Thanks for all the advice so far!
The reason I have a Scorpion, is that I was told (again, many years ago) that it was perfect for mission running when I had to occasionaly go AFK. If a rattlesnake is better for that, then I would definitely switch. I used to fly a raven, but when I had to leave in the middle of a mission with little warning, things rarely ended well. Same resist bonus. Rattle has more base shield and regen but sni has one more midslot. Both are tough nuts. If you dont have heavy or sentry skills up you might as well stick to sni. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
763
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Posted - 2015.04.04 07:06:16 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:A Rattlesnake is a completely different ship to an SNI/Golem/RNI since it is primarily a droneboat, unless OP has drone skills a Rattler won't do him any good. As for the SNI, it's definitely useable as a L4 mission ship but I would prefer a RNI since you don't need all that tank for L4s and the application bonus on the RNI is very useful.
I have a bunch of fits saved but I'm not at home, I'll update the post later when I get home if you need specific fits. when was the last time you've flown Rattler? Since when Rattler completly different from SNI? even without drones they got almost the same dps.
....If your drones skills are terrible, flying a Rattler would be a waste as you'd get more out of an SNI/RNI and you'd be losing out on a key reason to fly a Rattler since it's primarily (read: not exclusively) a droneboat. Comparing a SNI and a Rattler based on missile damage alone is just plain idiotic.
OP didn't mention his level of drone skills so I was under the assumption he's mostly trained for the SNI/RNI skills which needs barely any drone skills.
That being said now that OP has mentioned that he wants something that's afk friendly a Rattlesnake is definitely a good choice if you have the sentry drone skills to back it up since drones keep shooting even after a target is dead and the Rattlesnake has a massive tank to work with so you can overtank it so you can easily permatank most missions. If your drone skills are poor stick with the SNI for the time being while you train the drone skills up. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
146
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Posted - 2015.04.04 09:03:01 -
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op the raven navy is faster than a scorpion navy in my experience as it often needs one less salvo to kill rats. But if u want to fly a sni i would fit it like
[Scorpion Navy Issue, mission] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Internal Force Field Array I
Large Micro Jump Drive X-Large Shield Booster II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II
where as the mjd mostly is used as a gtfo option |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
94
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Posted - 2015.04.04 09:49:38 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:A Rattlesnake is a completely different ship to an SNI/Golem/RNI since it is primarily a droneboat, unless OP has drone skills a Rattler won't do him any good. As for the SNI, it's definitely useable as a L4 mission ship but I would prefer a RNI since you don't need all that tank for L4s and the application bonus on the RNI is very useful.
I have a bunch of fits saved but I'm not at home, I'll update the post later when I get home if you need specific fits. when was the last time you've flown Rattler? Since when Rattler completly different from SNI? even without drones they got almost the same dps. ....If your drones skills are terrible, flying a Rattler would be a waste as you'd get more out of an SNI/RNI and you'd be losing out on a key reason to fly a Rattler since it's primarily (read: not exclusively) a droneboat. Comparing a SNI and a Rattler based on missile damage alone is just plain idiotic. OP didn't mention his level of drone skills so I was under the assumption he's mostly trained for the SNI/RNI skills which needs barely any drone skills. That being said now that OP has mentioned that he wants something that's afk friendly a Rattlesnake is definitely a good choice if you have the sentry drone skills to back it up since drones keep shooting even after a target is dead and the Rattlesnake has a massive tank to work with so you can overtank it so you can easily permatank most missions. If your drone skills are poor stick with the SNI for the time being while you train the drone skills up.
No no no Even if you able to use T1 versions of heavies and sentries (which is not require much skill to be trained) you would simply outperform SNI full stop |
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Syrias Bizniz
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
399
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Posted - 2015.04.04 11:18:12 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:A Rattlesnake is a completely different ship to an SNI/Golem/RNI since it is primarily a droneboat, unless OP has drone skills a Rattler won't do him any good. As for the SNI, it's definitely useable as a L4 mission ship but I would prefer a RNI since you don't need all that tank for L4s and the application bonus on the RNI is very useful.
I have a bunch of fits saved but I'm not at home, I'll update the post later when I get home if you need specific fits.
>Gurista Ship >Droneskills required
A 3 weeks old toon can run L4s in a Gila.
All you need for the Rattler is the ability to launch Heavy Drones, the Rolebonus does the rest.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1136
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Posted - 2015.04.04 11:54:04 -
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navy raven outperforms in most cases due to it's application bonus.
With large missiles the base damage is already pretty high but you need to be able to make them apply to cruisers or you spend far too much time on them. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4312
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Posted - 2015.04.04 20:04:30 -
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The SNI will have an advantage over the Rattlesnake when applying EM and explosive damage, but the Rattlesnake will have a higher alpha for thermal and kinetic damage - in addition to the extra drone damage. The one thing that hasn't been pointed out is that the Rattlesnake receives its missile damage bonus from Gallente Battleship, so if this isn't trained up that makes a huge dent in missile damage.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
95
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Posted - 2015.04.04 22:07:13 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:The SNI will have an advantage over the Rattlesnake when applying EM and explosive damage, but the Rattlesnake will have a higher alpha for thermal and kinetic damage - in addition to the extra drone damage. The one thing that hasn't been pointed out is that the Rattlesnake receives its missile damage bonus from Gallente Battleship, so if this isn't trained up that makes a huge dent in missile damage.
Good catch up! So, scratch the Rattler from the view all eyes at mighty Golem (isk machine). |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
146
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Posted - 2015.04.04 23:19:51 -
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btw anybody tried a rhml sni/rni/rattle? its one weapon system i havent checked out |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
119
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Posted - 2015.04.04 23:34:50 -
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One thing to mention, with Cruise Missiles all the Caldari BSs have the same dps. (except for the rattler). However, their volley varies. The Raven and the SNI have the same volley. The CNR and the Golem have the same volley.
For example (for me, with my implants and ship mods.):
Raven - 1025 dps / 6172 volley, 5% RoF, 10% vel. SNI - 1025 dps / 6172 volley, 5% RoF, 4% resists CNR - 1025 dps / 8229 volley, 10% vel., 5% exp. rad. Golem - 1025 dps / 8229 volley, 10% vel., 5% exp. vel. Rattlesnake - about 1690 dps / 7451 volley (900 missiles, 790 heavies), 10% bonus on Kin. and Therm. missiles, 275% for sentries and heavy dmg and hit points.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
146
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Posted - 2015.04.04 23:53:17 -
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Ion Kirst wrote:One thing to mention, with Cruise Missiles all the Caldari BSs have the same dps. (except for the rattler). However, their volley varies. The Raven and the SNI have the same volley. The CNR and the Golem have the same volley.
For example (for me, with my implants and ship mods.):
Raven - 1025 dps / 6172 volley, 5% RoF, 10% vel. SNI - 1025 dps / 6172 volley, 5% RoF, 4% resists CNR - 1025 dps / 8229 volley, 10% vel., 5% exp. rad. Golem - 1025 dps / 8229 volley, 10% vel., 5% exp. vel. Rattlesnake - about 1690 dps / 7451 volley (900 missiles, 790 heavies), 10% bonus on Kin. and Therm. missiles, 275% for sentries and heavy dmg and hit points.
-Kirst
i would like to see your rattle fit as my damage is pretty much 50/50 with 1550 dps 820 in missiles rest in drones and i dont see any way of increasing the damage besides implants ok and i fitted sentries in eft |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
119
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Posted - 2015.04.05 00:59:42 -
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Rattlesnake:
5 x Cruise II, Scourge Fury, 3 x Caldari BCUs, 900dps
2 x Ogre II, 3 x Drone Dmg Amp II, 793 dps
Mids: whatever
CM-603, MP-703, GP-805, TN-903, RL-1005.
Have to be honest, those numbers are from EFT. I do not have a Rattler.
I do have the other BSs, and my numbers in game match the numbers in EFT for them. So, they are right on.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Senex Legio The Old Contemptibles
285
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Posted - 2015.04.05 17:04:37 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:op the raven navy is faster than a scorpion navy in my experience as it often needs one less salvo to kill rats. But if u want to fly a sni i would fit it like
[Scorpion Navy Issue, mission] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Internal Force Field Array I
Large Micro Jump Drive X-Large Shield Booster II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II
where as the mjd mostly is used as a gtfo option
That's about 2 or 3 too many TPs.
"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
146
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Posted - 2015.04.05 22:54:59 -
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Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:op the raven navy is faster than a scorpion navy in my experience as it often needs one less salvo to kill rats. But if u want to fly a sni i would fit it like
[Scorpion Navy Issue, mission] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Internal Force Field Array I
Large Micro Jump Drive X-Large Shield Booster II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II
where as the mjd mostly is used as a gtfo option That's about 2 or 3 too many TPs.
tbh i know that too but dont know what else to fit in those mids as the tank is more than enough in my experience, also should say even my raven navy had 2 tp's and as a scorp doesnt have the application bonuse 3 tps should be in order still the last i dont know |
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Senex Legio The Old Contemptibles
286
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Posted - 2015.04.06 04:39:38 -
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My alt runs a SNI for Level IV missions that's set up like this:
[Scorpion Navy Issue, L4 Mish] Co-Processor II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Heavy Tapered Capacitor Infusion I, Cap Booster 800x4 Experimental 100MN Afterburner I Republic Fleet Target Painter Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II
Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5
Cap Booster 800 x16
Obviously, change hardeners as needed for the mission, and swap in Minmatar drones for Angel rats. I get plenty of damage application with this set-up.
"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
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Traejun DiSanctis
30plus Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
100
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Posted - 2015.04.07 05:59:40 -
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For Caldari L4 mission runners, it mostly a simple trade-off between the SNI and CNR. The Scorp is tankier, while the Raven pumps out a little more deeps. That's really it. You'll be generally more efficient in the CNR, with the SNI being perhaps preferable for low SP players in some of the more harry L4's (Worlds Collide, comes to mind).
The instant difference is basically price. There's fully fitting SNI's on contracts in hi-sec for as low as ~60% the cost of a CNR. If L4's are simply the means to an end for you - i.e. make some ISK and move on to null - then grab the SNI and same yourself as much as 400M ISK. |
Mike Whiite
Geuzen Inc
372
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Posted - 2015.04.07 06:40:55 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:op the raven navy is faster than a scorpion navy in my experience as it often needs one less salvo to kill rats. But if u want to fly a sni i would fit it like
[Scorpion Navy Issue, mission] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Internal Force Field Array I
Large Micro Jump Drive X-Large Shield Booster II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II
where as the mjd mostly is used as a gtfo option That's about 2 or 3 too many TPs. tbh i know that too but dont know what else to fit in those mids as the tank is more than enough in my experience, also should say even my raven navy had 2 tp's and as a scorp doesnt have the application bonuse 3 tps should be in order still the last i dont know
Sebo's, Ab's, Shieldbooster amplifire, web to name a few
The Up in the SNI is it's surplus on CPU and Powergrid, because you only need to fit 6 launchers. which leaves room for a Drone damage mod in your last low slot for example, making it do more raw damage than the RNI.
The SNI is a more versatile ship than the RNI, cheaper and easer to fit, and a relative cheap option to do some lvl 5 missions
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Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2015.04.08 05:59:02 -
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You do not want to take an SNI (or CNR, for that matter) into deep low-sec. Definitely not null. Unless its one of those out of the way systems that nobody frequents - think, dead end 0.1-0.4 systems where people go to rat or run sites - your shiny mission running BS is going to get blagged fast. Since most L5's are in low- or null-sec, you're going to want to try to avoid them like the plague. Besides, L5 rewards generally aren't worth the trouble.
If you insist on L5's and taking your 700M - 1B+ ISK BS into these systems, do your homework. Scout them and the gate(s) in/out. See when they are most active. Avoid systems that are near to any very active parts of null/sov, those will have lots of traffic and tend to be loaded with gate camps looking to pick off lone ships heading to or from their corp's holdings. Check kill stats as well. Do so for the system you want to putz around in and those around it. That's generally the best indication of how likely you are to actually get your BS to the mission site. Also of value is checking to see if one corp is responsible for a good number of the kills - that's going to be another excellent indicator of likelihood of survival. If a particular corp is "claiming" the area, you're going to be up the creek without a paddle.
Good luck. |
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