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Perry
Amarr The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.15 15:38:00 -
[661]
How about changing the Abaddons RoF Bonus to something usefull, like
+10% faster logoff / lvl
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.11.15 15:52:00 -
[662]
Originally by: PSEWAR
Originally by: Tricit At least it would suit the Amarrian way to fight with the Battleships lineup and fire their devestating Lasers while the smaller ships line up in front to keep the smaller Enemy ships away from the own Battleships.
Unfortunatly something like that will never work in Eve, since most fights never even happen unless you warp in at optimal. People will never fight their way through a picket of cruisers to kill a battleship, they will just warp in, kill the battleship, and warp out...
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PSEWAR
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.15 15:57:00 -
[663]
Originally by: Noriath
Unfortunatly something like that will never work in Eve, since most fights never even happen unless you warp in at optimal. People will never fight their way through a picket of cruisers to kill a battleship, they will just warp in, kill the battleship, and warp out...
Then these long range ships should at least have enough armor and/or resistance (an other attribute of the amarrian race) that there is enough time for the cruisers to help the battleships. ;)
I know thats just a dream atm but hey eve changes with every patch, 3 years ago everyone dreamed about a possibility to built player owned structures and nowadays many Corps have them. ;)
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Einar Matveinen
Gallente Segunda Fundacion O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.11.15 17:20:00 -
[664]
Sorry, i don't know if my question has been answered already, i'd like to know if the gallente Hyperion appearance is going to be the same as the Megathron when Kali reaches Tranquility.
Is there any image of the Hyperion's appearance?.
Thanks. -- Rekister÷itynyt Linux kSyttSjS nro 221083 Katso Gentoo Linux |
Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.15 17:50:00 -
[665]
Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 15/11/2006 13:16:52 @ Lobo Noturno
we know from Tux that rokh and mael share same role as long range platform (rails and arty shield tank boats)
What? Rokh is the ONLY long range platform in the game. Rokh has no damage bonus(and suxx as damage dealer). Bad joke from the Tux. We need on Rokh 5% damage bonus not useless 5% shield resistance bonus. And it will be good fleet ship.
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PSEWAR
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.15 18:03:00 -
[666]
Originally by: Zixxa Bad joke from the Tux. We need on Rokh 5% damage bonus not useless 5% shield resistance bonus. And it will be good fleet ship.
I would be very happy to exchange the current abaddon with the rokh if you don't mind.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.15 18:10:00 -
[667]
Originally by: PSEWAR
Originally by: Zixxa Bad joke from the Tux. We need on Rokh 5% damage bonus not useless 5% shield resistance bonus. And it will be good fleet ship.
I would be very happy to exchange the current abaddon with the rokh if you don't mind.
Please, I do not need ship without any damage bonus. I have Ferox. It is trash in PvP, helpful only with ECM(before Kali, after Kali Ferox is pure trash). Abaddon, Tempest, Mega, Hyperion, Maelstrom, Apoc, Geddon will beat Rokh 24/7 in fleet. --------------------------------- Hint: Train for Mega, not for Rokh R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM>
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PSEWAR
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.15 18:13:00 -
[668]
Originally by: Zixxa Abaddon, Tempest, Mega, Hyperion, Maelstrom, Apoc, Geddon will beat Rokh 24/7 in fleet.
If you are so sure about this you should accept my offer.
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.15 18:23:00 -
[669]
Originally by: PSEWAR
Originally by: Zixxa Abaddon, Tempest, Mega, Hyperion, Maelstrom, Apoc, Geddon will beat Rokh 24/7 in fleet.
If you are so sure about this you should accept my offer.
i think we have a very good opportunity here to make both zixxa and us amarrians happy.
now we just need to convince tux that this would be way better for caldari: rokh: 5% hybrid rof, 5% shield resists abaddon: 10% laser optimal, 5% armor resists
i say we let zixxa work on convincing tux and we'll take it upon ourself to try and get amarrian pilots to accept this horrible optimal bonus.
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.15 18:37:00 -
[670]
Originally by: Uldyr Vulpayne abaddon: 10% laser optimal, 5% armor resists
Hawt. THAT would almost make up for having to use 2 cap injectors.
Hey, if its good enough for Caldari, why not for Amarr?
Nyxus
It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö
Originally by: Tuxford I love how you guys can take stats from a test server that is few months out of date and then panic over them.
Gee, wonder why..
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.15 18:42:00 -
[671]
Originally by: Zixxa Edited by: Zixxa on 15/11/2006 17:51:09
Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 15/11/2006 13:16:52 @ Lobo Noturno
we know from Tux that rokh and mael share same role as long range platform (rails and arty shield tank boats)
What? Rokh is the ONLY long range BS platform in the game. Rokh has no damage bonus(and suxx as damage dealer). Bad joke from the Tux. We need on Rokh 5% damage bonus not useless 5% shield resistance bonus. And it will be good fleet ship.
still trolling around?
it is not supposed to be the only long range bs platform ingame...
and about your statement... you say that damage it crap... show that plz, i posted graph you posted nothing...
and you continue to say tank is useless, range is useless, dps is useless... what is usefull for long range/fleet action? the MWD as you posted a bit ago?
if you think that i'm so wrong plz post your data to enlight me
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.15 19:27:00 -
[672]
Originally by: Ath Amon
Originally by: Zixxa Edited by: Zixxa on 15/11/2006 17:51:09
Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 15/11/2006 13:16:52 @ Lobo Noturno
we know from Tux that rokh and mael share same role as long range platform (rails and arty shield tank boats)
What? Rokh is the ONLY long range BS platform in the game. Rokh has no damage bonus(and suxx as damage dealer). Bad joke from the Tux. We need on Rokh 5% damage bonus not useless 5% shield resistance bonus. And it will be good fleet ship.
still trolling around?
still trying tutorial?
Originally by: Ath Amon it is not supposed to be the only long range bs platform ingame...
May be it is not supposed. but now Rokh is the ONLY long rage BS platform.
Originally by: Ath Amon and about your statement... you say that damage it crap... show that plz, i posted graph you posted nothing...
Get calculator and calculate. Few examples: Mega = 7*1.25 = 8.75 guns Tempest = 6*1.25*1.33 = 10 guns And Tempest has better alphastrike.
Quote: and you continue to say tank is useless,
In fleet tank is useless. Nobody can tank being locked primary more than ping time.
Quote: range is useless,
Range may be useful in some conditions. But it far to be so useful as pure dps. Let's replace range bonus for damage bonus, ok?
Quote: dps is useless...
You lie.
Quote: what is usefull for long range/fleet action? the MWD as you posted a bit ago?
Yes, MWD is useful, but it depends from stupidity of enemy. Fleet ABC for you, noobie. For fleet must important thing is ALPHA-STRIKE! And Rokh's alpha strike is LAUGHFUL. Second most important thing for fleet is DPS. And Rokh's DPS is miserable. --------------------------------- Hint: Train for Mega, not for Rokh R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM>
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Pille Dufrais
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Posted - 2006.11.15 19:37:00 -
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Why are you all wasting your time talking about this - I'll eat my hat if there is any significant change to any of the new ships (particularly abaddon :) before kali is released. Especially considering their planned release date.
Asking for feedback on the ships is a cosmetic "we care" exercise, they won't change anything.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.15 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Pille Dufrais Why are you all wasting your time talking about this - I'll eat my hat if there is any significant change to any of the new ships (particularly abaddon :) before kali is released. Especially considering their planned release date.
Asking for feedback on the ships is a cosmetic "we care" exercise, they won't change anything.
Because I am in fury. Just in fury. I lost millions SP in missiles and Caldari BS/Caldari cruisers(thank you, TUX, thank you very much). --------------------------------- Hint: Train for Mega, not for Rokh R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM>
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ProphetGuru
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.15 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: ProphetGuru on 15/11/2006 19:50:47 This may quite possibly be the most useless thread I have had the displeasure to read since beta.
It's disorginized and impossible to properly read without getting a headache. Their has been no dev interaction on ANY proposals here, and their have been a number of very good ones.
If we wanted another 21page ***** session with no feedback we coulda made it on our own to be honest.
These ships have not changed much since they hit test, and you are discussing a deployment in 1 week ffs. WTF is the point of us testing stuff if no compensations are made. 3 of the 4 ships in this post need to be tweaked. I would dare say 2 of the 4 approach uselessness.
Have you learned nothing since the clusterfrack named castor?
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.15 19:51:00 -
[676]
Edited by: Ath Amon on 15/11/2006 19:53:00
Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Ath Amon
Originally by: Zixxa Edited by: Zixxa on 15/11/2006 17:51:09
Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 15/11/2006 13:16:52 @ Lobo Noturno
we know from Tux that rokh and mael share same role as long range platform (rails and arty shield tank boats)
What? Rokh is the ONLY long range BS platform in the game. Rokh has no damage bonus(and suxx as damage dealer). Bad joke from the Tux. We need on Rokh 5% damage bonus not useless 5% shield resistance bonus. And it will be good fleet ship.
still trolling around?
still trying tutorial?
as you see my avatar is clearly visible.. (not as your) so probably i finished the tutorial a bit, before you
Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Ath Amon it is not supposed to be the only long range bs platform ingame...
May be it is not supposed. but now Rokh is the ONLY long rage BS platform.
Originally by: Ath Amon and about your statement... you say that damage it crap... show that plz, i posted graph you posted nothing...
Get calculator and calculate. Few examples: Mega = 7*1.25 = 8.75 guns Tempest = 6*1.25*1.33 = 10 guns And Tempest has better alphastrike.
little problem is that arty and rails have not the same stats so your gun comparsion is worth nothing as they are using different weapons...
to do a simple example... if i have a weapond that do 30x dps of another one i can mount just 1 gun and outdps by a far amount a ship that mount 10 guns with *1.25*1.33
Originally by: Zixxa
Quote: and you continue to say tank is useless,
In fleet tank is useless. Nobody can tank being locked primary more than ping time.
Quote: range is useless,
Range may be useful in some conditions. But it far to be so useful as pure dps. Let's replace range bonus for damage bonus, ok?
Quote: dps is useless...
You lie.
if tank is useless so is the dps...
Originally by: Zixxa
Quote: what is usefull for long range/fleet action? the MWD as you posted a bit ago?
Yes, MWD is useful, but it depends from stupidity of enemy. Fleet ABC for you, noobie. For fleet must important thing is ALPHA-STRIKE! And Rokh's alpha strike is LAUGHFUL. Second most important thing for fleet is DPS. And Rokh's DPS is miserable.
i alredy posted the graph showing the dps difference of mael/pest/rokh... you said it was a lie and posted nothing...
and about who is the noobie...
Originally by: Zixxa
I hope you are right, because I am going to train rails, but I do not see how Rokh may be more useful even than Mega.
how is that you are so expert of fleet battles and hybrid weapons BS if you have yet to train rails?
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.15 19:56:00 -
[677]
Edited by: Aramendel on 15/11/2006 19:57:23
Originally by: Zixxa
Quote: and you continue to say tank is useless,
In fleet tank is useless. Nobody can tank being locked primary more than ping time. ...
Quote: dps is useless...
You lie. ... Second most important thing for fleet is DPS. And Rokh's DPS is miserable.
You are contradicting yourself here. A tank is the counterpart to dps. If a tank is useless dps is useless as well. If dps is important a tank is important, too.
Note that "tank" does not necessarily mean "active armor/shield tank" or "passive recharge shieldtank", an "I have 1 zillion extenders/plates fitted where you have to chew through first" is a tank as well. When people use the "passive tank" term for fleet setups they mean the "HP buffer" tank, not the "shield recharge" tank.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.15 20:22:00 -
[678]
Final thoughts on the Hyperion:
Its too similar to the Megathron. With the tracking nerf on Null, it will be more beneficial to use the Megathron over the Hype.
Also, the Mega can fit damage rigs more easily than the Hype for both Blasters and Rails. This means its DPS WILL be superior for both blasters (plus the extra tracking) and rails.
Oh and it costs 100m more than the mega. What a crock of crap.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.15 20:57:00 -
[679]
Edited by: Goumindong on 15/11/2006 20:59:17
Originally by: Nyxus
Originally by: Uldyr Vulpayne abaddon: 10% laser optimal, 5% armor resists
Hawt. THAT would almost make up for having to use 2 cap injectors.
Hey, if its good enough for Caldari, why not for Amarr?
Nyxus
If that happened, at least the only other ship that could retaliate in kind would be the Rokh and its far enough out that using a logistics ship works[because the Abaddon could hang at 240km and the logistics ship 30km behind that, making it untargetable].
A small price to pay for the 33% DPS drop.
edit: Aramendel, i have told Zixxa this three times already, and even showed how a 50% resist tank[3 low slots] is better in relative DPS than a 50% damage boost[also 3 lowslots]
She just doesnt understand basic logic.
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Atar
Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.16 05:35:00 -
[680]
Originally by: ProphetGuru Edited by: ProphetGuru on 15/11/2006 19:50:47 This may quite possibly be the most useless thread I have had the displeasure to read since beta.
It's disorginized and impossible to properly read without getting a headache. Their has been no dev interaction on ANY proposals here, and their have been a number of very good ones.
If we wanted another 21page ***** session with no feedback we coulda made it on our own to be honest.
These ships have not changed much since they hit test, and you are discussing a deployment in 1 week ffs. WTF is the point of us testing stuff if no compensations are made. 3 of the 4 ships in this post need to be tweaked. I would dare say 2 of the 4 approach uselessness.
Have you learned nothing since the clusterfrack named castor?
I have to agree we could at least use a thread on each ship, but no one is going to read though 23 pages of this stuff.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 08:37:00 -
[681]
Originally by: Zixxa I hope you are right, because I am going to train rails,
Ahh Okay, I guess that explains your total lack of any kind of clue expressed in pretty much every post you made. Never ever fired a gun in EVE yet, have we? Optimal, falloff, tracking, what IS that?!?! And of course DPS is the one and only meaningful variable in combat ever...
--------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.16 11:03:00 -
[682]
Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Ath Amon
Originally by: Zixxa Edited by: Zixxa on 15/11/2006 17:51:09
Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 15/11/2006 13:16:52 @ Lobo Noturno
we know from Tux that rokh and mael share same role as long range platform (rails and arty shield tank boats)
What? Rokh is the ONLY long range BS platform in the game. Rokh has no damage bonus(and suxx as damage dealer). Bad joke from the Tux. We need on Rokh 5% damage bonus not useless 5% shield resistance bonus. And it will be good fleet ship.
still trolling around?
still trying tutorial?
Originally by: Ath Amon it is not supposed to be the only long range bs platform ingame...
May be it is not supposed. but now Rokh is the ONLY long rage BS platform.
Originally by: Ath Amon and about your statement... you say that damage it crap... show that plz, i posted graph you posted nothing...
Get calculator and calculate. Few examples: Mega = 7*1.25 = 8.75 guns Tempest = 6*1.25*1.33 = 10 guns And Tempest has better alphastrike.
Quote: and you continue to say tank is useless,
In fleet tank is useless. Nobody can tank being locked primary more than ping time.
Quote: range is useless,
Range may be useful in some conditions. But it far to be so useful as pure dps. Let's replace range bonus for damage bonus, ok?
Quote: dps is useless...
You lie.
Quote: what is usefull for long range/fleet action? the MWD as you posted a bit ago?
Yes, MWD is useful, but it depends from stupidity of enemy. Fleet ABC for you, noobie. For fleet must important thing is ALPHA-STRIKE! And Rokh's alpha strike is LAUGHFUL. Second most important thing for fleet is DPS. And Rokh's DPS is miserable.
I kinda feel better now, I guess I'm not the only one that Zixxa treats so poorly. Zixxa, you really should refrain from calling everyone a liar. It's not acceptable.
Because I said so...
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.11.16 11:48:00 -
[683]
Originally by: murder one
I kinda feel better now, I guess I'm not the only one that Zixxa treats so poorly. Zixxa, you really should refrain from calling everyone a liar. It's not acceptable.
I think it's partly a problem with his/her poor English skills, and partly a problem with him/her being an immature *******. I think it's something like a 20%/80% mix of those.
I wish these forums had an "ignore" filter.
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Dumus
Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.11.16 11:56:00 -
[684]
Way too many posts to read as you have lomped them all togther
Anyway the Abidon. I tried a few setups and this ship is a waste! I cannot ever see me wanting to fly this on TQ. Cap runs out too fast and its DPS is a joke for whats supposed to be a top of the line ship. I can out kill it in an absolution!
And besides it looks like a dogs breakfast of a design imo ---------------------------
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.16 14:42:00 -
[685]
Originally by: Ath Amon as you see my avatar is clearly visible.. (not as your) so probably i finished the tutorial a bit, before you
Stop trolling.
Originally by: Ath Amon it is not supposed to be the only long range bs platform ingame...
May be it is not supposed. but now Rokh is the ONLY long rage BS platform.
Originally by: Ath Amon
Originally by: Zixxa
Get calculator and calculate. Few examples: Mega = 7*1.25 = 8.75 guns Tempest = 6*1.25*1.33 = 10 guns And Tempest has better alphastrike.
little problem is that arty and rails have not the same stats so your gun comparsion is worth nothing as they are using different weapons...
It has no big difference. But Mega has 8.75 rails while Rokh(o my God!) has 8. And mega uses less capa. And tempest is better than Mega(for fleet), even after nerfing apha strike. Would you be so kind to calculate Hyperion?
Originally by: Zixxa
Quote: and you continue to say tank is useless,
In fleet tank is useless. Nobody can tank being locked primary more than ping time.
Quote:
if tank is useless so is the dps...
Tank is useless in fleet battle. Dps is useless in fleet battle. Ok, I AM SORRY, politically correct statement. Tank is ALMOST useless in fleet battle. Dps is ALMOST useless in fleet battle.
Quote: i alredy posted the graph showing the dps difference of mael/pest/rokh... you said it was a lie and posted nothing...
It is enough.
Originally by: Zixxa how is that you are so expert of fleet battles and hybrid weapons BS if you have yet to train rails?
I am **** pure missile, pure Caldari ALT! And I my missiles ARE USELESS in PVP. --------------------------------- Hint: Train for Mega, not for Rokh R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM>
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.16 14:47:00 -
[686]
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: Zixxa I hope you are right, because I am going to train rails,
Ahh Okay, I guess that explains your total lack of any kind of clue expressed in pretty much every post you made. Never ever fired a gun in EVE yet, have we? Optimal, falloff, tracking, what IS that?!?! And of course DPS is the one and only meaningful variable in combat ever...
I am *** missile ALT. Pure missile ALT. Pure Caldari. And FYI, dude, dps is only meaningful variable in combat only for you. For fleet battle counted not dps, but alpha-strike. And with zero alpha-strike(missiles) I am zero in fleet battle. But with smaller gangs we are going for dps. And in terms of dps missile boats suck again. --------------------------------- Hint: Train for Mega, not for Rokh R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM>
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meppa
Black Omega Security The OSS
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:09:00 -
[687]
Edited by: meppa on 16/11/2006 17:34:11 Now with 50% cap increase in sisi (along with 50% longer cap recharge time) abaddon can sustain tachyon fire for 1 minute 30 seconds (5/4 cap skills, 4 on gunnery cap usage skill), tested also with 2 cap relays and got whopping 3 second increase in time, so 1 minute 34 seconds while losing 20km on optimal range. Apparently cap batteries or boosters might be more helpful, but isn't it bit harsh that long range bs needs cap booster just to sustain gunfire for more then 90 seconds?
And yes i truly was just running 2 sensorbooster II, 2 tracking computer II and 8 tachyonbeam II with aurora L.
Some update. Changed one tracking comp to heavy cap injector, had to ditch med repper for power diagnostics. This time i managed to shoot long enough, but not long enough to deal enough damage to bring down a domi that wasn't running reppers, but had 1600mm plate. Also i was burning those cap booster charges so fast that i need an industrial to follow me in fleet ops.
I would like to say at this point that abaddon is totally pointless ship even with capasitor changes.
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Mareia
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:59:00 -
[688]
-Rumor- PS Tux said he was thinking about changing abaddons bonus to damage rather than ROF. Make him do this ASAP. -Rumor-
If this is true, I will be very happy with the abbadon and a very happy amarr BS skill V Pilot
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meppa
Black Omega Security The OSS
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:02:00 -
[689]
Rof to damage won't help much, that means 25% slower cap drain, so basically 25% longer combat time, brings it up to to around 2 minutes.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:22:00 -
[690]
Edited by: Ath Amon on 16/11/2006 18:23:16 as long as rails is so superior to other turrets you will need 3 ship bonuses to compete with rokhs...
don't think this is going to happen
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