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Amarr knight
LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:51:00 -
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Currently this ship has a 100 m3 drone bay. For which it can launch 4 heavy drones. Which does very nice dps but creates the problem of not having any backup drones.
Now if this ship gets into a fight, any smart pilot will pop it drones and render it rather useless.
So to solve this problem u can increase it dronebay to 200 m3. But that creates the problem of this ship fielding 5 heavy drones. Which increases the dps quite a lot.
How to fix this?
How about a simple solution. Nerf its drone damage bonus from 10% to 9/8/7% (not sure about the exact number) so that it keeps the previous dps even with fielding 5 heavy drones.
That way it can keep the previous dps and carry extra drones.
Any thoughts?
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:52:00 -
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Why not fit Medium drones only?
I got the impression that light drones were for frigs, medium for cruisers and heavy for battleships?
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starship enginer
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:58:00 -
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it needs a drone bay of 150M^3 but only a bonus to medium drones imo
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:58:00 -
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Kinda off topic but why would you ever use 4 heavies instead of 3 heavies and 2 meds?
And I think it'll be fine as is, drone kill-ability is one of their few weaknesses so it's all cool. - - - - - - - - - -
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DeadRow
True Core
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Posted - 2006.10.25 14:58:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with the drone bay at the moment tbh. Its the rest of the ship thats the problem /DeadRow, True Core
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McTaggart
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: DeadRow There's nothing wrong with the drone bay at the moment tbh. Its the rest of the ship thats the problem
I see no problem whatsoever.
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Heelay Ashrum
Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 25/10/2006 15:04:18
Originally by: Sandra Tseng Why not fit Medium drones only?
I got the impression that light drones were for frigs, medium for cruisers and heavy for battleships?
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the reason is simple ... vexor have 75m3 and drone dammage bonus.. so using vexor with medium, give the same dps as myrmydon. WHo will use a myrmidon if a vexor can do same dps?
Some other considerations: * myrmidon have 5 turrets and no bonus.. vexor have 4 turrets and 25% dammage * Myrmidon cat much better but u wiull use it with mwd / get to nos range) so u will have a sig radius of a bs... vexor cannot compare tanking, but have much smaller sig radium
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starship enginer
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Originally by: Sandra Tseng Why not fit Medium drones only?
I got the impression that light drones were for frigs, medium for cruisers and heavy for battleships?
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the reason is simple ... vexor have 75m3 and drone dammage bonus.. so using vexor with medium, give the same dps as myrmydon. WHo will use a myrmidon if a vexor can do same dps?
people who fit guns? people who want a better tank? people who ahh forget it
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lofty29
Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:03:00 -
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With the new 50% hp, I just had a 5 minute long fight with another myrmidon. It was awesome ---
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Rafein
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:04:00 -
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Ya, I would rather see it around 175 tbh, more inbetween the Vexxor and the Domi.
Would give up a turret and 2 highs for it.
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Heelay Ashrum
Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 25/10/2006 15:09:07 Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 25/10/2006 15:07:56
Quote: people who fit guns?
will use brutix?
Quote: people who want a better tank?
correct but.. what about sig radius? if u will ( obviusly) use nos u need a mwd in that ship. and myrmyd with mwd have sig radius of a BS. U considered that?
Quote: people who ahh forget it
Dont think wrong. I dont want a uber ship.. remove some more turrets and make it a REAL drone ship.
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starship enginer
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:12:00 -
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it will not get a drone dmg bonus and the space to fit 5 heavy t2 drones they are not that stupid
but it should get the bonus to MEDIUM drones, and then then 150 drone space
also this ship imo is the worst tier 2 BC for sure. best setup i can see is something along the lines of this
2x energized, 1600mm plate, medium armor rep, dcu MWD: 20km : web : 2x tracking desrupters 5x 150mm rails T2, 3x small nosf
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 25/10/2006 15:14:38
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Quote: people who fit guns?
will use brutix?
The Myrmidon is the first Gallente ship to not have a Hybrid bonus of any sort. Yes, even the Ishtar and Vexor have Medium Hybrid Bonuses! To be frank, its not Gallente without that bonus, even if you only have 5 turrets. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
DeadRow
True Core
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: McTaggart
Originally by: DeadRow There's nothing wrong with the drone bay at the moment tbh. Its the rest of the ship thats the problem
I see no problem whatsoever.
Are you sure? The first problem I saw (yes its been pointed out by others in another thread but still is a problem) is that it has more turret slots then the Megathron but less powergrid. It also has no tracking bonus and they decide to slap a tracking penlty onto null ammo. I sit here and wonder why I would switch from my beloved Megathron to do to this.. this.. monstrosaty.
Although if anything has changed since I last saw the stats last night(which i doubt has) please inform me /DeadRow, True Core
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Amarr knight
LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: DeadRow
Originally by: McTaggart
Originally by: DeadRow There's nothing wrong with the drone bay at the moment tbh. Its the rest of the ship thats the problem
I see no problem whatsoever.
Are you sure? The first problem I saw (yes its been pointed out by others in another thread but still is a problem) is that it has more turret slots then the Megathron but less powergrid. It also has no tracking bonus and they decide to slap a tracking penlty onto null ammo. I sit here and wonder why I would switch from my beloved Megathron to do to this.. this.. monstrosaty.
Although if anything has changed since I last saw the stats last night(which i doubt has) please inform me
Guys please read my post before replying. This is a thread for tier 2 BC, not tier 3 BS.
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Heelay Ashrum
Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu Edited by: Hllaxiu on 25/10/2006 15:14:38
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Quote: people who fit guns?
will use brutix?
The Myrmidon is the first Gallente ship to not have a Hybrid bonus of any sort. Yes, even the Ishtar and Vexor have Medium Hybrid Bonuses! To be frank, its not Gallente without that bonus, even if you only have 5 turrets.
a accept the lack of this bonus and even have less turrets if we can have a true droneship BC. as it is now it's not a drone user, not a gunship not a nos ship .. it's something vague in the middle ... i think realy it will be better with huge drone bay and les hydrys fore power ( for ballance ).
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DeadRow
True Core
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr knight Guys please read my post before replying. This is a thread for tier 2 BC, not tier 3 BS.
ops reading ftw I guess /DeadRow, True Core
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Centurin
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Centurin on 25/10/2006 15:21:08
Quote: Are you sure? The first problem I saw (yes its been pointed out by others in another thread but still is a problem) is that it has more turret slots then the Megathron but less powergrid. It also has no tracking bonus and they decide to slap a tracking penlty onto null ammo. I sit here and wonder why I would switch from my beloved Megathron to do to this.. this.. monstrosaty.
Although if anything has changed since I last saw the stats last night(which i doubt has) please inform me
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Amarr knight
LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zhaine Kinda off topic but why would you ever use 4 heavies instead of 3 heavies and 2 meds?
And I think it'll be fine as is, drone kill-ability is one of their few weaknesses so it's all cool.
I could be worng but i think the damage is the exactly same for 4 t2 heavies vs 3 heavies and 2 meds.
One of the major reason drone changes was giving the dedicated drone ships the ability to carry backup drones. This ship is clearly missing that abilty.
Not asking for a dps increase, just a bigger drone bay.
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Temo Jick
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:30:00 -
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If they gave it a 200m3 drone bay 3 high slots and no turret or launcher slots I for one would be perfectly happy with it. There are ships that just use turrets. And ships that just use misciles. But no ships that just use drones.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Temo Jick If they gave it a 200m3 drone bay 3 high slots and no turret or launcher slots I for one would be perfectly happy with it. There are ships that just use turrets. And ships that just use misciles. But no ships that just use drones.
Ishtar has 3 turrets... carriers have 0... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Arushia
Nova Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr knight
Originally by: Zhaine
One of the major reason drone changes was giving the dedicated drone ships the ability to carry backup drones. This ship is clearly missing that abilty.
Not if you're using medium drones on it, which is probably what CCP is trying to force you to do. True, it won't out-DPS the Vexor with them, but it'll definitely out-tank the Vexor.
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Amarr knight
LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Arushia
Not if you're using medium drones on it, which is probably what CCP is trying to force you to do. True, it won't out-DPS the Vexor with them, but it'll definitely out-tank the Vexor.
But if you only use medium drones, its dps doesnt really fall in the same category of other tier 2 BCs.
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Temo Jick
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Posted - 2006.10.25 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Temo Jick If they gave it a 200m3 drone bay 3 high slots and no turret or launcher slots I for one would be perfectly happy with it. There are ships that just use turrets. And ships that just use misciles. But no ships that just use drones.
Ishtar has 3 turrets... carriers have 0...
True, but thats 3 turrets with a damge bonus, you can squeeze quite a lot of dps out of those. I wouldnt feel right not making use of them. As for carriers, you cant enter high sec, you cant enter deadspace, you have the mobility of a the worlds fastest snail and you have to pay through the nose to buy one. I generaly ignore the existance of capital ships.
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Aruik
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: starship enginer
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Originally by: Sandra Tseng Why not fit Medium drones only?
I got the impression that light drones were for frigs, medium for cruisers and heavy for battleships?
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the reason is simple ... vexor have 75m3 and drone dammage bonus.. so using vexor with medium, give the same dps as myrmydon. WHo will use a myrmidon if a vexor can do same dps?
people who fit guns? people who want a better tank? people who ahh forget it
People who fit command modules in the high slots and still deal considerable damage with drones?
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Jacob Holland
Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:10:00 -
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I would like to see the bonus modified to effect light and medium drones to discourage people from using heavies in it. The 100m3 drone bay is tight but if the bonus extended to repair and EWar drones as well it would be justifiably tight, I'm imagining a drone fit of 5 medium scouts (or five lights and five spare lights), 5 light shield or armour maintainence bots and 5 light EWar; That would give it a level of versatility which fits nicely between the Vexor and the Domi. Yes it's not excessive in terms of damage output - the Drake will tear it several new orrifices - but that versatility is much better IMO than four heavies.
Originally by: cordy
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EvilNate
Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:13:00 -
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LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, IT'S SEXY
Nate
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.25 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: EvilNate LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, IT'S SEXY
Nate
No. The way it is now with no gun DPS bonus and a **** poor 100m3 it has **** DPS compared to everything else with a USELESS tanking bonus. Why fit reps when a huge plate is better?
Give it a 5% damage bonus to medium hybrids and a 200m3 drone bay.
Because I said so...
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.25 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aruik
Originally by: starship enginer
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Originally by: Sandra Tseng Why not fit Medium drones only?
I got the impression that light drones were for frigs, medium for cruisers and heavy for battleships?
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the reason is simple ... vexor have 75m3 and drone dammage bonus.. so using vexor with medium, give the same dps as myrmydon. WHo will use a myrmidon if a vexor can do same dps?
people who fit guns? people who want a better tank? people who ahh forget it
People who fit command modules in the high slots and still deal considerable damage with drones?
Why the f#ck would I want to deal comparable damage to a cruiser with my BC?
Because I said so...
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xenodia
Gallente RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.25 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr knight Moved from Ships and Modules -Eldo
Currently this ship has a 100 m3 drone bay. For which it can launch 4 heavy drones. Which does very nice dps but creates the problem of not having any backup drones.
Now if this ship gets into a fight, any smart pilot will pop it drones and render it rather useless.
So to solve this problem u can increase it dronebay to 200 m3. But that creates the problem of this ship fielding 5 heavy drones. Which increases the dps quite a lot.
How to fix this?
How about a simple solution. Nerf its drone damage bonus from 10% to 9/8/7% (not sure about the exact number) so that it keeps the previous dps even with fielding 5 heavy drones.
That way it can keep the previous dps and carry extra drones.
Any thoughts?
Or leave the drone bay how it is, but make the damage bonus more, but only apply to light and medium drones. This will encourage people to carry 2 flights of mediums or a mix of mediums and lights. In other words, fix the damage bonus so that myrmidon with 5 mediums gets same damage as it would right now with 4 heavies (or 3 heavies and 2 mediums).
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