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Sic Maggot
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:22:00 -
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Now I'm a fairly new character that had to take a month off (for family reasons) and now I want to make some good honest money for myself by mining and building. A carebear if you will.
Now here's the whole deal:
A) The corp I am in is run by an ex-pirate turned carebear B) We had blue standings with Everflow [EVF] C) We also have standings with the local pirate corp Black Fleet [BKFT] (whom we pay generously for standings)
We never have problems with BKFT holding up to the bargain. They never target us, we never harass them. Now EVF on the other hand, assumed that we were working for BKFT.
So just last night i was mining in Sotrenzur, minding my own business, when an EVF (based in Katugumur) member named Mikael Maudite accused my corp of mining for pirates. Our corp was blue to them until last night when Mikael took the liberty of making false accusations and changing standings towards our corp.
As I undock in my Hoarder, to pick up the rest of my minerals, he goes ahead and takes out my ship with a Tempest. Keep in mind that EVF are suppsedly Anti-Pirates. It was my impression that Anti-pirates were there to protect the weak and uphold the law where Concord was not available.
This thread is a warning to all that are blue to EVF. Be cautious while near to them. They might actually make false accusations and stab you in the back when you least expect it.
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Reash
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:27:00 -
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You were funding pirates, encouraging the pirates to stay in the area, what they did makes sense if they are anti-pirate.
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H4rd P01Nt
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:32:00 -
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"C) We also have standings with the local pirate corp Black Fleet [BKFT] (whom we pay generously for standings)"
Agreed, you were funding pirates. Killing you hurt's the pirates funding, thus Anti-Pirate imo.
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Scoundrelus
Unseen Jihad
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:39:00 -
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You guys are reading only a section and responding only to that section imo. It's less about them being anti-pies and more about the fact that they broke Positive standings. Great work Mr. Comprehension. Furthermore I support the killing of miners, however when you do it and still paint yourself with the anti-pie brush then it's wrong. Basically if they stay in the area and don't pay BKFT then they get killed by the pirates. If they stay and do then they get killed by the anti-pirates. Frankly that in my opinion is a bit ridiculous for them. Stuck between two sides like that, EVF is supposed to protect the miners by taking out the pirates, not stuff like this.
What they basically did is jump into a belt mid-ransom and kill the victim so he won't pay. Breaking positive standings is lame. Killing miners for paying off pirates so they can mine in peace... ugh. If anything all this will do is cause the miners to align themselves with the pirate thus making the anti-pies job a lot harder. I really wish people would start using their brains.
SIDE NOTE: Hey I live in that area, how come you don't pay me protection money? =============================================== We are Watching You. |
kublai
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: kublai on 26/10/2006 19:44:20 haha, Anti-Pirates are in 90% of the case imbeciles who just wanto justify killings, and dont have half a ball.
The remaining 10% are the exception with people who do it properly, but let's face it, every newbie idiot and his grand daddy calls himself an anti-pie these days.
Because the anti's can't kill the pirate/blackmailer, they destroy their victims to cut off their source of income, that's real pro.
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Scoundrelus
Unseen Jihad
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sic Maggot
B) We had blue standings with Everflow [STABS]
Fixed. =============================================== We are Watching You. |
merv1
The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: merv1 on 26/10/2006 20:03:04
Originally by: kublai Edited by: kublai on 26/10/2006 19:44:20 haha, Anti-Pirates are in 90% of the case imbeciles who just wanto justify killings, and dont have half a ball.
The remaining 10% are the exception with people who do it properly, but let's face it, every newbie idiot and his grand daddy calls himself an anti-pie these days.
Because the anti's can't kill the pirate/blackmailer, they destroy their victims to cut off their source of income, that's real pro.
You have just described Ever Flow perfectly. 90% of them are indeed imbeciles especially Mikael Maudite who I've personally seen tell an industrialst in the area that she was "KOS" because she was talking to someone else and telling them about having been escorted by a pirate once a long time ago. It also describes perfectly Miximus Maximus or the "Fleet Commander" as he tells his people to call him who warped a gang of EVF to a gate and a few of them got BBQ'd when they jumped through because he had taken his group of anti-pies with low security status to a .6 area
Hey Maggot, sorry it happened but we told you guys not to trust them.
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Sic Maggot
The Red Exhilez
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:14:00 -
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Hey Maggot, sorry it happened but we told you guys not to trust them.
I know Merv, but i figured that positive standings actually meant something to some people.
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Lucifer Fellblade
Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.26 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lucifer Fellblade on 26/10/2006 20:32:57
Originally by: kublai Edited by: kublai on 26/10/2006 19:44:20 haha, Anti-Pirates are in 90% of the case imbeciles who just wanto justify killings, and dont have half a ball.
QFMFT
If they had a problem with you 'funding pirates' they would:
A) Stop the pirates hurting you so you didn't have to pay them B) Talk to you about it BEFORE blowing you up. ------
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Karlemgne
Red Navy Faction Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.26 21:10:00 -
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I'm sick so I'll keep this short.
To the two of you who said that miners paying ransoms equates to miners being pirates and shootable to anti-pies:
Far be it from me to tell an anti-pirate how to be an anti-pirate, since I am in fact a pirate, BUT... are you kidding me? So the miners don't pay the pirates in an active pirate area and get blasted by the pirates, or they do pay the pirates, and the anti-pirates that live by them blow them up. Shouldn't it be the anti-pirates job to get rid of the pirates, so the miners don't have to pay?
Its kind of like expecting the law to go after businesses who pay organized crime when money is extorted from them. Its ridiculous.
As far as Everflow, well yes, they have ALWAYS behaved this way. Mikael Maudite has been outlaw before, and is almost outlaw now. Why? He'd tell you it is because of "low sec politics." The truth, which comes from almost every carebear I've talked to who has encountered EVF in low sec, is that EVF selectively decides who is a "pirate" and who isn't. So if they see a nice juicy hauler, or a mining op, they'll attack... then claim later that some mythical source informed them that the people they attacked were "pirate alts."
Now that I think about it a newb came through not that long ago complaining of being popped by EVF and allies while mining in a newb ship in Eifer. Popped, then podded if I recall correctly.
-K
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Sic Maggot
The Red Exhilez
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Posted - 2006.10.26 22:07:00 -
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Yes well today i was accused of being a "pirate alt" by Mikael Maudite just because i said:
Sic Maggot > well well well if it isnt the worlds stupidest anti pirate Mikael Maudite > oh boy you must be a john dean alt Mikael Maudite > your smack is just as unoriginal as his
It's this kind of harassment that makes me not even want to play this game. I don't even have an alt. It's hard enough trying to skill up one character.... let alone 2.
My apologies to Mikael for name calling. Still sore over your backstabbing.
NEWS FLASH
As i was mining and preparing this post, me and a corpmate were scared off by 2 EVF members that jumped into system.
This is the local chat that followed:
Sic Maggot > well thanks for ruining my day of mining
Mikael Maudite > my pleasure
Sic Maggot > and you call yourself an antipirate
Mikael Maudite > and i am
Mikael Maudite > grats maggot you got a block too (He previosly blocked a member of BKFT for talking to him.)
Sic Maggot > i thought you were supposed to protect miners from pirates?
Dimera Killer > Well, since you blocked him, I'll post it: Sic Maggot > i thought you were supposed to protect miners from pirates?
Mikael Maudite > you can't be blue to both of our corps m8
Mikael Maudite > it's that simple
Dimera Killer > And why not?
Dimera Killer > Just because YOU say so??
Dimera Killer > Pfffffft
Mikael Maudite > ?
Mikael Maudite > what's wrong with that? :P
Dimera Killer > Who are you to say who another corp can/can not be blue to??
Mikael Maudite > i set standings for ever flow
Mikael Maudite > you will not get blue standings from ever flow
Mikael Maudite > if you are blue from the alliance we are at war with
Dimera Killer > On what grounds may i ask?
Dimera Killer > Ah. so we can't pay for protection just like all the other mining corps in this game?
Mikael Maudite > dimera -> blocked
Mikael Maudite > there is no debate or negotiation-
Mikael Maudite > choose one side or the other
Mikael Maudite > period.
Azmura > but pirating miners is ok?
Dimera Killer > And you claim to be an anti-pirate....
Sic Maggot > well i appreciate the fact that an antipirate wont allow a miner to mine.... so now i have to log because i cant play my game now.
Sic Maggot > thanks a ton EVF
Sic Maggot > oh and a message to all:
Sic Maggot > you should not trust EVF while mikael maudite controls standings.
Sic Maggot > he will stab you in the back at his own will
Sic Maggot > that is all
merv1 > Man, we tried to tell you that.
Sic Maggot > i know... but i dont control the corp im in
Sic Maggot > i just joined
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DarknessInc
Minmatar Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.10.26 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: DarknessInc on 26/10/2006 22:16:16 Edited by: DarknessInc on 26/10/2006 22:15:53 Get 2nd Account. Train up Alt. Make him look real. NPC, run missions etc. Enter that corp. Rise to the top and then wipe them clean.
or just hire GHSC to do it for you. O.o thats vengeace. Ha.
Also Anti-Pirates are supposed to hunt people who pirate, not industrialists that want to live. Though the ISK you pay the Pirates to be left alone buys more shiney ships for the Anti Pirates to blow up.
O.o man are those some stupid antipirates or are they just tired of having to blow up pirates they gotta turn on Industrials, which then change them from Antipirates to just plain Pirates.
PS: I just thought of this. wouldnt it be funny if those 'antipirates' warped in on a Mining Op you leaked to them, and found that mining op PLUS an armed guard of Black Fleet battleships and cruisers?!?!?!
<.< thats ALSO vengeance ___________________ I love you -Cortes I love him more -Suvetar I love him the most -Oveur Back off he's mine. All Mine --Eris
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Karlemgne
Red Navy Faction Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.26 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Karlemgne on 26/10/2006 22:19:58 Edited by: Karlemgne on 26/10/2006 22:18:16 Well, Mr. Maggot, now you know what everyone else who's had contact with Mikael Maudite knows. The man has fuzzy and inconsistent logic on the brain.
For instance, its bad for us pirates to shoot miners, but not him.
He'll tell you to not take the game seriouslly, then come into local and shout personal insults (and spam in all caps local.)
Or he'll complain when we have non-war related allies in the system, and the previous day he'll have been in a blob of 20 or so, more than half being EVF non-war allies.
Welcome to diplomacy with the Eifer corridor's faimed "anti-pirate" pirates.
On a side note, I must not be doing my job well, because I consitently get carebears telling me they are just affraid when an EVF blob is in the system, as when pirates are.
-Karlemgne CEO Red Navy Faction
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spRAYed
MisFunk Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:27:00 -
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Anti Pirates. Funny people. ------------------------------
pArlT? Ur watching too many movies dude... ^Sig by Liu Mang |
JoeT
Amarr Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Sic Maggot
B) We had blue standings with Everflow [STABS]
Fixed.
lol
But if they are anti-pirate, they shoudlnt attack a helpless miner --- If i'm posting on the forums, it's mostly cause i'm at work :D
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Scoundrelus
Unseen Jihad
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:51:00 -
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I'm starting to think EVF [STABS] would make an ideal pirate corp for me... too bad I'm a recovering pirate. =============================================== We are Watching You. |
Scoundrelus
Unseen Jihad
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Posted - 2006.10.26 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: DarknessInc Edited by: DarknessInc on 26/10/2006 22:16:16 Edited by: DarknessInc on 26/10/2006 22:15:53 Get 2nd Account. Train up Alt. Make him look real. NPC, run missions etc. Enter that corp. Rise to the top and then wipe them clean.
or just hire GHSC to do it for you. O.o thats vengeace. Ha.
Also Anti-Pirates are supposed to hunt people who pirate, not industrialists that want to live. Though the ISK you pay the Pirates to be left alone buys more shiney ships for the Anti Pirates to blow up.
O.o man are those some stupid antipirates or are they just tired of having to blow up pirates they gotta turn on Industrials, which then change them from Antipirates to just plain Pirates.
PS: I just thought of this. wouldnt it be funny if those 'antipirates' warped in on a Mining Op you leaked to them, and found that mining op PLUS an armed guard of Black Fleet battleships and cruisers?!?!?!
<.< thats ALSO vengeance
Black Fleet has already dealt billions in damage to Ever Flow. 1.2 bil of it was within a single ship. Made me quite rich. =============================================== We are Watching You. |
Karlemgne
Red Navy Faction Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: DarknessInc Edited by: DarknessInc on 26/10/2006 22:16:16
Also Anti-Pirates are supposed to hunt people who pirate, not industrialists that want to live. Though the ISK you pay the Pirates to be left alone buys more shiney ships for the Anti Pirates to blow up.
O.o man are those some stupid antipirates or are they just tired of having to blow up pirates they gotta turn on Industrials, which then change them from Antipirates to just plain Pirates.
Ex-*******-actly.
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Krystal Divine
Minmatar The Red Exhilez
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:07:00 -
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I am the CEO of Red Exhilez and would like to correct a few things said here.
Sic Maggot, we DO NOT PAY the pirate corp not to shoot at us. My RL fiance is a director in sed pirate corp and had them fix us to blue so that our up and coming corp wouldn't be shot at. (Might cause RL problems if you catch my drift.) That said, I'd like to make it clear that REZ does NOT fund any pirate corp at all, in any way/shape/form. We do not sell/build them ships. They do not protect us when we mine. Basically, the only thing we have to do with them is share living quarters. EVF KNEW that my RL fiance was in the pirate corp, which is basically why they kicked me out, claiming that I was "spying" even though I offered them generous amounts of information showing who the real spies were. EVF (unless they're, let's say, "slow") should have been smart enough to know that corp run by me would not be the target of pirates of whom my fiance is affiliated with. We were nothing but cooperative with EVF. I, personally, even went on a few anti-pie runs with them. An attack on a miner who is blue to you is nothing but piracy in and of itself.
End of discussion.
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Fred 104
New Justice
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Reash You were funding pirates, encouraging the pirates to stay in the area, what they did makes sense if they are anti-pirate.
That's like a doctor killing the patient to get rid of the disease.
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Scoundrelus
Unseen Jihad
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Krystal Divine I am the CEO of Red Exhilez and would like to correct a few things said here.
Sic Maggot, we DO NOT PAY the pirate corp not to shoot at us. My RL fiance is a director in sed pirate corp and had them fix us to blue so that our up and coming corp wouldn't be shot at. (Might cause RL problems if you catch my drift.) That said, I'd like to make it clear that REZ does NOT fund any pirate corp at all, in any way/shape/form. We do not sell/build them ships. They do not protect us when we mine. Basically, the only thing we have to do with them is share living quarters. EVF KNEW that my RL fiance was in the pirate corp, which is basically why they kicked me out, claiming that I was "spying" even though I offered them generous amounts of information showing who the real spies were. EVF (unless they're, let's say, "slow") should have been smart enough to know that corp run by me would not be the target of pirates of whom my fiance is affiliated with. We were nothing but cooperative with EVF. I, personally, even went on a few anti-pie runs with them. An attack on a miner who is blue to you is nothing but piracy in and of itself.
End of discussion.
By the way, I have pics of Krystal if anyone is interested. 1 Bil per. =============================================== We are Watching You. |
Laci Lee
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
By the way, I have pics of Krystal if anyone is interested. 1 Bil per.
Weirdo.
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Grant Smith
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.10.27 00:49:00 -
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Bwahahaha, EVF are a bunch of carebear pussies with Ego's too big to keep control of. You should never trust them.
Infact... you should never even talk to them, unless you feel like smacking 'em!
Last time I fought EVF they smacked me for docking my Mega in a 9 v 1 Apparently I'm a ***** for docking when the odd's are 9 to 1 and not in my favour.
Regardless... I was 3-0 up on them that day, guess they were pretty ****ed.
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Scoundrelus
Unseen Jihad
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Posted - 2006.10.27 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Laci Lee
Originally by: Scoundrelus
By the way, I have pics of Krystal if anyone is interested. 1 Bil per.
Weirdo.
Oh come on, you'd do the same thing! =============================================== We are Watching You. |
Devian 666
Snakes in a Pod
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Posted - 2006.10.27 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: kublai Edited by: kublai on 26/10/2006 19:44:20 haha, Anti-Pirates are in 90% of the case imbeciles who just wanto justify killings, and dont have half a ball.
The remaining 10% are the exception with people who do it properly, but let's face it, every newbie idiot and his grand daddy calls himself an anti-pie these days.
Because the anti's can't kill the pirate/blackmailer, they destroy their victims to cut off their source of income, that's real pro.
I totally agree.
Either this guy is a cunning pirate or a complete fool. Cunning pirate would act (in local) and lie through his teeth and claim that his victims are in fact pirates. It's a good method of pirating.
However, if he is the complete fool he may in fact believe that he is an anti-pirate. I'm afraid people who claim to be anti-pirates are either lying or crap pvpers. Cool an orange sig |
Tony Redeye's
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Posted - 2006.10.27 03:12:00 -
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Okay..first of all, krystal devine's account is sometimes comandeered by her fiance "John dean"..who IS a member of BFT a corp that we are at war with, so that is why she was removed from our corp. It would be impossible to tell who was playing her account. Second of all...John dean himself admitted that Krystal builds ships for him, so that alone IMO constitutes aiding a pirate corp. Third...we ARE anti-pirate meaning any pirate regardless of sec status will be terminated in or around our space. Our goal is not to "police" the area we live in, But rather to protect our assets and interests in the area. We actively hunt and kill pirates in the area because the pose a threat to our haulers and miners. Lastly...as far as who is winning...I have killmails that can prove that we have destroyed more BFT ships BY FAR than BFT has destroyed ours. Oh and Grant Smith is one of the biggest smack-tards/whiner in the game...and In fact lost an Arazu in our space just a few days agoSo get your score-board straight or better yet check our killboards, PC! One last thing....Why isnt PC posting their loss-mails to EVF on their Killboards?! hmmm
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Scoundrelus
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.10.27 03:20:00 -
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Dude... Tony...
Look at every kill Everflow [STABS] has on BKFT. Most if not all involve like 7 ships on 1. Futhermore don't look at the number, look at the quality of the kill. What the ship was, what the items lost were. That is how you judge a kill. BKFT roams and kills, you guys sit at a gate in a mixed gang of 15 waiting for pirates to jump through. Everflow [STABS] has nothing that even comes close to equating with PvP skill. On top of that, your killboard is inaccurate, so don't try judging Pirate Coalitions killboard.
Furthermore, Mikael Maudite is on your corp and you tolerate him. That alone takes away all credibility. Mikael Maudite is WORSE then Ginger Magician in terms of smack. He makes Ginger Magician look like an absolute Saint.
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Krystal Divine
Minmatar The Red Exhilez
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Posted - 2006.10.27 03:20:00 -
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Firstly, yes, I build John Dean ships. He's the father of my child and the man I intend to marry. I'm not going to allow some BS game affect how I feel towards him. If he needs something in game, I'll do it for him if I can. I DO NOT, however, build ships for the rest of his corp. I'm sure the rest of bkft will back me up in this claim. They've often asked and I've often refused. How can you say you protect the area in which you reside when you blow up a hoarder? What? Scared of their T2 lasers? Was the tractor beam really that scary? Was he a member of a pirate corp? No, he wasn't. He wasn't flashy, and he's a member of a corp that was said to be blue to EVF. But I guess his hoarder really had it coming.
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Tony Redeye's
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Posted - 2006.10.27 03:23:00 -
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Quote: Black Fleet has already dealt billions in damage to Ever Flow. 1.2 bil of it was within a single ship. Made me quite rich.
Um...now your making stuff up and besides we are wealthier and better than ever! I think its funny how these pathetic bottom feeder pirates who spend all their time killing newbs in Eifer come to the forums to vent their frustrations over their incompentence in "removing us from Katugumur" You have declared war on us and spend it docked up in station. You have made several predictions on our demise..none of which have come into fruition.We are still here so flame on losers! and anytime you want some all you have to do is come to Kat!
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Karlemgne
Red Navy Faction Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.27 03:32:00 -
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Quote: Okay..first of all, krystal devine's account is sometimes comandeered by her fiance "John dean"..
Any proof of this? I would make accusations like that unless I could prove it. Regardless, in my opinion, if you started popping ships because of the person who might possibly be playing them at a computer somewhere you've aceived two things:
A. You are taking the game way to seriouslly B. You've created an enviornment for youself where EVERY person you see in local may, or may not be on your KOS list... not a healthy way to play imo.
Quote: who IS a member of BFT a corp that we are at war with, so that is why she was removed from our corp.
So what you are really saying is that you a punishing her in game, because you don't like her rl boyfriend. That's a tad on absurd side. Believe me, my wife and I are capable of playing the same game, and against eachother. Its foolish to punish one person and their corp for their PRIVATE RELATIONSHIPS out of game.
Quote: It would be impossible to tell who was playing her account.
Its impossible to tell who is playing any character in game. Better pop every miner you see, because there is an off chance that it will be ME on my mining alt.
Quote: Second of all...John dean himself admitted that Krystal builds ships for him, so that alone IMO constitutes aiding a pirate corp.
News flash mate, TSOR builds me ships, better go war dec them. They are aiding a pirate corp (along with 4 other industrial corps that operate in the area.)
Quote: Third...we ARE anti-pirate meaning any pirate regardless of sec status will be terminated in or around our space.
From what I've been hearing from more than one, two, and three sources now, EVF likes to pop mining ships, newbs, or anybody they see when they are bored, then insuniate that the person they've killed was a pirate (even those with HIGH sec ratings.)
Quote: Our goal is not to "police" the area we live in, But rather to protect our assets and interests in the area.
On a personal note, funny how this isn't the whole truth. And if it were, how ironic that your behavior has helped to make your alliance less safe, everywhere.
Quote: Lastly...as far as who is winning...I have killmails that can prove that we have destroyed more BFT ships BY FAR than BFT has destroyed ours.
*Sigh* You posted an ibis kill mail on a Black Fleet member who suicided you with civilin weapons. I won't get into this, but we all know that EVF and IAC have not faired well in the current war. You aren't beat by any means, but the "we're winning thing" is outrageous.
Quote: Oh and Grant Smith is one of the biggest smack-tards/whiner in the game...and In fact lost an Arazu in our space just a few days ago
I've never met the man, so that may be. However, out of EVERYONE I've ever met in EvE, Mikael Maudite is the biggest smacktard by far.
-Karlemgne CEO Red Navy Faction
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