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Illuminaty
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Posted - 2006.10.26 18:46:00 -
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The BS just seem so close to what we've already got.
I own a Dominix and a Megathron because they are both very diffrent ships that do diffrent things.
At this point the Hyperion seems like a remix of the Megathron, so truth be told, I'm not excited by it.
My suggestion: Leave the Rokh alone as it does something new, and turn the rest into racial EWar ships along the lines of the Scorpion. I'd be more excited to get ships that do something new. Like the Webber/Painter, Warp Jammer/Damper, Tracking Disruptor/NOS(or Neut) pairings as the EWar specalities for the diffrent races.
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Illuminaty
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:17:00 -
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Here are some brain storms for some examples of stuff that would make me more excited. The current proposed ships on test just feel like a re-hash of existing ships. Except for the Rokh.
-Malestorm-
Bonus 1: Stasis webber range and target painter effectiveness. Bonus 2: Seige Launcher ROF bonus. Role Bonus: -80% combat drone damage, 350 m3 drone bay.
Many missile points, a lot of mids, few lows.
Torpedo + Ewar/utility drone boat. Would provide support for other ships like ravens or maybe even dreads while supporting itself.
-Hyperion-
Bonus 1: Sensor damper strength and warp disruptor range. Bonus 2: Large Hybrid tracking bonus. Role Bonus: Can fit Skirmish Warfare command modules.
5-6 turret points, a lot of mids, few lows. Low mass, good agility.
-Abbadon-
Bonus 1: Tracking Disruptor effect and Energy Neut range. Bonus 2: Armor resists.
Half and half missile/turret slots.
Give it a _huge_ drone bay, and good natural cap stats.
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Illuminaty
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.27 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: Illuminaty on 27/10/2006 06:15:55
Originally by: Nifel
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/10/2006 11:05:29 About the Maelstrom (very brief)
The problems as a artillery platform
* 8 projectile turrets with no dmg bonus means its not better at alpha strikes than the apoc or any other 8-turret battleship. Needs a damage bonus to get a valuable role in fleets.
Err... it is? The tempest for example has more alphastrike than the apoc with 8x tachyons. A maxed out tempest pilot will have the equalivent of 7.5 turrets. The Maelstorm will have 8 turrets. 8 > 7.5 = QED.
This just caught my attention:
8/7.5 = 1.0667
Is 6.7% enough diffrence to even justify making a new ship?
The Hyperion/Malestorm/Abbadon just seem so 'wtf, why would I pay more for a ship that really does the same damn thing as another ship that I already have'.
Edit:(I mean for ffs, combine lag with the need to activate more turrets and your probably doing less damage)
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Illuminaty
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.27 07:23:00 -
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FFS, just fit an faction gyrostab instead of a gyrostab II then.
6.7% is a diffrence that is only going to be noticable in a theoretical discussion about something or an e-peen measuring contest. It isn't sufficent grounds to base an entire battleship around.
I'd be happy if they took the Hyperion, Maelstorm, and Abaddon back to the drawing board and came back with something that _adds_ to the ship lineup like the Rokh adds to the caldari lineup.
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Illuminaty
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Phenom Fighter Im seeing a lot of people posting 'These ships should be better' compaired to their Tier 1 and 2 counterparts. Why?
They definatly shouldn't be better, they should be different. More spec'd etc...
Tech 2 should be better, not Tier's.
And that is the crux of the problem with the Tier3 battleships that are not the Rokh:
Either make them appreciably better -or- appreciably diffrent. It has to be one or the other.
6.7% better and a random bonus because you couldn't think of anything is not sufficent grounds for a new battleship.
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Illuminaty
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.28 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz a question concerning the Hyperion, gallente seem not too happy about it when comparing to the megathron
but when i compare it to the tempest i cant help but wonder that its a great BS
it got same mass, 10 m/s less base speed, a 35% bigger cap than tempest, 28% bigger cap than mega (granted similar recharge rate), better tankability, much better dmg (even with electrons), same scan resolution even compared to mega you are faster with more initial cap at hand and you will most likely waste less cap getting close to your target than mega cause you are more agile/faster
with 5 mids you can use double web and dont have to worry about tracking
while i agree that the armour rep bonus is rather weak if compared to resistance bonus, does that ship need more?
as to being similar to mega, i am afraid every ship designed to be a blasterboat will have similarities, atleast in this case you can choose btw the bigger glasscannon with neutrons (mega) or a slightly more survivable on with electrons(hype) and doubleweb
I could be wrong but hype doesnt look nearly as bad to me
You hit the nail on the head.
The Hyperion looks like a -very- good ship.
The Megathron is for a fact a -very- good ship.
The problem is that they are good ships for the -same- reasons.
I want a new ship, not a re-mix of the Megathron. When they said it was going to be a blaster boat, my reaction was: "well ok, lets see what the 'next level' of dedicated blaster ship is."
Well, now they have unveiled it, and my reaction is: "hey wtf, that's a Megathron with a spoiler and a racing stripe, you said we were getting a -new- ship. Like how the Caldari got the Rokh."
The reactions to the Abaddon and Maelstorm seem to be in a similar vein.
They either need to make the ships better -or- diffrent. Right now they are kinda sorta barely better, but not really, and diffrent if your defining diffrent as not being an identical copy.
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Illuminaty
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.28 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Illuminaty on 28/10/2006 21:03:08
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne
Originally by: Gabriel Karade Lets not go down the whole; Cruiser = bigger Frigate, Battleship = bigger Cruiser road. It's boring and lacking originality.
because just makeing a better version of already existing battleships needs so much more originality.
at least for amarr our frig and crusier lineup offers some versatility in the form of drone, ewar and missile ships besides the standard amarr lasers and tank. when you get the the battleship level we already have 2 ships specializing in lasers and armor tanks. we do not need a 3rd.
You're missing my point. If you just make a Battleship-sized version of the EW cruiser, it makes the cruiser obsolete (more slots, more HP's e.t.c). There needs to remain role differences between the ship classes to ensure diversity.
Oversized EW support boats don't help IMO.
Right. Because the whole Caldari Blackbird + Scorpion line is a total fiasco.
People fly both, and they would scream bloody murder if CCP tried to remove one or the other.
edit: You should also note that the one tier 3 BS that everyone seems to like is the Rokh, which funnily enough is the only tier 3 battleship that did follow the frig->cruiser->battlecruiser->battleship progression.
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