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afkalt
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Posted - 2015.04.24 14:35:14 -
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Could have sworn this drivel was locked yesterday. |
afkalt
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Posted - 2015.04.24 16:55:53 -
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It's nothing to do with it being 'inappropriate' - it's straight up flame and troll bait, it's also a friggin repost of a locked thread. The idea itself being ludicrous is neither here nor there.
As to why it's ludicrous, way to put even more emphasis on isk/hour thus cementing older players vast income stream compared to newbies. |
afkalt
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Posted - 2015.04.26 14:44:54 -
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Apply to trading. Modify an order once per 24H
How'd you like them apples, OP? |
afkalt
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Posted - 2015.04.27 07:26:17 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:I can't believe that some people are so dumb to mention trading despite I explicitly told not to. Trading creates no ISK or material of any kind.
So what? Your shiptoasting is all about 'the little guy' being stomped by the no lifer/bots. Trading applies too, just it doesn't suit you, does it? Well that's too bad, maybe you should have thought this nonsense all the way through before posting it.
There's a certain irony in you calling people dumb in a thread this bad. It's literally a new low for this forum. That is going some. |
afkalt
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:12:29 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Lan Wang wrote:people will just buy more alts 1/10 stop being silly Out of curiosity...what was the 1 for?...
Having CCP officially lower the bar for a shitpost? |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.02 22:01:18 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Not only is this suggestion unbalanced (and to be clear ANY suggestion that is to benefit some segment of the games population will be exploitable by others outside that target population), it indicates Gevlon hates markets.
Suppose we have a no lifer guy who sits around and PvEs and ungodly amount of time. He rats for 10 hours a day and makes something like 100 million an hour and he does it 20 hours a day. Now he makes 20 billion. That is alot of isk. However, he will buy PLEX and assuming he has lets say 5 accounts that means he'll be dumping 4 of 20 billion into the wallets of people who can't or will not play to the extremes he does.
Suppose we have another player, he makes a good living and likes playing Eve, but because he does have a life (that good living requires a job) and he decides he'll buy PLEX from CCP and sell them to our no lifer above. Now he can have some of that 4 billion whenever he sells to the no lifer or one of the other no lifers.
That guy who has pretty much made it his "job" to play Eve has an imputed monthly income about what...$400. Whereas our guy with a life might make 6 or even 10 times that...he could afford to buy a few PLEX and sell them. And thanks to the no lifer driving up PLEX prices that is actually more of a viable option. And if our guy with the life whips out his credit card and buys years subscription he pays far, far less than our no-lifer.
And our two players are unlikely to ever interact....aside from our casual guy with a life maybe killing our no lifer periodically. The guy with no life all he does is rat. It isn't like he is out there doing much else.
So I don't even see what the real problem is here. So one player, who only ever rats, has a fatter wallet than the guy who plays casually and sells PLEX to fund his in game activities. Personally, I'd rather know the guy with a life in game than the no lifer. The guy with a life when he does play is probably way more fun and if the no lifer inadvertently helps him play...great.
Basically, I'm kind of wondering...where is the actual problem that needs to be addressed.
Precisely. Apparently some people forget plex are not seeded.
If plex halved in value now, why on earth would ANYONE spend real money on something affordable within 1-2 hours PvE?
It wouldn't do anything more than utterly tank the plex market. Oh, and make holders of existing assets orders of magnitude richer overnight.
Frankly the only upside of this thread has been to lower the bar for shiptoasting. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.03 17:22:42 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:James Baboli wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I'm all for a rest mechanic similar to WoW, perhaps affecting damage. A tired capsuleer should take some penalties. Nobody needs to play 16-23.5 hours per day, every day. A rest mechanic penalizing people who play more than 112 hours in a week (sliding window) will only harm botters and people who really should get more sleep. Now, explain why this is good for anyone. It only harms no-lifers, but some of the best times I've had in eve have come from marathon fleets, in one case 53 hours of near continuous play. Well then it wouldn't affect you. It would hurt the 23.5/7 bots but it wouldn't hurt actual players who actually play. If any actual players receive a penalty for it, it's probably helping them.
Can we stop with the selectively applied ridiculous nerf ideas. 'It's ok as long as it doesn't affect me' is pathetic.
No-one, but NO-ONE is fit to judge how people spend their time.
Not to mention the extra stress this puts on the hamsters. Also, what happens in tidi?
The whole damn idea has more flaws than an underwater hairdryer and is fixing a problem which does not exist. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.07 07:13:50 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Extending this idea . . . your market orders would only be active for a portion of the day, after all, market is a form of play as well.
No no no no, you see that would affect the OP and thus violates F&ID shiptoasting Rule #2: Your half baked idea cannot affect your gameplay style, just everyone elses.
The whole thing is a cornucopia of fail, a trainwreck of unbelievable proportion and yes, straight up trolling in my book because the entire concept is a preposterous oxymoron and anyone with an ounce of sense can see this.
"We have to protect newbies" ... by implementing the single greatest pressure imaginable on the isk/hour ratio thus placing the unassailable advantage in the hands of vets everywhere. Does OP think a newbro is going to compete in a two hour window with guys running WH escalations? Protip: Never going to happen in this lifetime, or the next. So said newbro can currently play a bit linger to make some scratch, but the proposal to "help" them blocks them from even this crushing and destroying their ability to compete at any level.
My cat could tell you this is a poster child for Malcanis Law. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.07 09:43:38 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Someone please link the every known language 'no' set...
Ask and you shall receive (With some bold):
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.07 17:56:32 -
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Felix Judge wrote:The question that OP asks is: Should a new account that runs 20+ hrs a day (and thus is likely a bot) earn 5 times more than a new account that runs 4 hrs a day
Yes because if it is a bot, CCP can take action. Otherwise, you don't get to tell people how they spend their free time.
Felix Judge wrote:If the return on time diminishes with more time spent, than human players - who cannot compete with bots in grinding ISK - get relatively more from their time than they do now. Which would increase player satisfaction of the majority of players that do not run bots. I.e. especially of newer players. Higher player satisfaction of newer player: higher new player retention rates.
People bot low end PvE activities. I, like most of the vets, don't do such pissant isk gathering. We indulge in a high level of isk making, one newbies or bots could never match in isk/hour stakes.
I repeat - show me a noob that is going to compete with high end PvE activities in an isk/hour and I'll show you a liar. High end PvE content requires high end skills, experience, cannot realistically be botted and can easily make tens of billions a week. All this crapfest does is ensure that noobs can never again purchase anything and the vets are unaffected. Shocker.
Even setting that aside, noob has a frigate. He spends two hours doing level 1 missions. I have a pimped marauder and I spend two hours hammering level 4s. Who makes more isk? Does the weath gap decrease, or increase?
Add the likelihood of a vet having alts and a noob not so should they so desire they can double down their income.
The noob is literally punished in every conceivable way.
Said noob quickly realises it's farmville with limits on what you can realistically do in a play session, logs off and never looks back.
Explain how this doensn't violate Malcanis's law and furthermore demonstrate with proof that bots are pricing noobs out the game and not, in fact, keeping T1 ship costs so low as to help newbies, who can sell drops/exploration content for isk.
And talking of bots/hardcore players, explain how someone who can play a few hours a day can compete in the market with these guys. Oh that's right they can't, but like all good nerf requests, OP doesn't want it affecting his part of the game as that is sacrosanct. |
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.07 19:38:06 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Example: I'm setting up a new PI planet, I'm doing so in the 5 minute waits whilst scripts run but there are times where I leave my computer open on the PI window whilst I do more actual work (some people read news etc whilst stuff runs, I do PI). How does the server time how long I'm doing PI for?
This is another good reason it's a stupid idea. The very notion PI can be botted/"hardcored" is like suggesting the same for the skill queue. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.07 20:11:18 -
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Of course it is fulfilled. The value of EXISTING liquid isk and assets increases massively.
People sitting on bil/trillions are worth even more overnight.
Quote: "Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of 'new players', that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."
Try harder.
You're the one arguing for game mechanics to hurt something that is against the EULA, not me. The onus is on you to prove that real players should suffer for those in violation of said EULA.
I see you're ignoring the market. Hi Gevlon. |
afkalt
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:20:46 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:This is the very problem: currently a normal human player is more or less mandated to buy extra PLEX-es to play EVE, making the game practically pay-to-win
What the hell are you smoking? Never in my life have I heard such utter drivel.
It is not even believable.
Mandated to buy plex indeed, what hogwash. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.09 08:30:40 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:afkalt wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:This is the very problem: currently a normal human player is more or less mandated to buy extra PLEX-es to play EVE, making the game practically pay-to-win What the hell are you smoking? Never in my life have I heard such utter drivel. It is not even believable. Mandated to buy plex indeed, what hogwash. Its the age of paid dlc's and in app purchases man...people accept and willingly pay for the base game, then the side stuff these days. They now think this common enough to be normal and smart. Old man rant about the young ones needing stuff now now now....and forgot the value of patience. Me I spammed level 4 then ratted in 0.0 on plain ole drake for quite a while. Then picked up a fire sale raven..spammed it. Noting special about these ships, not isk per our monsters but they paid the bills and made some extra to save up. But thats me, I learned eve is a journey not a destination. Shame really as its these idiots who ruined gaming as whole really imo. They bought into the whole dlc/in app purchase bit hook line and sinker. I remember many moons ago DLC content was already in the games and paid for. All you had to was unlock it with some good ole fashioned (and free) extra gameplay. Was this stuff unlock in one night? Not really. It was the carrot for replays, playing harder levels, doing off the wall crap in game, etc. Miss these days tbh.
I totally agree, though it still isn't a reason for the madcap tollpost OP.
I've lost billions worth of assets, killed countless more. I've not sold a plex, indeed I'm stockpiling them when I have spare isk yet I still have stables of pimped ships, capitals, high grade pods etc etc. I don't play that hard, I just play smart. |
afkalt
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Posted - 2015.05.09 21:34:26 -
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Enso Nibbana wrote:Why not just remove plex?
Well for me, for all I've never had to use it, it's a nice option to have available.
It's also a beautiful way to 'store' liquid isk if on an extended hiatus |
afkalt
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Posted - 2015.05.12 07:23:19 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: Quote:Nobody should feel the need to play the game 24/7 in order to be competitive. Which is the problem with PvE. Even if you run incursions or capital escalations, you'll earn less than the guy who run 10 veldspar miners all day. His main will have more ships, more mercs, more everything. People who can spend their limited time better should earn more ISK, not the people who have more time to run their accounts.
You fail to show how it is required to be 'competitive'.
The thing about Eve is, throwing isk at a fight doesn't win it. This is why you don't see officer fit frigates. This is why people still laught at stupid bling deaths. |
afkalt
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Posted - 2015.05.12 17:08:33 -
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Now I know you're trolling. Orders are adjusted 23.5/7/365. Likewise cancelled and fulfilled.
Or are you going to try and tell me 0.01isking doesn't happen? Are you going to tell me the trader who does this all day, every day can be competed with by someone playing an hour a night?
Life isn't fair, neither is eve. |
afkalt
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Posted - 2015.06.04 14:16:45 -
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Donnachadh wrote:re-work the entire concept so it affects all non-PvP
Keeping in mind that it is all but impossible to NOT PvP with ANY activity in this game. |
afkalt
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Posted - 2015.06.04 18:46:20 -
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Alexis Nightwish wrote:Something I find fascinating, at least from a sociological viewpoint is that if anyone else had posted this idea it would have received about a page of "This is bad, you're bad, and should feel bad" type responses and then dropped into the void. But because GG posted it, it's run 11 pages and shows no sign of stopping. It's like he has some sort of Bizzaro World cult of personality.
Fascinating.
No, we tried to have it stomped out for the trolling it was, repeatedly. But were told off because he cried to mom.
But you're right, anyone else wouldn't have been given the time of day and nor would it have been unlocked several times. |
afkalt
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Posted - 2015.06.05 09:08:45 -
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Donnachadh wrote:afkalt wrote:Donnachadh wrote:re-work the entire concept so it affects all non-PvP Keeping in mind that it is all but impossible to NOT PvP with ANY activity in this game. So typical of you to snip out a very small segment of a post and flat out ignore the most important part. Donnachadh wrote: non-PvP (insert traditional shoot other players ships definition here) Yea you know the part where I explicitly defined my use of the term PvP. See quote above.
I wasn't having a pop at you, chill out. I was laying down the point that the OP attitude of "don't hurt my bit of the game because it's PvP" is bullcrap. |
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afkalt
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:42:00 -
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Oh look, it's the "delayed response because everyone is ignoring my thread" bump. Again.
Quit feeding the troll for the love of all that is good and right. |
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