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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:43:00 -
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No one is really too happy with the Abbadon, and to a lesser extent the Harbinger. I propose that you redesign them as a mixed laser-drone platform. Not as drone oriented as their Gallente counterparts, they will require usage of lasers to compete with their peers (ie Nos+Drone combo not feasible). Here it is, plain and simple:
Harbinger 6-5-7 75m3 drone bay 6 turret hardpoints
Bonuses: 10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use per skill level 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level
Abbadon 7-5-7 175m3 drone bay 6 turret hardpoints
Bonuses: 10% bonus to Large Energy Turret capacitor use per skill level 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level
NOS + drone combo is not feasible. On the Harbinger it would be simply outclassed by Myrmidion running same setup. On Abbadon it would leave it vulnerable as it can't carry backup waves of drones. Focus is on combining damage with some versatility, something Amarr lacks atm. If you like this idea, post here. If you don't, then provide some constructive criticism and back it up with some facts. Stupid trolling comments will be ignored.
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Wicaeed
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:43:00 -
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No, they are both fine as they are!
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Logan Xerxes
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:47:00 -
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I think the Abaddon will be fine, kthnx...
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Logan Xerxes I think the Abaddon will be fine, kthnx...
Your graph conveniently ignores the fact Abbadon will be cap drained after 1min. Alos ignores the fact that Geddon and Apoc both make fine sniping platforms.
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven and to a lesser extent the Harbinger. Harbinger 6-5-7 75m3 drone bay 6 turret hardpoints
Bonuses: 10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use per skill level 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level
....people WHAT?
I've been hearing people raving about the harbinger being a mini-geddon!
heck I am even skilling for T2 med lasers so that I can fit some there.
tbh, the harbinger is good as it is. -------
Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak I've been hearing people raving about the harbinger being a mini-geddon!
heck I am even skilling for T2 med lasers so that I can fit some there.
tbh, the harbinger is good as it is.
Back it up with some numbers. Harbinger is no damage king. It lost it's 8th turret hardpoint making it substandard in pretty much every way compared to Hurricane.
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 27/10/2006 09:59:43
Originally by: Toaster Oven
Originally by: Grimpak I've been hearing people raving about the harbinger being a mini-geddon!
heck I am even skilling for T2 med lasers so that I can fit some there.
tbh, the harbinger is good as it is.
Back it up with some numbers. Harbinger is no damage king. It lost it's 8th turret hardpoint making it substandard in pretty much every way compared to Hurricane.
i'm not good with maths, so please do it for me.
however I still say that the harbinger seems really good in my eyes. 7 turrets + RoF bonus, 4 meds, and good number of low slots?
I'm sold.
edit: from the BC discusttion thread up there Quote: Amarr I see more of the same here. The Harbinger gets 7 guns, whereas the Absolution gets 6. Unless you have command ships level 5 (Damage AND ROF bonus on Absolution both come from this skill) I believe that a Harbinger comes very close DPS-wise. I didn't check the other BC's but the Harbinger has more armor HP than the absolution?
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Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.10.27 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Toaster Oven on 27/10/2006 10:11:27
Originally by: Grimpak i'm not good with maths, so please do it for me.
Okey dokey. Real setups computed using Kali ammo dmg stats.
Harbinger 7x Heavy Pulse II w/ Conflag + 1x Heat Sink II + 5x Valkyrie II = 601.2 DPS Hurricane 7x 220mm II w/ Hail + 1x Gyrostab II + 1x Hammerhead II + 4x Hobgoblin II = 579.8 DPS
So what does the Harbinger sacrifice for that palty dmg advantage? Hurricane can fit MAR II + 1600mm Tungsten + 10mn MWD II + Med Nos II. Harbinger only has room for MAR II and 10MN AB II. No room for plate or med NOS. So Hurricane tanks better, goes faster, much more cap, much less vulnerable to tracking disruptors, and has smaller sig radius. Tbh why would you choose to fly Harbinger?
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.27 10:17:00 -
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Nice discussion, but as asked please post in the tier 3 BS thread at the top as asked by the devs.
Locking this thread.
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