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Flaming sambuka
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:38:00 -
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With the myrmidon having this many slots you can do evil things with it, it has more than enough turrets to make it deadly without drones and then theres the drones and fantastic ew in the mids.
How about something like this (not quite sue if itl 100% fit but along these lines anyway)
Highs: med blasters (ions probably), 3x med nos
meds: mwd, web, scram, 2xsensor dampeners
lows: med rep, dc, 3x active hardeners
drones: heavy n med ECM drones
Now with the ecm drones combined with the 2 sensor damps do you think any enemy 1v1 will get a lock? If so have enough time to do any serious damage? You just blast away with your 5 blasters whilst draining his cap and tanking the measly damage he ever manages to do.
Have i overlooked anything? i really see this ship as being as the future solo i win button of eve :D
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka With the myrmidon having this many slots you can do evil things with it, it has more than enough turrets to make it deadly without drones and then theres the drones and fantastic ew in the mids.
How about something like this (not quite sue if itl 100% fit but along these lines anyway)
Highs: med blasters (ions probably), 3x med nos
meds: mwd, web, scram, 2xsensor dampeners
lows: med rep, dc, 3x active hardeners
drones: heavy n med ECM drones
Now with the ecm drones combined with the 2 sensor damps do you think any enemy 1v1 will get a lock? If so have enough time to do any serious damage? You just blast away with your 5 blasters whilst draining his cap and tanking the measly damage he ever manages to do.
Have i overlooked anything? i really see this ship as being as the future solo i win button of eve :D
Unless they radically change the way ECM drones work, a single ecm drone can jam anything if the player is able to scoop deploy fast enough. Its a good ship, and I think that smartbombs will become a lot more common now :) --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |
Soros
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:46:00 -
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1vs1 maybe. But put it into practice. Where can you find a no strings duel or enough time to kill them before their gang fleet / support turns up .. Its the same with any ship tbh you've made nice points not sure if i've got mine across.
if you find a juicy 1vs1 target then yes. you'll probally win.
but good like finding him oh and getting there without dieing !
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:46:00 -
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no damage bonus and 5 guns = same DPS as a vexor without drones, ie crappy
sensor damps = useless when using blasters, you might delay locking while getting into range but thats it, and as you have crappy DPS its not a big deal
ecm drones = not that effective
1 rep tank = anything with some DPS will totally own you
so... its more of an 'i-lose' button than anything
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starship enginer
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:49:00 -
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why would anyone use this crap ship over the domi??? not like the cost is that biga factor
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Flaming sambuka
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: starship enginer why would anyone use this crap ship over the domi??? not like the cost is that biga factor
Agility
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 27/10/2006 11:54:33
Originally by: Flaming sambuka ee this ship as being as the future solo i win button of eve :D
More like an "I Lose" button, unfortunately.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but in its current state it's quite underpowered compared to the other tier2s. Remember, it has no turret damage bonus, and the drone bay is tiny.
- If you use ECM drones, you'll be relying on 5 guns with no damage bonus for your damage. That's pitiful DPS.
- If you use medium drones, your DPS will be the same as a Vexor. Why do I want to use an expensive BC when a t1 cruiser does the same thing?
- If you use heavy drones, you'll only be able to fit 4 of them -- leaving you with subpar damage compared to the other tier2's, and to add insult to injury your heavy drones are ridiculously easy to kill with Kali's new longer combat times => your drones will die, then you will die since you don't have any spares.
The ship needs a drone bay of at least 150m3, so it can use a full set of heavy drones and have a few spares. Then it will be on the same playing field as the other new BCs.
All the other new BCs are pretty close to their HAC counterparts in power. Myrmidon is so far behind the Ishtar that words fail. Myrmidon has 4 heavy drones and no gun damage bonus, Ishtar has multiple *waves* of heavy drones *and* a gun damage bonus. Ho hum.
I suspect the devs thought this ship should use medium drones, but meds just don't cut it as the primary damage source for a BC.
There's a long discussion thread (multiple ones, in fact) about this in the Kali testing forum, go there.
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starship enginer
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka
Originally by: starship enginer why would anyone use this crap ship over the domi??? not like the cost is that biga factor
Agility
agility to do what?
you are still far less agile than frigs/cepters/af/destroyers/cruseirs/hacs/recons you are just a little more agile than a BS
the domi can field 5 t2 drones and have 10 spare, this crap can only field 4 heavy t2 drones, then the domi can fit 3 heavy nof and hold a MUCH better thank
this ship is stupid, no competant person would use it over the domi
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Vathar
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.27 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog no damage bonus and 5 guns = same DPS as a vexor without drones, ie crappy
sensor damps = useless when using blasters, you might delay locking while getting into range but thats it, and as you have crappy DPS its not a big deal
ecm drones = not that effective
1 rep tank = anything with some DPS will totally own you
so... its more of an 'i-lose' button than anything
You're missing the relock time factor, dampeners+ECM drones = you lose lock, you'll take time to regain it! This fit would be nice 1v1 and enable you to win by attrition, but recons might be a pain, they're fairly resilient to EW! ___________________________________________
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LWMaverick
Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.27 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: starship enginer
Originally by: Flaming sambuka
Originally by: starship enginer why would anyone use this crap ship over the domi??? not like the cost is that biga factor
Agility
agility to do what?
I stopped reading there....
Get some pvp experience please.
Agility means a whole LOT.
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tyrol
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.27 20:52:00 -
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unless its as agile as a nano domi, i dont see much use for it
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.10.27 20:53:00 -
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nanophoon > all others in 1v1 ^^
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Derran
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.27 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi The ship needs a drone bay of at least 150m3, so it can use a full set of heavy drones and have a few spares. Then it will be on the same playing field as the other new BCs.
Um, so why would I want to use a Dominix if the Myrmidon could use 5 heavy drones? Myrmidon will be faster and more agile than a Dominix and if I could use the same amount of drones, I'm not sure why I'd want to use a slow moving dominix.
Originally by: Alex Harumichi ...Ishtar has multiple *waves* of heavy drones *and* a gun damage bonus. Ho hum.
People are actually USING the gun damage bonus? Uh, why? You usually screw your tanking ability when you do because of grid requirements, unless you aren't using any NOS and I don't think any Ishtar pilot is not using NOS on it.
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2006.10.27 20:59:00 -
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imho that thing looks like fun :D
it might not be the completly superior damage dealer and ultimate slayer of light, but what the hell, i bet it will make a fun solo boat annyways :) |
Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Derran
Um, so why would I want to use a Dominix if the Myrmidon could use 5 heavy drones? Myrmidon will be faster and more agile than a Dominix and if I could use the same amount of drones, I'm not sure why I'd want to use a slow moving dominix.
Cap-injecting Blasterdomis are amazing, actually. Plus it can tank way better than a Mrym.
The real question is why use a Mrym over a domi? A bit more agility? Yeah, but so what tbh. Give me a cap injecting, MWDing blasterdomi any day over a Mrym in its current state.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
The real question is why use a Mrym over a domi? A bit more agility? Yeah, but so what tbh. Give me a cap injecting, MWDing blasterdomi any day over a Mrym in its current state.
The other race battlecruisers arent better than their battleships either. Is that really such a surprise? Its a battlecruiser.
Its good for moving around faster than a battleship, and killing cruisers and frigates. And medium turrets hit small things better.
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tyrol
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: tyrol on 27/10/2006 21:17:53
Originally by: Derran
Um, so why would I want to use a Dominix if the Myrmidon could use 5 heavy drones? Myrmidon will be faster and more agile than a Dominix and if I could use the same amount of drones, I'm not sure why I'd want to use a slow moving dominix.
myrmidon only has a 100m3 drone bay doesnt it? thats 4 heavy drones and no spares in its current state
and slow moving domi? whats one of those?
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Cudeiro
Amarr Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:19:00 -
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Nice ship of course, but crappy dronebay for a BC and no dmg mod ,no solo pwnmovile imo. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Flaming sambuka
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:21:00 -
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You guys are missing that with the ecm and sensor damps combines this ship is going to be a monster, it wont matter if your doing crap dps, your enemy is gonna be jammed to hell and back. Itl be just a matter of waiting for you to break there tank and whoever syas 1v1's are deadthere not, nowhere near dead.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 27/10/2006 21:22:27
Originally by: Flaming sambuka (not quite sue if itl 100% fit but along these lines anyway)
That certainly does not fit... one sec --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
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tarin adur
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka You guys are missing that with the ecm and sensor damps combines this ship is going to be a monster, it wont matter if your doing crap dps, your enemy is gonna be jammed to hell and back. Itl be just a matter of waiting for you to break there tank and whoever syas 1v1's are deadthere not, nowhere near dead.
well that is,if you can break there tank with 5 med guns,as ecm drones won't do you any good
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Erotic Irony
RONA Deepspace Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:50:00 -
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What is the sig radius on these new bcs vis-a-vis the tier one bcs? Remember that the large radius and mass/agility of the first tier bcs made them unpopular in the first place...
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Vladimir Norkoff
Crimson Knights Trade Federation Thundering Mantis
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:54:00 -
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LOL... Bunch of dps junkies..
As long as the drones can keep getting jams this set-up would do fairly decent in 1v1.. If the drones ever have a bad string of luck (which will happen) then bye-bye Myrm.. If your opponent cannot inflict any damage, cannot run his tank, and cannot run away, then he is dead.. The only dps you need to worry about is breaking his shield recharge rate, and 5 electrons with decent skills should do that easy.. It might take a hell of a long time to kill the opponent, but you eventually will..
However, if there is a wingman this ship is toast.. If the drones don't jam, this ship is probably toast.. If the opponent uses lots of FoF missiles, this ship is probabaly toast.. If the victim's friends have time to show up, then this ship is toast.. It's not a bad set-up, it's just a very narrowly focused set-up.. One opponent and no bad luck, that's it..
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Zemeckis R
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Posted - 2006.10.27 22:00:00 -
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you cannot fit ions and 3 med nos
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.27 22:27:00 -
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ECM is getting nerfed. You aren't looking at a mini-nos/ecm domi here. Nos maybe, but not much of it.
The best fit I could get in quickfit was 3 med nos and 5 light neutron blasters. No point in using medium guns since there's no hybrid bonus and pg is lacking.
Dual rep tank is nice, but you're not gonna kill anything when the drones pop.
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Benglada
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.27 22:32:00 -
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myrm needs some of its high slots neutered and put into the low slots ---------------------------
Originally by: Arkanor
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Illuminaty
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.27 22:32:00 -
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Myr has a huge sig radius.
Would think that would be an uphill battle if your trying to keep people from locking you, sensor dampers or not.
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Xori Ruscuv
1911 ftw
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Posted - 2006.10.27 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka
Have i overlooked anything? i really see this ship as being as the future solo i win button of eve :D
Yeah, you have overlooked tons of things.
Everyone else here has already said everything I could say. So I'm just going to LOL and move along.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.27 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kruel on 27/10/2006 23:37:55
Originally by: Patch86 Ironically enough, IMO the ideal for a Drone BC would be 4 heavy drones, with spares. Good DPS, free high slots, and some durability. Without spares its not worth flying, and with 5 Heavies it encroaches on Domi territory.
Shame that can't be done, with current mechanics....................
Good point. Maybe it should get a 7.5% bonus to drone damage instead of 10%? That way it could have it's 5 heavies (with spares) but not do the same drone dps as a domi?
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xenodia
Gallente RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.27 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka With the myrmidon having this many slots you can do evil things with it, it has more than enough turrets to make it deadly without drones and then theres the drones and fantastic ew in the mids.
How about something like this (not quite sue if itl 100% fit but along these lines anyway)
Highs: med blasters (ions probably), 3x med nos
meds: mwd, web, scram, 2xsensor dampeners
lows: med rep, dc, 3x active hardeners
drones: heavy n med ECM drones
Now with the ecm drones combined with the 2 sensor damps do you think any enemy 1v1 will get a lock? If so have enough time to do any serious damage? You just blast away with your 5 blasters whilst draining his cap and tanking the measly damage he ever manages to do.
Have i overlooked anything? i really see this ship as being as the future solo i win button of eve :D
ECM Drones kind of suck, unless they get a massive boost in Kali. And the Myrmidon doesnt have enough firepower without drones. Youre better off sticking with combat drones, and hoping the other guy doesnt have a smartbomb.
Myrmidon + smart opponent = defenseless battlecruiser waiting to be ganked after its drones are toast.
The myrmidon desperately needs a bigger drone bay so it can carry more than 1 flight of drones, if its supposed to be a 'drone boat'. For balancing purposes, a damage adjustment might be in order, so that if someone used to bigger bay to field 5 heavy drones, total damage would be the same as it is with 3 heavies and 2 mediums now. That way someone couldnt overpower the thing by running 5 heavy drones.
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